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341  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We need to look at Bitcoin as a company.... on: June 17, 2011, 05:36:17 AM
Every miner is a Bitcoin employee that claims their contributed value through their share of the Bitcoin currency.

Fortunately not true. Everybody has about the same vote independent* of BTC assets.




*) At least in principle. I practice, people with more money could get more computing power. But that doesn't require to be consisting of BTC. So Bill Gates could make a higher vote then all of us, even if he doesn't have a single bitcoin.
342  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My proposal for AllinVain's theft. on: June 17, 2011, 05:07:41 AM
I would accept taking the loss and learning your lesson.

Can we let these drama threads die, please?


Riiiiight...such wonderful advice. How easy for you to say.

Calm down.

1. You put your keys on Dropbox - that alone deserves learning a lesson!
2. You didn't invest money $500k of hard work. You just lost your jackpod.
343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Changing the client code to give allinvain's money back? on: June 17, 2011, 05:03:07 AM

True, never going to happen..but one can argue that this would be like stealing marked bill from a bank. If the police eventually find the criminals and they trace the money to them what you're saying is that it should not be returned to the rightful owner? Is there any morality or legal justice to dealing with bitcoins or should we just treat it as the financial equivalent of the wild west? I see that a lot of you come from a libertarian/anarchistic world view, so I am thinking that in your opinions the only thing that would be just would be the application of vigilante justice, no? Would you all be ok with me stealing them back?



If the police find the criminal(s) it is up to the criminal(s) to reimburse you, not the entire Bitcoin user base.

Of course! I never said otherwise. Why are people even thinking this? Can't people read what I'm typing..



The criminal must be treated as innocent until proven guily.
344  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I think I might have had my BTC stolen? Really need advice on: June 17, 2011, 04:38:39 AM
At least this will do some good:

Waking people up from the delusion that Apple products have any other security value than the jails and chains for their customers.
345  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My proposal for AllinVain's theft. on: June 17, 2011, 04:29:27 AM
*crickets*

Well, it seems you don't really want to see him with his money back after all. However, I guess it's completely fine if it's taken from everybody elses wallet. :\

This is what is wrong with society.



Relax man. I never asked for your bitcoins nor do I want them from you. I have no right to ask or to take them from you. I do have a right to reclaim them from whoever stole them. My private property rights do not end just because you or someone managed to take it without my permission or without proper compensation.

This is NOT what is wrong with society. What IS wrong with society is people not respecting other people's property rights and thinking that as long as they can get away with it it makes it all ok.

Well, the people proposing block chain manipulation sure are proposing theft on a massive scale. That's my main deal.

There are always stupid people. Just tolerate them. The people who think changing the block chain would be a good idea are the last people who could figure out how to do that.

Maybe allinvain can trick them into believing that they are the thieves and send him their money. The evidence would be the same. Smiley
346  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My proposal for AllinVain's theft. on: June 17, 2011, 04:22:52 AM
Here's a solution: learn from it, and protect your damn wallet.

Frist: Don't put unencrypted wallets with 25k on Dropbox.
347  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Predictacoin on: June 17, 2011, 04:20:22 AM
I seriously doubt you could get any good prediction out of it (it is impossible in principle), but try it as long as you have fun.
348  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitcoinBoom.org STEALING WITCOINS on: June 17, 2011, 04:18:42 AM
Yes we can, no we won't. Honestly, we are helping you help us help us all, yeah. Smiley

I didn't intend to suspect anyone, but it's always good to think about possible vulnerabilities and discuss them openly.
349  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the stolen bitcoins currently being sold on mtgox? on: June 17, 2011, 04:13:27 AM
We can 'easily' track stolen coins thru the blockchain, they have been trying hard to split up the money many times.
MtGox could know which coins are stolen but i doubt they would block any exchange with them, after all they profit from the exchange.

Many of the coins are still accounted for in large numbers (at least yesterday)

How do you know the coins were really robbed? I actually believe that they were robbed but how can you be sure so as to try to organize a blockade on somones money?

Because i was one of the people that got robbed...


But even if there was a judge, you couldn't prove anything.

And even if the judge was robbed, too, it only proofs his own case and not the others, and without prove there can be no conviction in a just trial.



It's sad, when a guilty criminal cannot be convicted because of lack of evidence. But the other possible error, a convicted innocent, is way worse. It would mean a unjust corruption of the whole system, a perfect disaster which must not be tolerated.
350  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitcoinBoom.org STEALING WITCOINS on: June 17, 2011, 04:08:57 AM
Can't any forum administrator replace donation addresses by his own ones?
351  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If I had 51% of the networking power a year ago... on: June 17, 2011, 04:07:14 AM
To get four blocks ahead you really need a lot advantage in computing power and still some luck.
352  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what year will a personal computer be able to do 1 Th/s? on: June 16, 2011, 08:44:50 PM
If bitcoin is successful, there will be special hash processors before GPUs reach that mark.

There are crypto cards already, they are just expensive because they are sold in small numbers only. (Nobody needed them at home, but large encrypted websites do.)
353  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Liberty Portal - iOS app for Libertarianism and Austrian economics. on: June 16, 2011, 08:15:48 PM
Libertarians that use the iPad? Are you kidding?

http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad
354  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Has anyone already tried FPGAs instead of GPUs? on: June 16, 2011, 08:14:56 PM
I think you could get a huge advantage in hashrate per energy, but maybe you don't get a high hashrate for a reasonable hardware and work investment.
355  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the stolen bitcoins currently being sold on mtgox? on: June 16, 2011, 05:35:32 PM
You can find out who it was, but you will never prove whether he actually stole the coins or the (maybe pretending) victim sent them to him willingly.
356  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: HOWTO: create a 100% secure wallet on: June 16, 2011, 05:27:26 PM
It is more of an accident that bitcoin got so much media attention in version 0.3.2x - the number should explain everything.

Well, to be fair, that's actually the traditional way opensource programs usually do their numbering: total understatement. If it was a commercial program, you bet they would be at least at version 3 right now.

Yes, but people don't manage millions of dollars with most of the software they use.
357  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitBills successfully cashed on: June 16, 2011, 07:59:19 AM
I don't want a middle man printing me pictures of my money. How can I print them?

Make a new key, send money there, print out the private key, cover it.
358  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: HOWTO: create a 100% secure wallet on: June 16, 2011, 07:17:09 AM
But in theory the client could make the transaction offline by writing it to a transaction file. You could then transport that file to an online computer and send it to the network from there.

Ooh, that would be tits!

I think the devs thought about all of that. Including encrypting the wallet by default, so that backups require only copying the wallet.dat.

It is more of an accident that bitcoin got so much media attention in version 0.3.2x - the number should explain everything.
359  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Simple yet effective advices on wallet security on: June 16, 2011, 07:05:32 AM
The only way a VM can help with bitcoin security is if you do everything inside the VM and only use bitcoin outside the VM.

humorous...

It is true. VMs are designed to protect the host against the guest. Protection in the other direction was never intended and does not exist at all.

It's just security by obscurity. Renaming files does the same job. I wouldn't even call it security. Linus Torvalds would call it masturbation.
360  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitBills successfully cashed on: June 16, 2011, 07:02:15 AM
I appreciate this. I would tip you if there was an address. : D

You see one on the photo. Smiley
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