I don't want to sound mean but how exactly are you going to "reduce the Carbon footprint" and save the "beautiful and wonderful home, we call Earth by reducing a 300w consumption which is 1- unnecessary the well-being of planet earth 2-increases the usage of carbon which is caused by some of the mining activities.

Even if I was to think of this as a significant improvement, it doesn't change a thing, miners moving from a pool that runs on regular power to your solar-based pool reduces the power consumption by exactly 0, it's not like those pools are going to shut down because we moved to your pool.

I am not against "green earth" but I can't see how that is relevant to a pool which makes its money from miners who could be using Coal-burning power plants which makes 65% of the total power energy in China, and given that the majority of miners are in China, it's safe to assume that at least half of them run their miners on Coal-burning power plants, 38% of the world power generation comes from Coal-burning power plants which mean a good portion of the rest of the world's miners also participate in generating carbon dioxide.

My advice, promote your pool by focusing on other factors such as fees and payment method, if it's PPS, do you have any pool reserves? how much is it? non of these essential information exists on your pool's website.

You make perfect sense, many things in these miners are hard to be explained because they don't make sense, but I have personally had issues that did seem to be PSU related and ended up being hash boards related, I initially thought of it the way you do now, it's pretty simple, the control board controls both the PSU and the hash boards, so any power related issue must be PSU or control board, but well, shit happens.

I encoured a similar power issue on a T17, I don't remember the exact error in the kernel log, but it was "power xx error", I tried a working PSU and a working control board and that didn't fix it, I played with the hash boards and the miner worked, it turned out that one of the hash boards was causing the issue, the miner worked perfectly with 2 boards.

What I did next was installing that "bad" hashboard on another T17, and guess what? it worked without an issue, I installed the hash board which I took out from the second T17 on the first T17 and it worked as well! do I have a technical or scientific explation for this? No, and i am sure even Bitmain themselves don't.

This isn't the case, the "inevitable" can be delayed to as far as a hundred years, it really isn't a matter of opinion or a thought, it's pure math.

Let's run the math for 13 and 33 years from now

Year 2020, bitcoin block reward  = 6.25    > total reward in fiat  = $62500 when price = $10,000
Year 2032 , bitcoin block reward = 0.78125> total reward in fiat = $62500 when price = $80,000
Year 2053 , bitcoin block reward = 0.0.0244141> total reward in fiat = $62500 when price = $2,559,996

Can bitcoin reach 80k in 13 years from now? very likely, can it get to 2.5M in 2053? maybe!

Mining gear manufacturers end only when at least one of two things happens.

1- They can't improve their mining gears efficiency

This takes away any incentives for miners to switch their mining gears for more profitable once, the network will be fully saturated and miners will start looking for a way to reduce their power cost instead of buying more efficient gears, those who fail to keep up with the low prices will have to leave the game and sell their miners to those who have cheaper power rates, all of this harms the manufacturers and they will be forced to close.

2- Mining rewards in fiat become too small

The point which you have explained already which depend ENTIRELY on the price of bitcoin and not the block rewards if we were to reach consensus to increase total supply and increased block rewards to 50BTC does that necessarily mean mining will be more profitable? no, because if bitcoin drops to a $100 the total mining industry will only generate $5000 a block, which is too small for everybody to sustain their businesses.

If bitcoin price drops to $1000 it will hurt gear manufacturers much more than the halving, so there is nothing that is going to happen in "a few more years" if the price keeps going up, I see that the end of those manufacturers will be the first point, and agree to what you mentioned here.


This is because technology is the limit, bitcoin isn't the limit, if the price keeps going up then the network will be able to accommodate more miners, and all they have to do is "make more gears of the same chip".

If bitcoin price doesn't increase, every halving will negatively affect commercial mining which will have a huge impact on the manufacturers.

To sum up:

You think industrial mining will die in a few years because of the halving, in other words, you are betting against the price of bitcoin. I think the opposite, I am betting on the price of bitcoin to go to much higher prices making the halvings near irrelevant for a few decades.

I am not in the U.S so I can't give you an accurate answer, but according to my knowledge 4.5 cents in the U.S is below the average, so I think the should be satisfied, although, I am not sure if YOU will be satisfied as well, I am not aware of your mining background but hosting mining gears isn't easy and there are other costs involved, adding that to your initial power cost might put you at loss, so I would run the math a hundred times before getting involved.

And by the way, phill is great resource for these kind of information and he is in the U.S so he would help you better.

Phill you should also consider cost per terahash, downclocking an S17 pro to 26w/th means you essentially paid a higher price, you pay $1000 for a used S17 pro which is supposed to do 54TH, you downclock it to 38th and then cost per terahash becomes  $26, so it's like paying $1421.

Compare that to S19 pro which is almost as efficient (29w/th) if you pay $3000 for it, then the cost per TH = 3000/110 = $27, so the price is almost identical, pros here: S19 is brand new, S17pro is used, cons: slightly less efficient.

Of course, this is based on $1000 vs $3000, which is just a rough estimate, if S17 pro goes for $800 and S19 pro $3800 then the maths will favor the S17 pro.

Wasn't this supposed to happen the past halving? or at least this is what many people thought, this makes the assumption that the next halving will be the end for those pool just as accurate, what was difficulty prior to the halving? 15T, and now? its at 19T and that's more than 25% increase when many people (including myself) thought we would go the other direction.

The halving is irrelevant when compared to price, 6.25 BTC at 10k btc is exactly the same as 3.125BTC at 20k, so only IF (and that's a big if) bitcoin price fails to breaks 20k by the time the next halving comes - then your assumption will be valid, but I am willing to bet against it.


IMO this won't happen the next halving, not even that following one, in 8 years from now all bitcoin has to do is double twice, 1.5625BTC for block reward and bitcoin price at $40,000 will make mining as profitable as it is now, and I believe that in 8 years, prices way greater than 40k are doable.

Would love to see a non-Chinese mining gear that can compete with the Chinese mining gears.

I still think it's more of a power-related issue, are you sure you tried a working PSU?

OP, if the miner isn't under warranty, open the PSU and give it a good dusting, and then remove two dashboards and keep only one plugged in, start with keeping chain 0 and then try, if the problem persists then remove chain 0 and install chain 1 alone, do this for the 3 boards, there is a good chance that one of teh hash boards is casuing this issue.

Also, you must try the obvious basic troubleshooting which is reset and flash a different firmware.

IMO if you can't compete with miners in China such as those in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia then making a profit, in the long run, will be quite difficult, miners in Sichuan have about 6 months (April to October) of about 1 cent per KhW, but I'd say the average year would be 3-4 cents for the majority of miners in China.

You might think that since the Chinese don't makeup 100% of the total hashrate and thus the average electricity cost is higher when considering other countries, well, the bad news is, there are many other countries with much cheaper power rate, such as Iran and most of the Middle-East countries, East-Europe has some very cheap rates, countries like Venezuela and Malaysia have even better rates.

Not being able to compete with those people in terms of electricity price puts you in great danger of losing money, people who paid 2.5-3k for S19 and mine at 5-6 cents are unlikely to ROI, let alone make a profit unless of course bitcoin price was to moon unrealistically, but in that case, you are better off buying the coin directly.

So how do you plan on getting us to billion users without using a second layer solution?

Increasing block size isn't the solution either, you have living proof of coins with 8MB blocksize such as BCH or even unlimited blocksize such as BSV, do these coins have more traffic and users than Bitcoin? the answer is NO, people paid an average of 50$ to interact with ERC20 contracts on ETH, they pay 10-20$ to send BTC, why would they do that when they can send it for almost free? heck, some coins have instant confirmation and close to 0 fees but nobody uses them.

This is a free market, users bet against each other and whoever wants to use it must pay for it, we barely have full blocks and some blocks go almost empty, we are not even close to a full maximation of blocksize.

Another factor that you need to consider is the blockchain size as a whole, why do you need a purchase of 1$ for your morning coffee to be written on a public ledger stored on thousands of computers, who is going to pay for it? this isn't just a matter of miners process transactions and then delet that block for good, thousands of people need to store it on their computers, storage costs money, if we have unlimited blocksize and fees go close to 0 then doors for transaction spamming will be wide open, eventually, the blockchain (which is already huge) will be way too huge for the average joe to run their full-node, and then it's only a matter of time until only large corporations can afford to run full nodes and this will take us back to the old monetary system where a couple of people sit in a closed room and decide what to do with bitcoin.

Also, receiving/downloading and propagating large blocks is a 1st world's privilege, the majority of people don't have fast enough internet to process huge blocks, so even those who can afford storage will suffer, miners across the globe will no longer be able to mine solo and 100% of the hashrate will be direct to 2-3 mining pools, 50-100 full nodes that are owned by 2-3 large companies and then you have the perfect centralized public ledger, exactly how banks and governments would want it to be.

قمت بالقاء نظرة على قناة التليقرام العربية وهناك حوالي 5000 عضو والنشاط كبير جدا ولكن المحتوى والفائدة لاتمثل حتى 1% من كمية الكلام المكتوب, على العموم خطوة جيدة من بينانس, اغلب العرب لايتكلمون الانجليزية وحتى استخدام المنصة البسيط جدا قد يكون معقد للكثيرين, ولكن باعتقادي فان صعوبة استخدام المنصة تكمن في عدم وجود شروحات في صغة فيديوات بالعربي, لان ترجمة المنصة حرفيا ليس اهم من محاولة شرحها, ولكن مثل هده الاشياء ان لم تنفع فهي لن تضر.

That's true, while the risk is far greater, the profit margin in mining centers is much higher than those in normal datacenters, this allows the former to charge more and thus profit more.

The main technical difference is that mining centers have much more power than what datacenters need, which means they are creating unrealistic supply which can't operate under normal conditions when mining isn't profitable, before I set up my own farm I visited one of the largest data centers in my city since power here is almost free, their rate was pretty cheap, it was cheaper for me to have them host my miners than me building my own place, the problem was that my required power was way too much for them, although I only asked for 0.5MW worth of electricity.

The sales manager was quite surprised and he didn't even try to negotiate with me, he smiled and said "this is way too much for us to accept, I am afraid we are not able to work with you", It felt like my requirements alone are higher than what they have in total, and since these guys were pretty large compared to others, I figured out that I shouldn't waste time trying to find another datacenter and that I should just build my own farm.

Nice work you got, regarding the Wireless to LAN bridge, have you looked for something that has POE?


Have you contacted them recently to see if they have dropped their MOQ and/or price? I believe with the resent diff jump as well as price drop they might have become a bit more flexible with these hash boards, I would love up upgrade 30-30 of my S9s if the price is right, I certinally wouldn't take 600 of them.

Don't temperature security options exist in the stock firmware's options? I remember in the old version of S9 firmware there was an option for that, it says something like "stop mining when chip temp is over xx", have they removed all of these features in the 17 series firmware?

Thanks for being nice enough to answer all of our questions, remember we are doing this to help you improve not to bring you down.

Since when did bitmain firmware become the ideal standard?  , their firmware suck big time.


I saw that, and I admire, because this is how I treat my gears as well, 90-100% fixed fan speed is the only way I run these miners, fans are dirt cheap and I have a ton of them for spare.

Agreed, also the fixed fan speed effect on temp should be modifiable, 80c as a chip temp target for auto-fan is a bit too much, the best option would be setting your desired max chip-temp on which the fans will try to achieve by spinning at faster/slower RPMs, by all means 80c on these 17 series gears is overkill.

Bolded part is the issue, this study can be off by a bit, I know that U.S citizens care about privacy and anonymity much more than the Chinese do, actually many other countries do, but let's assume the study is accurate and does apply to all other major pools, we still have 30% of the hashrate that isn't coming from China, but most of it is pointed to Chinese mining pools.


Same here, I am stuck with Viabtc because they are the only pool which works perfectly for me, i am not happy doing so because Viabtc is controlled by bitmain oneway or the other, I tried almost all different PPS pools and I can't seem to find one that provides the same quality by any means.

اعتقد ان مرحلة مابعد "الوباء" ستكون مختلفة خصوصا من الناحية الاقتصادية, خسائر الدول تقدر بالمليارات, وكل مامكان هناك حاجة لتسيل اموال من الخارج كل مازادت التنازلات, مثلا وعلى سبيل المثال دول مالطا واسبانيا ونظرا لسوء اقتصادهم في السنوات الاخيرة اصبحو "يبيعون" جنسية دولهم بالمال, وهناك الكثير من الدول غير الاروبية تقوم بنفس الشي, تركيا مثلا تسهل كافة انواع الاستتمارات والاقامة والجنسية للعرب, ماليزيا وغيرها من الدول الاسوية, الموضوع مسئلة وقت لا غير والكلمة الاخيرة في خصوص العقوبات الاقتصادية راجعة لامريكيا, وانا توقع ان يكون هناك انفتاح وانتهاء قصة الحرب ضد الارهاب التي كانت هي الدريعة الاولة لكل العقوبات التي تسنها الولايات المتحدة على الدول العربية.

اما فيما يتعلق بتبني الكريبتو من قبل الحكومات العربية فالموضوع لايمكن حتى الحديث عنه الان, وهوا ليس مهم بالنسبة لي, الاهم هوا رفع العقوبات على الدول العربية ومعامتلها اسوا بالدول الاخرى وكلي ثقة في الله ان الامور ستسير للاحسن في مرحلة مابعد Covid19.

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اخ خالد ان متاكد ان شخص بقدراتك لن يعجز في استخدام برنامج يسجل فيديو للشاشة اتناء العمل مع بعض الشرح حتى في notepad.

كما اوضحت سابقا يمكن المشاركة باي طريقة تناسبك ولكن فرصة الفوز اكبر للفيديوات.

مع ذلك اضافة شرح بطرق اخرى لن يظر شي بالعكس هوا فائدة للجميع حتى خارج نطاق المسابقة.

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That is valid only to a certain degree, not to shift this discussion to a "geopolitical" one, but let's look at the numbers.

Chinese mining pools make roughly and safely 90% of the hashrate? Chinese mining farms make 50-60%?

Keep in mind that chances are that very large mining farms in China could be mining solo, it's not very unlikely that the majority of the hashrate on these pools is from non-Chinese miners, but even if we were to assume the opposite, there still comes the question.

Where did the 30-40% of Non-chinese miners go? 90% of them are mining on Chinese pools, Slush pool had the best strategic planing compared to all the non-Chinese "OGs" that's why it has about 3% of the total hashrate, while the rest of non-Chinese pools combined are not even in the top 10.

The top 3 largest pools alone made up 42% of the total hahsrate for the past 30 days, 100% of them are Chinese, one of the factors for their success is being "Chinese" there is no doube about it, but that certainly isn't the main factor.

That's one hell of a jump given the price crash we had recently.

At this point mining with 6 cents per kwh hardly makes any profit on anything that is less effienct than the S19, heck even the S19 pro makes only 3.9$ a day at 6 cents, and 5.5$ daily at 4 cents, not sure in which universe does the maths for paying $3500 for an S19 pro actually work.