medyo naguluhan lang ako nung una kasi walang exact price ang LISK. Everyday ko tinitignan nun ung exchange ko at nababawasan yun. Lately ko na lang narealized na ung makukuha nila sa ICO ang magdedetermine sa price nya. Ibang iba kasi ito sa mga ICO na binilhan ko, so sana naman ay hindi na ako malulugi netu. haha

Ang isa pang nagpapagulo sa akin ay ito:
Kung walang predetermined na price ng lisk, at ito ay maaaring maging 10 or 20 sat lang after ICO, dont the lisk team think na lugi naman yung mga miner nyan kasi 5 lisk lang per block ang reward? How did they determined then yung reward per block?


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atm, around 3k sat na lang yata (?) per lisk? please correct me if I'm wrong


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so, okay I find this

if this is the case, I think buying lisk won't even be considered as an investment but a mere exchange ,don't you think so?

okay lang din naman na sabihin nila na mag-sorry sya. But the fact na sabihin pa ni Pnoy na
is clearly a ploy of dirty politics. It clearly show further how they are too desperate to destroy Leny's opponent.
With this kind of logic, Pnoy himself has a lot to say sorry too.
Mamasapano
Mendiola massacre and
Hacienda Luisita masscre among others.

haha. sana nga. Ang magagawa lang natin ay umasa na sana maging okay ang lisk.
Nga pala, nadownload mo yung passphrase at lisk addy mo? Reminder lang boss baka nakalimutan mo. hehehehe

Edit:
Ang laki na ng investments sa lisk.
867 BTC at 25233555 XCR na. hahaha. magkano na lang magiging halaga ng lisk na nabili ko neto. pero sana naman ay huwag maging 1k sat.

Networking or MLM was never been profitable in any circumstances. I have tried some before, did my best to recruit my own downline to the point that I'm the one paying for their membership fee and in exchange, I'll be the one to get those freebies supposedly for my new recruit. I have a notion before that as long as you work hard, you can achieve its promises. i.e. Financial Freedom, Working at Home, Be your own boss, etc. etc. But I was wrong. I can say, indeed, that Networking/Mlm's promises are all lies.

This are my reasons:

1. Networking works with a business model that gives incentives to your upline up to the nth level. Only those who joined the bandwagon early are making profits out of your hardwork.

2. You can only attain financial freedom out of Networking if you ever attain the level of distributorship. The sad thing is only 1% of any given Networking member can ever attain that level. Of course, you may say that you can attain that with hard work, but did you know that there are those who joined before you doing the same thing?

3. The "natural prospects" of any Networking/MLM members are immediate family and friends. IMO, this is not a healthy way of doing business as this could lead to some irreversible damage in your relationship with them if anything goes wrong.

4. The prices of any Networking/MLM  products (if there are any) are way too expensive that it's not even practical to use. Of course, if you belong to "can afford" family, there's no problem with that but you might have a hard time recruiting downlines.

5. The promise of Networking/MLM that you can be your own boss while working at home doesn't exist per se. In a sense, you are working with them. You are the one doing the hard work while they are lining up their pockets.

6. Networking/MLM are all pyramid scam scheme in disguise of selling products. More often than not, its always the members that purchase the products thinking that they may take a profit in the form of commissions/discounts but in reality, you even paid higher that what is supposed to be.


The above list are all my own opinion and I don't want to influence you with it. You and you alone can make the decision if you still want to join such business model. I can only say, Good luck!

naks, nakakatuwa naman at natuto ka din mag-trade.
Tama, kung mababa ngayon, hold mo lang muna. Hindi ka naman siguro nagmamadali na mag-CO db?

Pag kampante kana sa trading skill mo, try mo naman ang btc/usdt sa polo din.

Investing on bitcoin with just a meager amount wont make you rich in the long run even the price goes to the moon. Lets say you just bought 1 btc for $400 and when the price goes up to like $1,000 or even $2,000 per btc, it wont even have an effects on your fortune.

One way of another, tama ka sir. But to set things right, kung hindi ka magbebenta ng palugi at hindi mo naman hinahabol ang price fluctuations, kikita ka talaga sa trading. Kaya huwag nyo gayahin na sumasakay sa mga maliliit na price movements. hehehe.

Sa ginagawa ko kasi ay masasabi kong maganda ang profit pero kaakibat nun ay malaking risk.


I won't advise you to start with 1 btc kung mgayon ka pa lang susubok na magtrade. You can start with 0.001 on other exchange sites and 0.01 kung sa btc-e ka susubok. You could always add on your trading fund kung nagamay mo na yung exchange site na sasalihan mo.

Again and again, I'm a Day Trader. I trade on a daily basis while riding the volatility of bitcoin's price.

There's a big difference between a day trader and speculator. The later buys btc when the price is low and sells it when the price goes up. For clarification, I'm not that kind of trader.

Kung speculator ka kasi, mahina ang profit dyan but its fool proof. I have to ask you this, are you willing to sell your btc for a $3 to $5 profit? If not, you're more like an speculator rather than a trader.

I'm the former. I take profit from even the smallest price movements.

EDIT: By doing that, I risk lossing from sudden big price movement.

(Now I'm beginning to sound like a pirated cd. It would help if you guys were to read the whole conversation since your last read from this thread and not just the latest post.
Peace)

Oo matagal din. May mga time din kasi na natatalo ako sa mga trades ko. Tama ka din sa sinabi mo na mas maganda kung malaki na ang trading fund mo para mas malaki din ang profit. But for those who are just beginning, it's not advisable to go big. Just like gambling, only trade what you can afford to lost.

Like what I've said, I never spent a single satoshi from my trading profit since I started. If don't re-invest it, I transfer it to my wallet.

Nung nag-umpisa ako magtrade, I started with 1.5 btc sa poloniex. From there, napalago ko naman sya but it took me about half a year to double it. I then spread my funds into btc-e and now yobit since I started on their campaign but majority of it ay nasa btc-e for faster returns kasi malaki trading volume dun.

For altcoins, majority ay nasa polo but I slowly shifting my funds papunta sa yobit.

I consider trading as gambling but unlike gambling that has house edge, in trading you as trader has that edge. It only depends on you how to play it and make that works in your favor.

Pwede naman. But then again, I would be stuck with my coins while waiting for the price to go up and that would mean an additional losses for me.

One could always wait for a higher price before selling hence the "Buy low, sell high." became a mantra of traders but this would  mean that you stop on trading indefinitely while waiting for a higher price. If you are into day trading, this won't work as you are chasing even the smallest price movements just to take some profits.

I was forced to sell ng mas mababa sa kung magkano ko binili para hindi ako mai-stuck sa mga sell order ko.
I'm into day trading kasi kaya kung sa tingin ko ay pababa na ang price ay nagbebenta ako ng palugi para na din makasakay ako sa paunti-unting pag-taas at pagbaba ng price.
Imagine, kung hindi ako nagbenta ng palugi eh di na-stuck na ako sa $440 sell order.

Ngaun, kung hindi ka naman day trader, wala kang talo kasi magbebenta ka lang pag tumaas na ang price. Pero sa ganitong klase ng trade ay mahina ang kita. Nasa $5 to $8 lang kasi ang galaw ng price. At yang wave na yan ang sinasakyan ko para kumita.

Magandang tanong yan.

For me, hindi ko sinasagad lahat. I always make sure na 30% ng trading fund ko nasa usd at btc.
This is to make sure na may funds akong pambili and/or ibebenta for a sudden big price jumps. Also, I have "stand-by" funds that I could tap easily in case that price move further.

On top of that, I like to spread my buy and/or sell order to 50%, 30%, 15%, 5% for me to make profit on all advances.

But there are instances that I have to cut my losses and have to sell my coins at a much lower price than how much I purchase it para hindi ako ma-stuck on my sell positions.

I lost around $40 on the first part of this week dahil sa flashcrash but was able to gain it back and even made some profit.

The key here is you should know how much you are willing to loss in order to make profit for bitcoins' volatility.

(May pinasok lang akong typo error, hehe)

Yun nga, mas mararamdaman mo talaga na kumikita ka sa trading kung hindi nagagalaw ung trading funds mo. Kaya para sa mga nagbabalak na pasukin ang trading, dapat mag-set aside lang kayo ng funds para sa trading lang talaga. For a start, it's not necesarily big amount, 0.01 would do if you are just starting then gradually add if you are already  certain that you already know what you are doing. Just keep in mind that the golden rule in trading is "Buy low, sell high."

Nagstart ako magtrade sa mga altcoin particularly doge. Then nag-shift ako to BTC/USD nung magamay ko na ang galawan sa mga trading/exchange sites na sinalihan ko. Mula nung magstart ako magtrade, never pa akong nag-CO. But every now and then, I transfer my profits sa wallet ko. I guess I'm just being paranoid in keeping all my btc sa mga trading sites. We'll never know when anything goes wrong. It's best to play it safe.

one way or another that sounds good. But that is not sure way to be rich because we are not certain what could be the future of bitcoin.
But if you have the money to buy 100 btc, I think its best to invest that amount to a more solid investments and start reaping profits without waiting for 10 more years.

It doesn't matter what strategy you are doing in trading as long as you are making profit. But of course, trading is not always a win-win situation. If your trade doesn't go the way you are expecting, acknowlege what went wrong and learn from it. There is no fix system to trade for profit. The market is always changing, so does your trading strategy. The rule of the thumb tho is you must know when to sell to cut your losses.

sa first day lang ng ICO ako bumili para makuha ko ung bonus. hehe

Sana nga hindi ako matalo this time. Ang dami ko na kasing coins na nabili from ICO at masasabi ko talaga na ang laki na ng lugi ko dyan.

Anyway, ganyan lang naman talaga. Pero umaasa ako na makakabawi din ako at sana itong LISK na ang sagot.

para sa mga hindi maiwasan ang mag-CO, I suggest na huwag nyo muna pasukin ang trading. Dapat kasi hindi nagagalaw ung trading funds nyo para hindi kayo mapwersa na magbenta ng palugi. Tama ung sabi ni @agustina na hiwalay dapat ung trading funds at ung profit lang ang ginagalaw.

Now that you've said it, I'm slowly lossing confidence for the price to hold over 400. Like what @randy8777 said, it's sad to see the price at sub-400.
I can only hope that it wont go down further and for the mean time, I will try to take profit from small advances.