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341  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: October 24, 2023, 10:03:34 PM
I have absolutely no habit of gambling at work or during working hours because I know that this will have a significant impact on my work performance. In particular, losing money in gambling and losing the last money of a low-income person in gambling, unfortunately, doesn't only have a negative financial impact on the person but also has a very serious negative impact in terms of psychological and morale. For this reason, I definitely don't gamble at work or during working hours in order not to compromise my work performance and efficiency.

Talking about my co-workers I know that at least my co-workers in my close don't gamble during working hours or at work. I don't know whether this is due to a reason like the one I mentioned or whether it is because they don't have a gambling habit because when we chat with these people gambling isn't the subject of our conversations much.
342  Economy / Economics / Re: What does being rich mean in your perspective? on: October 24, 2023, 05:56:37 PM
It's one of question which differs from person to person. How do you define richness?

For me, the definition of being reach wealth is; It is the evaluation style of a person who has gained financial freedom, successfully earns passive income, can buy almost anything they wants, doesn't check the price when purchasing a product/service and has enough savings to continue their life comfortably. Of course, people who meet these criteria but have psychological or health problems are rich only by financial definition.

Maybe it will be a bit of poor literature but apart from material things&money to state the general definition of the word rich for me; I can describe as a happy, knowledgeable, successful and respectful person and who has no health problems. The literal meaning of the word rich becomes real with the inclusion of the financial factors I mentioned at the beginning of my comment.
343  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Binance is Rolling Out Copy Trading? on: October 24, 2023, 02:29:59 PM
did Binance just announce they're finally jumping on the copy trading feature? I mean, kudos to them for catching up, but seriously? Copy trading wasn't a thing on Binance before this? I genuinely thought Binance had this feature ages ago.

But hey, better late than never, right? Now that Binance is stepping into copy trading, I'm curious: Who was actually the trailblazer in bringing this concept to the spot market?


Binance announced that the copy trading feature was activated recently. Although I am someone who doesn't use this feature it was definitely a huge deficiency that an exchange where the world's largest cryptocurrency trading takes place didn't offer this feature while many of its competitors did. For this reason, although it is a late feature I think it would be good for the platform and its users if it was activated late since it never existed.

Although I don't remember the name of the bringing this concept to the spot market that first offered this feature and caused it to be widely used in the market. I remember that it is a feature that has been used by Bingx, PrimeXBT and Kucoin for a long time. Considering that all three platforms I mentioned have a serious power in the cryptocurrency markets, I think that one of these three platforms was the first to offer this feature and cause it to be used so much.
344  Local / Türkçe (Turkish) / Re: Cointelegraph manipülesi on: October 24, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
Açıkçası o kadar çok kaynakta aynı anda etf onayı gördüm ki yanlış olma ihtimalini hiç düşünmeden etrafımdaki insanlar ile paylaştım. Hatta biraz da üzüldüm keşke daha fazla Bitcoin alsaydım dedim kendi kendime. Sonradan baktım ki 30000 doları bulmuşuz düşmüş. Neden böyle yükselmiş de düşmüş diye incelerken olayın manipülasyon olduğunu gördüm. Bu kadar bariz göstere göstere manipülasyon pek olmamıştı. Hani hep lafta kalırdı. Şimdi bariz paralar vuruldu kazanıldı. Piyasa hareketlendi ama.

Birçok kaynakta ETF hakkında onay bilgisi görme sebebimizin Cointelegraph gibi güvenilir(!) bir kaynak tarafından haberin duyurulmuş olmasından kaynaklandığını düşünüyorum. Özellikle böyle bir haberin kesinlikle teyit edilmeden paylaşılmaması gerektiğini de düşünmek gerekirse birçok kaynağın sırf dikkatleri üzerine çekerek sosyal medya hesaplarında bu haber aracılığı ile etkileşim ve web sitelerine de trafik kazanma derdinde oldukları aşikar. Bu manipülasyonun bir gece öncesinde Bitcoin longlasam mı diye analiz yapmış ve olası bir yükselişin mümkün olabileceğini tespit etmiş fakat son zamanlarda biraz para kaybetmiş olmama istinaden işlem açmamıştım. Açıkçası ben de bu durumdan biraz pişman oldum fakat kripto para piyasalarında gerçekleşmesi muhtemel bir kazanç fırsatı kaçmış oldu. Elbet yenisine denk geleceğiz.

Yapılan manipülasyon sonrasında piyasanın ciddi anlamda canlandığını hatta bu manipülasyon sonrasında fiyatların genel olarak yükseliş eğilimi gösterdiğini de deneyimlemiş olduk. Eğer bu fiyat hareketleri de tuzak değil ise ETF haberlerinin gerçekten duyurulması sonrasında bizi çok güzel bir piyasanın beklediğini düşünüyorum.
345  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Changed the game you gamble on? share your story. on: October 24, 2023, 06:30:45 AM
Is it the game you started playing as a gambler that you still play till now? Is there any gambler in this place who was used to playing a particular game before but never was successful winning or did not win enough and then made up their mind that it was time for a change in the game you gamble on. Which game did you change from, and what did you change to? how long did you play the game that you are deciding to stop playing because of the bad outcomes?

I'm someone who generally prefers to gamble with sports betting and slot games which will be different each time. Since I prefer sports betting with mucher than slots I can say that I regularly gamble with sports betting. To talk about my story, unfortunately there is nothing that will change my life in a positive way at least it doesn't end like this.

The year is 2015, when I was a student (at 18). I buy&save Bitcoin with the money I save from my pocket money by doing small jobs on the internet. This way, I had a nice savings and since I got my driver's license I converted all my Bitcoins into cash to buy my first car. However, I left a very small balance of 0.002 Bitcoin in my wallet for gambling and then transferred it to my Cloudbet account. First of all, everything started very well and I started to multiply this amount regularly with sports betting. After a few weeks, I earned 2.15 BTC with sports betting. Because I was winning regularly and had a gambling addiction at the time, a match in live football betting caught my attention. I didn't know either team but the score was 1-1 in the 10th minute. When I checked the betting odds, there was an odds of 1.15 for over 2.5 and since this rate was quite high for the remaining period I thought there might be another goal and placed a bet worth 2 Bitcoins. What was the result? The match ended 1-1 and that would negatively affect my life took place!

I state that this situation negatively affected my life because after this bet (if I won) I was going to withdraw 2 Bitcoins and continue betting with the remaining balance in my account but I couldn't do this. At that time, my only concern was betting regardless of the bet amount. Even though the value of 2 Bitcoins varied between 550-600 USD at the time of this incident, as a real diamond hand I was sure that I would not convert the 2 Bitcoins I earned into cash and that I would save this investment for the long term. This loss resulted in a potential gain of approximately $40,000 on the 2017 bull and a potential gain of $140,000 on the 2021 bull run. Of course, the amount I mentioned might not have helped my life change significantly but maybe today with that money I would own my own business and not be a salaried employee for someone else.

I just checked my Cloudbet bet history to add this bet here but I couldn't add a screenshot because I couldn't find this bet I mentioned because it was too old.
346  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Importance of emotion while trading on: October 23, 2023, 09:56:52 PM
Here are some ways to control these emotions:

1. Don't expect much profit. For example: You think that you will become rich by investing in a coin.
2. After you have invested in a coin, you find that for some reason it has gone down in the market. At this time, without being emotional, you first look at the condition of the token, what condition it is in, and then take a decision with a cool head.
3. Avoid revisiting a coin after investing. You place a sell order with a specific target.
4. Trade according to market conditions. Don't immediately invest in someone's words.
5. Stay calm and try to control temporary emotions.

Definitely, never should open a position with a single cryptocurrency and expect serious profits from this position alone and shouldn't dream of getting rich with just this cryptocurrency. Identifying potentially 3 or 4 TP points by providing technical analysis and gradually closing the position at these points will help to get more efficiency from the position and will help to evaluate opportunities from all price movements that will potentially occur in the short term. In addition, it is very important not to establish individual ties with each position and to minimize potential losses by analyzing the necessary price levels in case of a possible reverse movement and creating an SL order. On the other hand, it is very important not to enlarge the position size without confirmation by technical analysis especially in case of a loss in a position and if these positions are opened with someone else's suggestion it is necessary to support this by doing our own research.

So, it is very important not to act emotionally when trading, not to stick to one position and definitely not to act in a greedy way when detecting important levels such as TP-SL points. It is important to remember that controlling emotions when trading cryptocurrencies is at least as important as the analysis done to determine the trading level.
347  Local / Türkçe (Turkish) / Re: Bitcoin Güncel Durum Sizce Ne Olabilir ETF Sahnesi on: October 23, 2023, 04:42:50 PM
Peki Sizce Bitcoin Yükselmeye Devam Edicek mi ?

Özellikle son birkaç günlük süreç içerisinde finansal piyasalarda oluşan bazı senaryolar ve sahte ETF haberleri neticesinde Bitcoin tarafında güzel bir artış meydana geldi. Her ne kadar bunun bir tuzak yükseliş olup olmadığını anlamak için biraz erken olduğunu düşünüyor olsam da piyasaların her zaman yatırımcı beklentilerinin tersinde hareket ettiğini de unutmamak gerekmektedir. Yani, birçok yatırımcının beklentisinin pozitif olması durumunda elbet fiyat bir noktaya kadar ulaşacak ve ardından piyasanın ters yöne doğru hareket ettiğini göreceğiz. Fakat bunun yorumunu yapmak için biraz daha piyasanın incelenmesi gerektiğini düşünüyorum.

ETF hakkında da bahsetmek gerekirse aslında bu konunun çok uzun zamandır gündemde olması sebebi ile fiyata çok ciddi anlamda bir etkisinin bulunmayacağını düşünüyordum fakat sahte bir haberin bile %8 gibi bir yükselişe sebep olması sebebi ile olası bir gerçek ETF onay haberinin gelmesi durumunda fiyatta artış gözlemleneceğini ve piyasanın yeniden daha canlı bir duruma ulaşacağını düşünmeye başladım. Yine de, doğru olması durumunda bile sonraki ETF haberinin gelmesi sonrasında hemen bir tepki alım süreci olmayabilir ve fiyat bu kadar hızlı artış göstermeyebilir çünkü sahte haber sebebi ile yatırımcıların piyasaya ve anlık haberlere olan inancı biraz azalmış durumda.
348  Economy / Economics / Re: Is there a formula for Bitcoin starters? on: October 23, 2023, 12:20:10 PM
As an experienced investor, I advise someone who is new to Bitcoin and wants to invest in Bitcoin with money that they will not have to use if they absolutely need it. The reason for this is that when making long-term investments, one should not feel the need to use these investments in case of need for money until the targeted profit rate is achieved. I can give an example like this:

For example, let's say you bought Bitcoin today for investment at a price of 30,000 USD and the selling price target is 100,000 USD for a long term plan. If the investment you make today is money that you may need in the coming period it may be necessary to sell Bitcoin below the purchased price level. This means that this long-term planned investment will actually be disrupted by loss sales in the short or medium term. In order to avoid such a situation, as I mentioned, it is very important to invest with an amount or capital that you will not need in the short and medium term. In other words, it is very important not to use the money that may be needed especially if new investments have been made in the cryptocurrency markets. I guess this will be the most important suggestion for someone who has just started investing.
349  Local / Türkçe (Turkish) / Re: Kaldıraçtan uzak durun! Bir Öykü. on: October 23, 2023, 08:50:44 AM
Yorumunuz için çok teşekkür ederim, ancak bunu aynı yoldan geçenler anlar; ben trade ve gençlik hatalarım olmasa çok rahat 28 BTC'me hala sahip, hemde daha da fazlasını sabır ile kazanmıştım. Ne yazık ki zor yoldan öğrendik, başkaları da öyle öğrenmesin belki bir yararımız dokunur gezen ziyaretçi ve ya bu işe yeni girenlere diye bu öyküyü paylaşmak istemiştim. Bu işten kazananlar bu yazıya gülüyordur ancak gün gelir devran döner bu sözlerin kıymetini anlarlar buna ne yazık ki doğa kanunları deniyor.

Meritlicektim; ancak sMerit'im kalmadığım için Meritleyemedim; acınızı bende paylaşıyorum; hep ileri bakmak dışında başka bir çaremiz yok ne yazık ki. Geçmişi hatırlarsak o hırsa tekrar kapılırız ancak siz siz olun;

Kırık vazoyu birleştirmeye çalışırken başka vazolar kırmayın.

Sağlıklar ve güzel geceler dilerim.

Tetaeridanus.

Kesinlikle katılıyorum, yaşamış olduğumuz bu durumu ancak benzer şekilde olay yaşamış birisi tam anlamı ile anlayabilir. Maalesef ki gençlik hatalarımızın şu an bizler için çok ciddi olumsuz etkileri olduğunu hatta bu etkiler sebebi ile günümüzde de içimizde küçük de olsa bir pişmanlık olduğunu görmek açıkçası biraz üzücü bir durum. Umuyorum ki yaşadığımız bu tecrübeler bir başkaları için faydalı olur ve mesajlarımızı gören kimse bizimle benzer hatalar yaparak bu pişmanlığı yaşamaz. Merit konusunda ise canın sağ olsun dostum, şu an bir üst rütbeden uzak olmam sebebi ile benim için aşırı bir anlamı bulunmuyor gibi fakat elbette damlaya damlaya da göl olur. Böyle düşünerek bir üst rütbeye ulaşma hedefinden uzaklaşarak bir de bu konuda pişmanlık yaşamak istemiyorum açıkçası.

Kırık vazo örneğine gelmek gerekirse, kesinlikle katılacağım bir örneklendirme olmuş. Genellikle tutar fark etmeksizin bir işin kötü yola sapmasına sebep olan durum ile yine o işin daha kötü olacağı ihtimalini hiçe sayarak aynı şekilde zararı çıkarmaya çalışmak maalesef hiçbir zaman çözüm olamadı ve olmayacaktır.
350  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the fall of Elon Musk's empire imminent? on: October 23, 2023, 07:00:11 AM
There's a lot of talk that Elon Musk taking on huge loans to buy Twitter could backfire massively on him as Twitter keeps losing value. Essentially what Elon Musk did was to use up most of his assets in terms of stock like Tesla and SpaceX to try and secure assets for his twitter loan. He's now so tied up in this Twitter debt, that if something goes wrong it could trigger a domino of effects. 

So he essentially already pledged tons of money to secure loans to buy Twitter, but his executive decisions lead to massive drops in value. Late last year he posted a lot of Tesla shares to avoid a margin call from banks that had loaned him to buy Twitter but this could potentially mean that if Tesla shares fall in price also, Musk could be losing his empire... Eventually, and potentially if things go wrong, losing his position as CEO in both Twitter as well as Tesla.

What are your thoughts on this? Is Musk about to lose it all?

It shouldn't be forgotten that he is among the top 5 in the list of the richest people in the world and constantly rises to the first place. Of course, he may sell stocks or similar assets and lose money due to his loan but I think it will be unlikely for his empire to collapse due to his current wealth. Moreover, although Twitter isn't a small business he can find a new partner for Twitter or sell it at a loss if it doesn't want companies such as SpaceX and Tesla to be negatively affected by this situation. In addition, it is necessary to take into account the possibility that such a person can work with the best financiers in case he cannot manage such a process himself and can continue on his way with good planning or can restructure his loan debt due to his financial power and assets. So, I think that even in the worst possible scenario he will only lose power and partially assets but he will not completely lose his empire. Of course, it is very difficult to predict the future and to be able to clearly predict what may happen but I don't think that such a person will be in a very difficult situation or completely lose his power. As I mentioned in the worst possible scenario, some power and material loss may occur but he will not lose his empire completely easily.
351  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Stop Trading on: October 22, 2023, 11:14:28 PM
Absolutely, every factor mentioned in the topic is actually important factors about when to stop away from trading. It is very important for mental health to take a break from trading for a while especially in case of consecutive gains, losses or financial difficulties. Additionally, although cryptocurrency markets are open for weekend it is very important not to trade in such situations depending on market conditions either when market conditions are bad or because the transaction volume is low on the weekend. However, when we examine all these factors, it is always necessary to remember that the most important factor among them is;



3) When Emotionally Unstable

Are you angered, troubled, disturbed, or even excited etc. At that point don't engage the market.


It is actually quite difficult to control one's emotions while trading because while the psychology of gain triggers the person to trade more and ambitiously, the psychology of loss causes more transactions to be made in order to compensate for the losses and the amount of loss to increase due to more mistakes is happening. For this reason, although it is a difficult thing, it is very important for a person to learn to control their own emotions especially when trading.
352  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Play equal to deposited funds before you can withdraw on: October 22, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
Who else finds this requirements from casinos BS?

Many online gambling services especially those that accept payments with cryptocurrencies have these or similar rules because the main purpose here is to prevent money smuggling and not allow cryptocurrency transfers to be mixed in this way. Although this situation prevents the person from depositing a certain amount of money and then regretting it and wanting to withdraw this money, unfortunately, it is a precaution taken to prevent malicious people from easily carrying out such transactions especially money smuggling. Generally speaking, although this isn't a serious problem for many people since many gamblers invest as much as the balance they want to spend in gambling, it causes the money deposited into the online casino to not be withdrawn immediately if needed. For this reason, it is necessary to be careful not to deposit too much money into online gambling services or more than the amount to be gambled especially considering the situations in which money may be needed.
353  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your nice hit to leave the casino. on: October 22, 2023, 02:41:10 PM
Just in case, what amount will be looking like a nice hit for you to leave a casino just immediately for maybe your first, second or third hit on the machine as you have just walked in?

As someone who gambles for fun, I have never thought "If I win this much, I can stop" before gambling. In particular, I'm a gambler who focuses on consuming my entire budget for gambling in general and I don't set a level to stop myself in case of a possible win. Since I never plan when I will stop after making a good winnings in gambling I think that this situation will generally vary depending on my psychology at that moment and my satisfaction level after gambling. Of course, since my budget for gambling in general isn't over the two-digit amount if I get a win in the late three-digit numbers or in the four-digit numbers I will finalize my decision to quit the machine but in such a case, I will withdraw a balance in the range of 80-90% in cash depending on that win and I think I will satisfy my desire to gamble by continuing to gamble with the remaining balance.

In short, although I never have a specific winning target before gambling, I think that in case of a possible high win I will convert a large amount of my balance into cash and continue gambling with the remaining amount. So, especially in the case of a possible high profit due to the fact that I am gambling for fun I don't think that I will definitely stop gambling and leave the table/machine if I haven't satisfied my gambling desire yet.
354  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How often is your luck in gambling? on: October 22, 2023, 09:16:12 AM
I am not lucky in lottery or any gambling casinos but way back in 2017 the only luck I encountered was I gambled with the risk of joining bounty hunting on this forum and it is worth it.

How about you guys, are you having a good fortune on your gambling career? Do you ever think of quitting after you won a jackpot?

Unfortunately, I have never been lucky enough to win a jackpot or thousands of times the amount I gambled. In addition, in cases where I generally made profits between 10 and 100 times, I achieved such winnings when my balance was close to zero and for this reason I could never earn more than a few times the balance I attributed to gambling. This applies both for a single bet and for situations where I cannot double my balance several times after several bets.

To answer the question in the quote;

Gambling isn't something from which one can have a career or earn regular income in any way. On the contrary, it is an activity that can seriously harm oneself financially and psychologically if one cannot control one's emotions and desires. For this reason, I don't think that I have or will have any kind of career in gambling in the future. This is not just something that applies to me, it is something that applies to everyone. Moreover, I don't think that many gamblers (including me) will stop gambling if they earn high amounts of winnings or multiply their money several hundred times. Gambling is a habit and even if there is no addiction many individuals feel the need to gamble at certain intervals. For this reason, if I increase my money several hundred times by gambling or earn a high amount of winnings I will of course use the money I have earned to live a more luxurious life but I will continue to gamble for fun. I don't think that someone who has gambled one or more times can quit gambling for the rest of their life even if they aren't addicted.
355  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your doubt has no effect on gambling. on: October 22, 2023, 06:56:48 AM
Isn't this the reason why gambling is actually beautiful, enjoyable and exciting? Making predictions based on the odds, considering the potential to win several times the bet amount and always following the preferred options for betting in an action-packed way until the last minute conclusion. In fact, although it sounds like a sweet excitement when I say it this way but gambling is a very risky method of fun and potential profit. In order to win money in gambling you always have to risk some money and complete the exciting waiting period. This causes gambling to create certain expectations and excitement in the person.

The most important factor in gambling is that a person learns to control their own emotions within the framework of a certain discipline. For example, winning 49 USD with a bet of 0.13 USD is a great success but the self-confidence that this gain will create and the desire to earn more need to be controlled. Otherwise, the money earned will be consumed by gambling again. On the other hand, in gambling choices are always made to take higher risks in order to gain more profit and to minimize the chances of possible gain. The important factor here is that the person makes the best use of these high odds bets by controlling his/her own balance correctly.

In summary, gambling is a risky hobby and potential earning method that requires a person not to act out of fear but to be able to control their emotions. If money is not risked in any way in gambling no profit can be made.
356  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ? on: October 21, 2023, 02:53:52 PM
is there any safe ways out there to get 10-15 % ANY return rate ?

as far as banks i noticed maximum 5 %

crypto exchanges upto 15 %   - but are they safe to put money there ? like nexo , kucoin ?

No investment or financial instrument is ever completely safe. Every investment carries its own risks and the higher this risk rate the higher the return will be. For example, if we don't consider the recent banking crises, the probability of banks going bankrupt is generally quite low and therefore it isn't easy to obtain high returns from deposit interest but especially a newly established cryptocurrency exchange is very likely to go bankrupt and for this reason in order to obtain more funds it isn't easy to obtain high returns. It provides income through higher deposit interest.

On the other hand, if we look especially at countries with high inflation we can see that government banks gives lower deposit interest compared to private banks because they are less likely to go bankrupt. Even though both businesses are banks, there will be a difference in the risk-reward ratio due to the risk factor created by both banks. That is, in this case, although it is the same investment type the deposit return will not carry exactly the same risk.

In summary, there has never been and will never be a financial instrument or investment that can provide a sure and guaranteed profit. The amount of return obtained from investments varies entirely depending on the risk rate it can potentially provide.
357  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: October 21, 2023, 12:09:17 PM
The moment when you hit that big win. Do you cash out and savor your victory, or do you continue playing in hopes of even bigger winnings?

My decision making during this process actually varies depending on when I earn the bigwin. If I have made such a bigwin during the period when I have just started gambling and I'm not yet satisfied, I usually convert the winning amount into cash and continue gambling with the budget I set at the beginning. In another case, if I have gambled enough to satisfy myself and made this bigwin, I usually continue gambling for only a short time and withdraw my entire available balance.

Finally, if I have reached almost zero in my starting balance and made a big win at this point, I usually continue gambling with this win. The main reason for this is that since I gambled for fun, I started gambling by taking the risk of losing my initial budget and my balance reached almost zero and then reached the starting level again. That is, if I still want to gamble when that gain is realized I still prefer to consume that gain by gambling. Of course, it seems like a more logical choice to keep this balance to satisfy my desire to gamble in the future in case my balance which reached almost zero with a big win after gambling for a long time, reaches the starting level again.
358  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the need to be known a requirement to qualify for a loan(s)? on: October 21, 2023, 09:23:10 AM
There are many platforms where money can be borrowed and given anonymously with cryptocurrency collateral or NTF collateral and it is possible to do this within the forum. All these platforms I mentioned generally don't request user information but do require a collateral for the money to be borrowed. Of course, in the absence of personal information and proof of income it is necessary to provide collateral to obtain a loan.

Nowadays, many financial institutions and banks require both personal information and a guarantee in return for the debt before lending money. This is very important to provide assurance that the borrower will be able to repay the loan. However, when we examine the platforms where we can borrow using cryptocurrencies, we can see that usually only a collateral is requested for the amount to be borrowed and no personal information is requested. This is necessary so that both the intermediaries and the lender can guarantee themselves that they can safely borrow money completely anonymously and prove that the debt can be repaid.

When we examine the platforms (including the forum) where loans can be taken against cryptocurrencies and NFT collateral, we can see that full anonymity is ensured and no identification or similar document is required. Other than that, platforms that request both collateral and personal information are no different from typical financial institutions as they are absolutely contrary to the mission of blockchain technology.
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