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3461  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hongkong wants to ban Bitcoin!! Bitfinex, Huobi, Okcoin in danger!!! on: February 11, 2015, 08:54:06 PM
IS HK a nanny state?

no!
it is just Hong Kong!!!
3462  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official on: February 11, 2015, 08:45:17 PM
Third, heads-up that we'll be publishing a 25-page draft white paper on our PoS solution in the next couple weeks. It will be the first time that anyone in the community has comprehensively and mathematically addressed the objections commonly raised to PoS designs. We're looking forward to feedback on it.


I think this coin will do well, but I will hold final judgement until I read the White Paper.

I no not know...
There are many users who have raised doubts about the strength of those who finance and participate in the project...
i'm waiting for new info about the project.
3463  Local / Trading, analisi e speculazione / Re: [ANALISI][Dati 26 gennaio] Il prezzo dei bitcoin on: February 11, 2015, 08:42:30 PM
Io non credo che si possa determinare il numero di utilizzatori reali basandosi sul numero degli address.

Io personalmente ne ho usati a decine, ne assegno uno per ogni "cliente", creo nuovi address per ogni cold-storage dove ogni address non deve contenere più di X BTC, e se mi capita di usarli, anche parzialmente, ne creo uno nuovo. Diciamo che per me sono usa-e-getta da usare una sola volta.

Senza contare poi il discorso del change-address dove ogni parziale "ritorna" su un address nuovo, e per i sistemi di pagamento che generano un nuovo address per ogni transazione.

Insomma, è davvero un dato molto parziale.




FaSan

E' vero, credo anche io che sia difficile risalire al numero di utilizzatori solo dal numero di indirizzi. Però, come ricordava gbianchi, questo dato ha il vantaggio (non da poco) di essere oggettivo. Per lo meno, si può dire che il numero di utilizzatori non può essere superiore al numero di indirizzi.
Rimane da individuare un limite inferiore per stabilire un range in cui si stima il numero di utilizzatori.


Assolutamente vero per quanto riguarda il numero massimo. Per il numero minimo si potrebbe rapportare il dato "address" con il numero di registrazioni nel forum. Se è vero che molti hanno più di un account e che relativamente alcuni utilizzatori potrebbero non essere iscritti, si potrebbe trovare una media più approssimata alla realtà



FaSan

fasan,
è da tempo che cerco di capire se oltre a bitcointalk e reddit ci sono altri forum "significativi"
che possono servire da base statistica...

tu cosa puoi dirmi in merito???
sono solo 'sti due i forum significativi?

o c'è altra roba?




Ci sono altre realtà, ma alla fin fine qui ci passano tutti.



FaSan

è quello che pensavo...
a livello statistico...
creazione nuovi user,
post/mont...
etc etc...
son solo reddit e btcointalk che fanno la storia...
3464  Local / Trading, analisi e speculazione / Re: [ANALISI][Dati 26 gennaio] Il prezzo dei bitcoin on: February 11, 2015, 08:38:32 PM
Io non credo che si possa determinare il numero di utilizzatori reali basandosi sul numero degli address.

Io personalmente ne ho usati a decine, ne assegno uno per ogni "cliente", creo nuovi address per ogni cold-storage dove ogni address non deve contenere più di X BTC, e se mi capita di usarli, anche parzialmente, ne creo uno nuovo. Diciamo che per me sono usa-e-getta da usare una sola volta.

Senza contare poi il discorso del change-address dove ogni parziale "ritorna" su un address nuovo, e per i sistemi di pagamento che generano un nuovo address per ogni transazione.

Insomma, è davvero un dato molto parziale.




FaSan

E' vero, credo anche io che sia difficile risalire al numero di utilizzatori solo dal numero di indirizzi. Però, come ricordava gbianchi, questo dato ha il vantaggio (non da poco) di essere oggettivo. Per lo meno, si può dire che il numero di utilizzatori non può essere superiore al numero di indirizzi.
Rimane da individuare un limite inferiore per stabilire un range in cui si stima il numero di utilizzatori.


Assolutamente vero per quanto riguarda il numero massimo. Per il numero minimo si potrebbe rapportare il dato "address" con il numero di registrazioni nel forum. Se è vero che molti hanno più di un account e che relativamente alcuni utilizzatori potrebbero non essere iscritti, si potrebbe trovare una media più approssimata alla realtà



FaSan

fasan,
è da tempo che cerco di capire se oltre a bitcointalk e reddit ci sono altri forum "significativi"
che possono servire da base statistica...

tu cosa puoi dirmi in merito???
sono solo 'sti due i forum significativi?

o c'è altra roba?

3465  Local / Annunci / Re: [BURST] Un'altcoin da minare con l'hard disk! Wallet 1.2.2 on: February 11, 2015, 08:36:26 PM
quando pensavo di aver capito tutto..
il miner stasera mi continua a dire "no deadlines" cosa può essere successo?

Sono successo io  Grin
Ho inserito una deadline minima di 2592000 secondi, ossia 30 giorni, per ottimizzare le performance del server.
A quanti GB sei arrivato? E' strano che non trovi neanche una deadline sotto i 30 giorni

zip con quella DL quanti TB ci vogliono ...
così a braccio
12TB possono bastare?


facce sape!!!
3466  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yanis-Varoufakis-Greece, Bitcoin WILL save them from Europe. It won't be pretty. on: February 11, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
Im extremely interested in the outcome of Greece, i'll listen to this later. But in any case I dont see them making Bitcoin the official Greece coin so to speak. People is too dumb to adapt all of a sudden to Bitcoin. Its too crazy and experimental to make it the currency of an entire nation.
Then again they are in a dead end on the 28th, unless they arrive at agreement with Merkel which is not gonna happen.

I'm also very interested what will happen in Greece.
I don't think that thy can simple change Euro with bitcoin and that this will fix all their financial problems.
Nobody will forgive them their financial debts and I don't think that EU will ever accept repayments in BTC instead of Euro Smiley
BTC can be good solution for them if they ever decide to give up from Euro but until they resolve this financial situation this is not possible.




i agree with you!!!
for sure, they cannot simple change Euro with bitcoin and and fix all their financial problems.
but i agree with varoufakis...
why germat, after second world war, get a 50% disocunt on debit war...
which is more serious...
and greek cannot???

really strange!

 Wink Wink Wink

from wiki

"The total under negotiation was 16 billion marks of debt resulting from the Treaty of Versailles after World War I which had not been paid in the 1930s, but which Germany decided to repay to restore its reputation. This money was owed to government and private banks in the U.S., France and Britain. Another 16 billion marks represented postwar loans by the U.S. Under the London Debts Agreement of 1953, the repayable amount was reduced by 50% to about 15 billion marks and stretched out over 30 years, and compared to the fast-growing German economy were of minor impact.[2]"
3467  Economy / Economics / Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions on: February 11, 2015, 10:53:50 AM
HSBC bank has been laundering money and "helping" customers hide their income for years. There were reports of HSBC being involved in funding terrorist organizations in Saudi Arabia. Then later, HSBC was linked with other bank connected with Mexican drug cartels. Only recently an employee decided he had enough and leaked hard proof documents to several authorities in few countries.

i'm interested!!!
can you give us some materials/links to pursue the matter?

many thanks

I heard about this somewhere back in 2010, can't remember where from.

Here's an example from reuters 2012 report: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/uk-hsbc-probe-idUKBRE8BA05K20121212

ahahhaha...

in the first paragraph i read:

local drug lord referred to the bank [HSBC] as the "place to launder money"

LOL
3468  Local / Annunci / Re: [BURST] Un'altcoin da minare con l'hard disk! Wallet 1.2.2 on: February 11, 2015, 08:42:19 AM
io sto usando
wplotgenerator.exe l'ultima versione 1.6 mi pare
ce ne sono di nuovi?

ps come si possono vedere quanti BURST si hanno nel balance della pool italiana?

basta che fai un find sulla pagina della pool con tuo indirizzo burst..

trovi due info:
1) il balance corrente
2) gli ultimi pagamenti effettuati dalla pool verso il tuo indirizzo...
sono in basso a dx
3469  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: || cryptomining.farm || BurstCoin Pool || Burstcoin Cloud Mining on: February 10, 2015, 08:26:03 PM
i check ROI page..
but i do not understand why

* Hold 10000CELL=+36%/year, Hold 100000CELL=+72%/year, Hold 1000000CELL=+144%year

more cell you hold, more is the percentage gain...

why???
3470  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: || cryptomining.farm || BurstCoin Pool || Burstcoin Cloud Mining on: February 10, 2015, 08:18:29 PM
some other materials!!!

https://nxtforum.org/assets-board/(ann)-(cell)-solarfarm-asset-photovoltaic-power-station-in-thailand-18mw/?PHPSESSID=ln02l5tld3leh0h7bcvk3s55s0
3471  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MyCoin Went Bankrupt? Were you a victim? on: February 10, 2015, 08:05:25 PM
I decided to stop the habit of letting my coins inside other people's hands since Mt Gox.

Thats the best decision any one can make, specially with bitcoin

+1

DO NOT HOLD YOUR BTC ON THIRD PARTY EXCHANGES – BE YOUR OWN BANK

i like gbianchi signature!!!

;-)
3472  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Understanding the Automated Transaction system (AT) on: February 10, 2015, 07:59:37 PM
can you explain in a few words...
how AT could be use to implement a simple gambling like lottery or dice game??

Our very first "use case" was a Lottery (which runs on Burst with a new draw once per week) so the raw assembly code for it is as follows:

Code:
00000000* BNZ $00000000 :0000004c
00000006  SET @00000001 #0000002e90edd000
00000013  FUN @00000000 0x0301
0000001a  SET @00000002 $00000000
00000023  SET @00000003 #0000000000000000
00000030  SET @00000004 #0000000000002760
0000003d  FUN @00000000 0x0406 $00000000 $00000004
0000004c  FUN 0x0304 $00000002
00000053  FUN @00000004 0x0125
0000005a  BNZ $00000004 :00000061
00000060  FIN
00000061  FUN @00000005 0x0307
00000068  BLT $00000005 $00000000 :00000077
00000072  JMP :00000110
00000077  FUN @00000006 0x0306
0000007e  FUN 0x030a
00000081  FUN @00000004 0x0104
00000088  FUN 0x030b
0000008b  FUN @00000007 0x0104
00000092  BEQ $00000007 $00000004 :00000102
0000009c  FUN @00000004 0x0305
000000a3  BNZ $00000004 :000000f4
000000a9  BEQ $00000006 $00000001 :000000b8
000000b3  JMP :00000156
000000b8  FUN @00000004 0x0308
000000bf  FIZ $00000004
000000c4  FUN 0x030a
000000c7  FUN 0x0110 $00000004
000000ce  FUN 0x0405
000000d1  ADD @00000003 $00000001
000000da  BLE $00000004 $00000008 :000000f4
000000e4  SET @00000008 $00000004
000000ed  FUN @00000009 0x0104
000000f4  SET @00000002 $00000005
000000fd  JMP :0000004c
00000102  ADD @00000003 $00000006
0000010b  JMP :000000f4
00000110  BZR $00000003 :00000148
00000116  BZR $00000008 :00000148
0000011c  FUN 0x0116 $00000009
00000123  FUN @0000000a 0x0300
0000012a  BEQ $0000000a $00000000 :00000140
00000134  FUN 0x0402 $00000003
0000013b  JMP :00000184
00000140  FUN 0x0403
00000143  JMP :00000184
00000148  SET @00000002 $00000005
00000151  JMP :00000023
00000156  FUN 0x030a
00000159  BLE $00000006 $00000001 :00000178
00000163  SUB @00000006 $00000001
0000016c  FUN 0x0402 $00000006
00000173  JMP :000000b8
00000178  FUN 0x0402 $00000006
0000017f  JMP :000000f4
00000184  SET @00000002 $00000000
0000018d  SET @00000008 #0000000000000000
0000019a  SET @00000009 #0000000000000000
000001a7  JMP :00000023

Perhaps @vbcs might post a nicer version for you that was created using AT Assembler (which has variable *names* and *labels* rather than just addresses as yes I realise that the above is more than a little hard to decipher).

We are working on the idea of some quicker random games of chance and will be sure to let people know when we have a simple example that they can study (we might perhaps make a simple "highest random value wins" for two consecutive players).

One limitation that AT hosts do have is how quickly they can generate "random" data (on Burst that is currently set at 14 blocks from memory) so you could have a dice kind of game but it won't be "instant" (the same AT could work much faster on a blockchain that can produce entropy quicker).


nice to hear about "AT" lottery game!!!
CIYAM,
can you post a link with some how-to play???

many thanks!!!

To participate to the lottery you need to download and run burstcoin. Then follow the instructions which are published here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg10254497#msg10254497

i just installed the html file to use lottery!!!

can you explain what stand for:
   - Current best ticket
   - Total amount
   - Next draw


thanks...


3473  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CELL] SolarFarm asset | Photovoltaic power station in Thailand 18MW on: February 10, 2015, 07:54:02 PM
add to exchange

https://c-cex.com/?p=cell-btc

*exchange only for nxt asset
"burst" can buy on burst asset exchange
 

WOW...

i never read about ICO/IPO on c-cex!!!

where a can find more info???

thanks
3474  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yanis-Varoufakis-Greece, Bitcoin WILL save them from Europe. It won't be pretty. on: February 10, 2015, 07:51:17 PM
He's well able for aggressive journalists  Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiIO4YciewU

great Varoufakis

:-)
3475  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official on: February 10, 2015, 07:36:06 PM
Hi, this is Dan, one of the NeuCoin Project’s founders. I wanted to chime in with a few points.

First, I’m very encouraged to see the enthusiasm for NeuCoin from a lot of people here! Thank you! Sandrine will keep making posts on this thread but we'd also love to welcome you to our forum at neucoin.org (http://forum.neucoin.org/) where there are a lot more questions and answers.

Second, to the few who are calling this a "scam" (Sandrine told me not to speak to trolls but…) try visiting the People behind NeuCoin (http://www.neucoin.org/en/wiki/#people) on our wiki - it speaks for itself.  Grin

Third, heads-up that we'll be publishing a 25-page draft white paper on our PoS solution in the next couple weeks. It will be the first time that anyone in the community has comprehensively and mathematically addressed the objections commonly raised to PoS designs. We're looking forward to feedback on it.

can you list the name of the PM who will coordinate the developer team?

[PM= project manager]

thanks
3476  Economy / Economics / Re: HSBC files show how Swiss bank helped clients dodge taxes and hide millions on: February 10, 2015, 07:34:38 PM
HSBC bank has been laundering money and "helping" customers hide their income for years. There were reports of HSBC being involved in funding terrorist organizations in Saudi Arabia. Then later, HSBC was linked with other bank connected with Mexican drug cartels. Only recently an employee decided he had enough and leaked hard proof documents to several authorities in few countries.

i'm interested!!!
can you give us some materials/links to pursue the matter?

many thanks
3477  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Ponzi sites 20% profit on: February 10, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
here is what can happen playing with a ponzi scheme:

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/mycoinhk-packages-fiat-currency-ponzi-scheme-as-guaranteed-bitcoin-payout
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-exchange-mycoin-disappears-250m-suspected-ponzi-scheme-1487170
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1708308/mycoin-director-quit-one-month-bitcoin-platform-changed-trading-rules

have fun!!!

 Grin Grin Grin Grin

3478  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mycoin can't comparable to Mtgox, let Mtgox stay the dignity of final please on: February 10, 2015, 09:49:49 AM
other news about myCoin

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-exchange-mycoin-disappears-250m-suspected-ponzi-scheme-1487170
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1708308/mycoin-director-quit-one-month-bitcoin-platform-changed-trading-rules
3479  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mycoin can't comparable to Mtgox, let Mtgox stay the dignity of final please on: February 10, 2015, 09:48:25 AM
Mtgox is a real Bitcoin exchange, which had been handling btc trading around the world for an extended period of time, I'd bet most of us had involved it once.

As for Mycoin, all of it is a fake, $300 million lost? lol.. anyone trading on it? Compare bitstamp was hacked $5.4 million last time, price were rising in that time, huh.  did you think the price has more interests in $5.4 million than $300 million?  Cheesy

So far, exchanges which has not been lost / hacked only three: LakeBTC, Kraken, and Localbitcoins. Which do you think will be the next explosion?  Roll Eyes

this is an old news...

but here you can find a definitive how-to it was worked...

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/mycoinhk-packages-fiat-currency-ponzi-scheme-as-guaranteed-bitcoin-payout

in a few worrds...

it was a ponzi schema..
never converted fiat to btc...
3480  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Ponzi sites 20% profit on: February 10, 2015, 09:43:18 AM
and here we go again!!

po po poppo po ponzi
po po poppo po ponzi

i'm doing a gingle with this simple words!!

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

weekly ponzi is running Week #5

and there are again people who invest after the first hour!!!
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