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3421  Economy / Exchanges / Re: VIRWOX scam ? on: December 30, 2012, 10:27:03 PM
hamdi, spamming your reflink makes no sense here,
he already has a VirWox-account anyway and already knows how to use it.
3422  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Newbie] Mining for BitCoins on: December 30, 2012, 10:22:47 PM
Well, as i said,
if it's the plan to upgrade to that new MB/PSU/4cards with the coins you get from the first card (a dollar a day), it'll take a hell of a lot of time.
Not to mention that the difficulty will skyrocket once the first ASICs ship, then  you won't even get a dollar a day with 4 of those cards, you'll only make pennies a day.

Nothing wrong with doing it for fun, especially if you buy that hardware anyway to please your gaming needs.
3423  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Newbie] Mining for BitCoins on: December 30, 2012, 10:04:17 PM
Hello Pezi and welcome to the Bitcoin-World.

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I plan on using my BitCoins for personal use; upgrading and obtaining more hardware.
You should be aware that you probably won't make a lot of coins at all.
With a single one of those 7950 Video-Cards, you might get something around 500-600MH/s,
at current difficulty that would net you <0.1BTC or ~$1.3 per day.
Taken into account that you plan on using that machine for entertainment too, it'll be even less, that's less than a dollar a day. It'll take you like forever to upgrade to anything.  Wink

Not saying you shouldn't do it, but do it for fun, not for the money.
3424  Economy / Exchanges / Re: VIRWOX scam ? on: December 30, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
I've been trading on Virwox for about 3years now and there's not much i can complain about.

Sure, that "manual step" they do when you withdraw your money is a bit inconvenient and might take some time, but you'll get your money.
Sure, the fees are high, but it works and is still way cheaper than at their competitors (on the SLL-Market).

I made a 500$ Linden purchase on Second Life. ..... During that time Second Life thought my order was suspicious and decided to put my account on hold, and actually requested my Bitcoins back from Virwox where they exchanged it back down to Lindens.

That's the main problem when dealing with SLL,
don't ever accept any SLL in-world if you don't know and fully trust the seller!

You simply don't know if it's "fraudulent lindens". When someone pays you lindens in SecondLife, they can be "fake", or stolen, or whatever LindenLabs decides, it's their money, not yours. They can do whatever they want and they will do it.

But,
all that is a problem of SecondLife and LindenLabs, not VirWox.
It's the reason why that inconvenient "manual step" is required, even VirWox can't know for sure, if those lindens they receive from users are "fraudulent" or not. If LindenLabs decides to remove those funds, they can and will.
3425  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My open letter to Bitcoin Foundation on: December 29, 2012, 10:10:07 PM
I only ask to do this only with centralized services of Bitcoin..
You ask to do this to centralized services only, but aren't they all centralized?
Tell me about one service that isn't.  Smiley
3426  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My open letter to Bitcoin Foundation on: December 29, 2012, 09:31:43 PM
some of the BF board members are also operators of high profile Bitcoin services

That's exactly what i thought.
It's the owners of those businesses you want to be forced/verified/whatever that are also board-members of the Foundation,
so what you ask for is, that they control and verify themselves.

Doesn't really make much sense to me.
3427  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: An example of why you probably don't want to waste your time on "johnniewalker" on: December 29, 2012, 10:29:29 AM
This is why you should probably accept escrow.

Well, if i get it right, this is not actually about accepting escrow or not,
it's about the seller changing his mind.
First he accepts the deal to "test the waters", later he changes his mind and offers escrow. And then he doesn't even admit he changed his mind, denies that he ever did.

Besides that he wonders in what world people blindly send stuff, but at first wanted the buyer to blindly send coins upfront.

Pretty strange that is.  Grin
3428  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you think othercurrencies like LTC/ frei, will pick up steam like BTC has? on: December 29, 2012, 05:14:36 AM
I doubt that, at least not in a near future.
3429  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: bitcoin question from NEWbie. on: December 28, 2012, 09:04:48 PM
Same people as today, miners.
Even when all bitcoins are mined we still need people to create new blocks to store transactions.
It's just that they don't get any newly created coins as a reward, they'll get the transaction-fees instead.
3430  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: shares, confirms etc. on: December 27, 2012, 09:31:55 PM
Kann sein, daß der GUIminer intern Hashes für lower-difficulty mitzählt, ich hab den schon ewig nichmehr benutzt.
Etwas sinnbefreit wäre eine solche Zählung aber schon, da sie rein garnichts aussagt, entweder ziehst Du ein Gewinn-Los, oder nicht. Ob das nun (mit 600MH/s) nach 250 Tagen, oder nach 3Mio Zähleinheiten passiert, kann Dir ziemlich egal sein. Wink

Davon abgesehen ist solo nicht wirklich ratsam, wenn Du nicht mindestens 10GH/s aufbringen kannst und selbst dann solltest Du damit umgehen können, mal 4-8Wochen garnichts für die geleistete Rechenarbeit zu bekommen.
 
3431  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: PPS calculation for MtRed vs other pools on: December 27, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
A share on a pool is nothing else than a winning-hash on the real network, just with a lower difficulty (usually 1, but with more efficient/faster hardware, pools tend to raise the difficulty).

On a diff-1 pool and a network-diff of currently ~3mio, the pool needs about 3mio shares on average to find a block,
if the pool changes its difficulty from 1 to 2, it only needs about 1.5mio of those diff-2 shares to find a block and each of those diff-2 shares would earn twice the reward of a diff-1 share, nothing changes, except for the bandwidth usage.
3432  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: shares, confirms etc. on: December 27, 2012, 09:00:51 PM
Nein und nein.  Grin

Wenn Du solo unterwegs bist, gibts keine shares.
Ein share ist nur ein "Winning-Hash" mit Diffculty 1 (oder auch 2, oder mehr, je nach Konfiguration des Pools),
solo suchst Du nach einem "Winning-Hash" mit Difficulty 3Mio.

Und bei meiner Vermutung bezüglich ecki geht es nicht darum, daß er erst nach gelösten Block bezahlt, das macht jeder nicht-PPS-Pool so,
sondern darum, das er den gelösten Block erst bezahlt, nachdem 120 weitere Blöcke gefunden wurden.
Das hat nichts speziell mit ecki zutun, sondern ist system-bedingt, auch wenn Du solo arbeitest, musst Du nachdem Du einen Block gelöst hast noch 120 weitere Blöcke warten, bis der von Dir gelöste Block bestätigt wurde und Du den Reward gutgeschrieben bekommst.
3433  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: shares, confirms etc. on: December 27, 2012, 08:19:10 PM
Bei einer Difficulty von 3Mio braucht man im Schnitt 3Mio difficulty-1-shares um einen Gewinner zu finden.
Ein PPS Pool kann Dir daher etwa ein 3Mio-nstel des zu erwartenden Block-rewards (-poolfees) pro share bezahlen, trägt dabei allerdings das Risiko, das er mehr als 3Mio shares kaufen muss, um tatsächlich einen Block zu finden (wobei dieses Risiko durch die poolfee abgedeckt ist, bzw sein sollte).

Zu ecki kann ich nicht wirklich was sagen, da ich seine Dienste nie genutzt habe,
könnte mir aber vorstellen, daß er den Block-Reward erst ausbezahlt, wenn der entsprechende Block auch bestätigt wurde, was erst nach weiteren 120Blocks in der Blockchain (~20Std.) der Fall ist.
3434  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: PPS calculation for MtRed vs other pools on: December 27, 2012, 07:40:03 PM
I never used Mt.Red, but it's PPS,
so it might just be, that the difficulty of accepted shares on it is 2 while it is 1 on other pools.

At least that would explain the difference, you only get half the shares, but twice the reward.
3435  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Public Notice: Bitcoincentral.com on: December 27, 2012, 07:28:45 PM
I see both sides, but honestly, it was a dick move to sell the domain to anyone but Bitcoin Central.  You KNOW it will be used for phishing.  You KNOW some Bitcoin users will be scammed by this.  And yet you do it anyway, all for a thousand bucks.  Hope you're happy with it and can still sleep at night, anyway...

If I'd sold it for the price davout wanted then I'd be down around $20 now.

What would have seemed fair to me would have been your actual costs +50%, something like that.

How does your actual costs +50% (or something like that) bring you down $20?
3436  Other / Off-topic / Re: Foundation Idea on: December 26, 2012, 11:00:31 PM
All i get is *FUD to the extreme*
You mentioned that now a couple of times, but maybe,
just maybe...you should read what people post,
because that *FUD to the extreme* statement you're so upset about wasn't even pointed at you.

So better calm down a bit.

Besides that you act like it were a proven fact that DCA is helpful at all, which is untrue,
here's for example what the american cancer society has to say about it:
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DCA has been tested in humans on a small scale for rare diseases of metabolism (energy production), but has recently shown some promise in the lab for cancer treatment. This has led some people with cancer to try taking DCA on their own. DCA is known to cause nerve and liver damage, as well as some other side effects. It may also be able to cause cancer in humans, but that has not been proven.

At this time, clinical trials (studies on human volunteers) have just been started to find out if DCA might be helpful against cancer. No human studies have been completed yet, so it is unclear how or whether it might help, or what the proper dose might be.

Can't find anything about very high success rates on humans at all,
so whats your sources? Maybe you should show some of them, instead of just mentioning something you read, heard, or viewed on a youtube-video and take it for real.
3437  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Was passiert, wenn der Block Reward noch weiter sinkt? on: December 23, 2012, 07:54:59 PM
Du gehst in deiner Betrachtung davon aus, dass die User bereit sind, höhere Gebühren zu zahlen (in Fiat, nicht in BTC).
Nein, ich gehe in meiner Betrachtung nur davon aus, daß es wesentlich mehr Transaktionen geben wird (die Blöcke sind ja heute nichtmal ansatzweise voll) und das praktisch keine Transaktionen mehr ohne Gebühr versendet werden.

Bis die Gebühren den Reward überholen, dauert es ohnehin noch einen ganze Weile,
sollte das System tatsächlich solange überleben, wird es auch eine ganze Reihe Dienstleister geben, die ein Interesse daran haben, das System weiterhin funktionsfähig zu halten und schon allein deshalb Mining betreiben, ob sie damit nun direkt was verdienen, oder die Mining-Aktivitäten durch ihr eigentliches Angebot querfinanzieren.

imho kann man schon sinnvoll spekulieren, wenn man die technischen und ökonomischen eckdaten miteinbezieht.
Sinnvoll spekulieren über einen Zeitraum von....>30Jahren?  Roll Eyes

Übrigens sind wir immernoch in den ersten Jahren, Bitcoin kennt doch keine Sau. Grin
3438  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Was passiert, wenn der Block Reward noch weiter sinkt? on: December 23, 2012, 07:25:46 PM
Na, wieso kommst Du dann mit Lösungsalternativen für ein Problem, das vermutlich garnicht existiert?

Aber gut, spekulieren wir mal fröhlich vor uns hin:
Wie bereits angemerkt hat sich der Erlöß durchs Mining in meiner aktiven Zeit etwa ver-1300-facht (in nichtmal 3 Jahren),
gehen wir also mal davon aus, das sich das bis zum verschwinden des Rewards wiederholt (was definitiv mehr als 3Jahre dauert).
Zur Zeit werden pro Block Gebühren etwa zwischen 0.05 und 0.5BTC gezahlt, gehen wir also mal von durchschnittlich 0.25BTC aus.

Dieser Spekulation folgend kommen wir somit auf einen Wert von 4225USD pro Block, das 13fache von dem was man heute bekommt, NUR durch Gebühren!

Aber wie gesagt, reine Spekulation.  Wink

 
3439  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Was passiert, wenn der Block Reward noch weiter sinkt? on: December 23, 2012, 06:47:10 PM
Es ist zwar richtig, daß sich Miner über Reward+Gebühr und später irgendwann dann nurnoch über die Gebühr finanzieren,
das war aber schon immer so.
Als ich mit Mining anfing, gab es 50BTC pro Block, ein BTC hatte einen Wert von etwa 0.5UScent, ein Block ergab also 25UScent!
Heute gibt es zwar nurnoch 25BTC pro Block, ein BTC hat aber einen Wert von über 13USD, ein Block bringt demnach 1300mal soviel ein, wie zu Zeiten, als der Reward doppelt so hoch war.

Der Punkt ist, daß heute niemand mit Gewissheit Aussagen darüber treffen kann, welchen Wert der in Zukunft reduzierte Reward und/oder die Gebühr hat. Daher sind sämtliche Überlegungen in diese Richtung reine Spekulation.

3440  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the useless bitcoin mainstream efforts on: December 23, 2012, 09:04:07 AM
What you basically say is, that the only mainstream currency is the USD, which, i think, is kinda wrong.
Bitcoin is more than just a currency though, it's also a payment system.

There's no way we can convince/force OPEC to accept bitcoins,
Saddam tried to sell his oil for EUR once and we all know what happened to him.

But you know what? We don't have to, all they need is a BitPay account.  Wink
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