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3421  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 02:53:18 PM

Nice work!
3422  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 02:46:38 PM
Who can create these "accounts"? How are they created? How are they implemented in the Nxt core?

Anyone will be able to create an AT (its creation is just going to be a "new type" of Nxt transaction).

It is likely we'll make it optional for forgers to "do" AT (at least for parallel chains) but for nodes that do they will need to "validate" an AT creation tx and then "execute" the machine code (and save the state as another "injected" tx).

Execution of each AT will be part of "verification" by all AT processing nodes (so nodes can't *cheat* with the *state* as those blocks will end up being rejected).
3423  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
If I can sell shares for my working hours, I am happy. Like a voucher for this: http://work4nxt.com

Personally I prefer "completed tasks" to hours (which is why I created CIYAM Open) - the problem with "hours" is that people can spend those just chatting or watching YouTube vidoes.

I envision that the way many of us ending working in the not too distant future is going to be much more like the CIYAM Open model (as it is far more efficient to "get results").
3424  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 02:09:15 PM
rofl. Nope, this is like Chinese, sorry Cheesy (yeah, I know you live in China Cheesy )

We need somethink like - with AT, you can pay sheep for the farmer in Bangladesh or a computer for the school in Zimbabwe

Grin

Fair enough then - with AT you can safely trade 1 Asset for another, with AT you can safely lock your savings away while earning interest and with AT you can buy a ticket every week in what will be arguably the world's most efficient lottery!
3425  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 02:00:39 PM
Is there a non-dev explanation of the whole AT thing?

You can think of it has "being able to write contracts" - an AT will have basically all the characteristics of an "account" (so can send AMs and trade Assets, etc.) *but* this account is a "program" rather than a human being.

Thus - if you can read its code (or get someone you trust to check that for you) it can act as a 3rd party which "can't cheat" (I imagine someone will end up offering a service to *validate* ATs and *insure* them in the future to make it easier for non-tech people to use them).

They are perfect for things like "atomic cross chain transfers" and for things like trading Assets for other Assets without the need for complicated external infrastructure or "trusted 3rd parties".

Hope that makes it a "little clearer".
3426  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
This issue is a non-issue as an AT with the ability to be sent Assets and to send Assets itself can easily act as a trustless trader between two parties.

Let's say that we have two account holders one who has ABC shares and one who has XYZ shares and let's say that those two users want to make a deal where for each 1 ABC sent and 2 XYZ sent the AT will then send the shares back to the other guy (if this doesn't happen by a "timeout" period then shares are returned).

Once established this AT can now "run forever" allowing those two account holders to trade ABC for XYZ shares at 1:2 (if later they decide to "change" the rate then this could be done via AM that needs to be sent by both users).

When you start to see what becomes possible through ATs you will begin to realise that there is simply no need to be doing other changes to the "core" of Nxt.
3427  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NXT] Decentralized Asset Exchange Discussion Thread on: March 21, 2014, 10:00:59 AM
Maybe via AT.

Yes - we are going to have to consider a few things about how AT and AE will interact to help with the above and with other things to do with the creation of a DAC.
3428  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 07:12:15 AM
Maybe people need to realize that AT is coming. That means NXT will have Turing machine capability. That means nobody can stop me from doing whatever I come up with. I will do what I can to turn NXT into a platform.

Indeed the things that will be possible once we have AT in place are rather mind blowing.
3429  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 06:56:02 AM
I am having to create milliBTC and microBTC assets. A single transfer of 1.234567 BTC would create 1 BTC asset, 234 milliBTC and 567 microBTC assets.

Sure - display issues though are easily enough handled by clients.

I think we should consider raising the upper limit so that your problem will be easily solved via UI - technically there is no reason that the upper limit can't be that of a 64 bit integer (keeping in mind that Java doesn't do *unsigned*).
3430  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 06:48:32 AM
So, simply said, all trading in AE is ALLWAYS in NXT; if you trade asset <-> asset you are actually settling off-AE

Yes - although with an appropriate AT set up for it the experience would actually be that you send Assets to the AT and then it sends you back the Asset being traded (so you send say Microsoft and get back Google).

Part of AT creation would include providing the appropriate "ratio" of such cross-trades as well as "limits".
3431  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 06:45:29 AM
In regards to the "limit" of Asset quantity I think we could consider making it much bigger than 1B.

Having "fractional" amounts is just not going to make sense in general but at the "client side" you could decide to show a "decimal" point somewhere if you wanted to.
3432  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 06:09:34 AM
As long as I am able to do it, I dont really care the exact method.
I didnt realize AT would be able to do asset operations, all I saw was send money
will also be able to write AM?

Yes - my use cases already include AMs and it should be straight forward for an AT to deal with Assets.
3433  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 21, 2014, 06:00:53 AM
Transfer of X qty of Asset A for Y qty of Asset B should be able to be done safely and atomically by an AT down the track so I don't think we should be considering any *core* changes for that.

Also parallel chains with atomic transfers via AT will be likely added.
3434  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 20, 2014, 04:07:17 PM
Yes understood.  With that being said, we need to encourage devs to help CIYAM on those projects as well as allocate an unclaimed Nxt bounty for the completions of these projects to CIYAM.  The dev committee needs to address this please.

Also - one forum member has stated he is working on translating my C++ prototype into Java (although he hasn't signed up to CIYAM or placed a "dib").

I think that the committee will need to work out *how* they want to approach the issue of funding tasks (whether it be by CIYAM Open or by a more traditional "contract").

JL has expressed concerns about this also (in terms of potential *legal* problems).
3435  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 20, 2014, 03:56:42 PM
Probably my posts stating that you need Java help with AT and Parallel Blockchain projects.  Just to clarify, are you getting bounties for these projects and will you distribute Nxt for Java developers help on these projects?  If not, we should allocated unclaimed for this.

My "role" in the Nxt project is that of an "independent consultant" - the only "funds" I control are those that have been donated to the Nxt AT project on CIYAM Open. That does not function as an "employer" in any traditional sense but is a task based system where people "put in dibs" for a task that has a BTC "reward" (closer to say a "freelancer" model).

If anyone who has donated funds to the project is unhappy with this then they can just send me a signed message (using Bitcoin) to prove that they owned at least one of the addresses said funds came from and I will happily refund them.
3436  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 20, 2014, 03:43:45 PM
Just to let Java programmers know that I am "not hiring" (it appears some miscommunication might have happened) so please don't PM asking me "for a job" as I am not in a position to offer that.

(sorry if that has caused any trouble for people)
3437  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 20, 2014, 06:21:32 AM
My comments regarding "price" were not intended as "speculation" (but seemingly have been interpreted that way).

The market will decide "how much NXT is worth" and that value will be mostly determined because of the usefulness of the platform.

Perhaps people might consider "quoting this post" instead of the other but of course people are only going to quote what suits them.
3438  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 19, 2014, 05:59:10 PM
Wesley updated today to 0.8.11. Your issue is probably related to the fork:

Yes - it will take a while for this to "settle" (as any such change will).
3439  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 19, 2014, 05:35:16 PM
Lower fees would offer more utility to the AE. More people would be able to use it for more things.

Fees are always going to be a "political" issue - personally I think that the fee should be kept "high" as we don't want to *encourage* scams.
3440  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 19, 2014, 04:14:08 PM
These two ideas are trying to decentralize the score reporting portion, so that payouts can be automated without trusting a 3rd party to correctly report the scores.

The main problem is "how do you trust" the chains reporting?

Basically "block chain tech" can only accurately report on "other block chains".
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