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3461  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open Letter to GMaxwell and Sincere Rational Core Devs on: March 05, 2017, 09:26:57 PM
Carlton, and company.  How did you come to the conclusion segwit isn't a change OR doesn't increase the tps?

Here's how.
 
Segregated witness does not need to increase the tps, you've already heard my attitude to that. In it's own right, segwit simply segregates the signatures into a separate, parallel block structure.

Further, segwit isn't a change. It's an addition.
3462  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open Letter to GMaxwell and Sincere Rational Core Devs on: March 05, 2017, 09:08:42 PM
Here I may disagree, not sure exactly what you meant.  Why would a change that make something that is inevitable easier/safer/more efficient be a problem for you.

We cannot stop second layer solutions.


I am asking if you need to propose a protocol change through consensus in order for 2nd layer's to happen?  What change are you refering to?

And the answer is that there is no need, the protocol additions to enable 2nd layers have already been activated on the network. Burt alludes to further additions to the protocol that would improve the efficiency of 2nd layers.
3463  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A Lightning Tx *IS* a bitcoin Tx, and here's why: on: March 05, 2017, 09:00:28 PM
I see one problem. Until the UTXO is associated with one of Bobs addresses, meaning that he has the Bitcoin in one of his address and this is confirmed in the ledger, all he has is a very strong IOU. I would expect that in this forum you will have a hard time selling the idea of an IOU as a real Bitcoin transaction.

The Lightning Network is a ledger in it's own right, as are all promissory note systems. The difference in Lightning's system of promissory notes is that the promissory notes cannot be counterfeited, the on-chain transaction needed to open the channel ensures that.
3464  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open Letter to GMaxwell and Sincere Rational Core Devs on: March 05, 2017, 08:48:20 PM


Don't expect a Franky to understand something if his job depends on him not understanding it Cheesy
The nature of the problem is such that its not easy or intuitive for any of us:

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Our view is that if it is viewed scientifically and rationally (which is psychologically difficult!) that money should have the function of a standard of measurement and thus that it should become comparable to the watt or the hour or a degree of temperature.

Relax those trouser creases, it was a joke Smiley I agree, you're presenting us with difficult subject matter. Nothing like a challenge IMO. As you were
3465  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Fundamental problem: Lightning Network leads to centralization and less security on: March 05, 2017, 08:40:55 PM
Isn't it obvious that the majority isn't interested in LN based on the massive resistance to Segwit?

Segwit compatible nodes are 51% of the network. And rising every day. If that's the majority of users rejecting it, I don't know what would convince you. 101% segwit nodes, maybe?

"Anyone" can run a bitcoin node as well, but only ~5000 do...

Bitcoin nodes are ~ 6000. And rising every day. You're in favour of changes that endanger that trend.

Finally, I don't want to open a payment channel with anyone, I just want to pay them and get paid by them, and that technology exists today and is(was) working until recently. As others have said, with LN we could well be headed toward using the mega-corporate channels with the corporations data mining and spying. All sounds very familiar to me...

Which part of "anyone can start a p2p Lightning node" don't you understand?
3466  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open Letter to GMaxwell and Sincere Rational Core Devs on: March 05, 2017, 08:31:45 PM
you need  to understand this in order to participate properly in the dialogue, and there are multiple participants who understand this very well.

Don't expect a Franky to understand something if his job depends on him not understanding it Cheesy
3467  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Moving towards user activated soft fork activation on: March 05, 2017, 07:44:48 PM
The only way to take power back from the miners, is to take away the actual source of their power: mining ASIC processors.

i.e. change the proof of work to something that is too difficult/expensive to make ASIC processors for

How does that solve the fact that rich people can buy a big building and run a million computers running any software they want and that would count as nodes (votes)?

It doesn't.

It solves the problem of ASIC manufacturers taking advantage of the market. The development and production of ASIC chips is highly privileged endeavor; engineering talent available to design the chip is very scarce as well as expensive, and access to chip fabrication plants is also scarce and expensive. Not to mention, the number of chips produced in a minimum sized batch would need that big building to house the miners; a significant barrier to entry.

My proposal (really Meni Rosenfeld's broad proposal) would let people mine with CPU's or GPU/FPGA's again. It wouldn't prevent mining warehouses, but it would change the balance of opportunity so that small miners can participate with a similar barrier to entry as big miners.
3468  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open Letter to GMaxwell and Sincere Rational Core Devs on: March 05, 2017, 05:58:33 PM


I accept it. I don't accept it is as serious a problem as you present, for the reasons I stated. Rationally.


Nowhere did I state that fixed supply money was either stable in value, or ideal. You said that on my behalf.
Ok, I think you are saying you don't see an importance in creating a stable metric for value?  Is this what you are saying?

No. How about this argument: we already have a stable metric for value, the joule.
3469  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Something Odd Is Happening at Bitcoin’s Largest Mining Pool Read more: http://w on: March 05, 2017, 05:53:28 PM
Strange.

Why would the largest miner on the network be stifling the capacity we already have? The owner of AntMiner claims to support the on-chain transaction model. This news seems to contradict that position.
3470  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open Letter to GMaxwell and Sincere Rational Core Devs on: March 05, 2017, 05:44:20 PM
Money that has a supply that is fixed cannot be stable in value, when the underlying economy it represents changes.

If you can't see this, leave.  There is no rational argument versus this.  Its basic basic basic basic basic basic basic economics, and common sense.  

I accept it. I don't accept it is as serious a problem as you present, for the reasons I stated. Rationally.


Nowhere did I state that fixed supply money was either stable in value, or ideal. You said that on my behalf.
3471  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Fundamental problem: Lightning Network leads to centralization and less security on: March 05, 2017, 05:36:09 PM
if for example Bob and Carol would also have an open channel, then this would link the two channels (A-B and C-D), so that Alice could finally send funds to Bob.
Alice would send funds through Bob and then Carol to Dan. As i heard they all would have to be online to do this. Is this correct?

Yes.

Routing through others connected to your LN node is part of what makes Lightning attractive, a high quality of privacy can be established that way (better than on-chain Bitcoin, only the parties directly connected to you are aware of your transactions, unlike when published on the public blockchain)

They don't have to be permanently online necessarily, but it's ideal if they are. There is at least one way to exploit channels to steal from others when one party goes offline, but not if they stay online. This is a significant flaw IMO, but it's not impossible that a p2p solution could be found for this also (a 3rd party solution has been devised). It's all still a work in progress.
3472  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open Letter to GMaxwell and Sincere Rational Core Devs on: March 05, 2017, 05:28:48 PM
1.  Ideal money would be money that ideally expands and contracts to account for the economy
 

This is where I part company with the logic expressed by the OP.

Dynamic Keynsian money supplies are only ideal for one part of the economy: producers. And the only reason for that is to maintain a profitable business for those producers, but that paradigm is diminishing increasingly rapidly, and may well disappear altogether before the 21st century finishes.

And it also ignores the fact that there are multiple established ways for producers to mitigate this risk (deflationary losses). This should be sefl-evident without any need for details; the world economy expanded consistently over the long term, despite deflationary money being more popular prior to the 20th century. The world couldn't have experienced a long term economic uptrend if it wasn't possible to handle the problems of deflation.
3473  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Egad. 81,000 + Transactions Unconfirmed. Again. Ugh! on: March 05, 2017, 05:05:35 PM
Therefore, BU doesn't actually "give miners more power", it just facilitates consensus.

BU facilitates breaking consensus, not enforcing it. That's the whole point of BU.

No-one will be able to trust the validity of on-chain transactions, as BU can fork or reorg itself unexpectedly at any time. The ability to alter the consensus rules on the fly turns forks and re-orgs into a feature, when they're highly undesirable for a stable uniform blockchain.
3474  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happens if BU fails VS What happens if SegWit fails on: March 05, 2017, 04:58:45 PM
So if the 2015 consensus event was adhered too, we would have the best of both worlds. A hard fork with dynamic block solution, and a simplified and more effective implementation of segwit allowing for full steam ahead for those wanting to develop lightning networks.
Instead we have sectarianism and deadlock, one which the miners can quite happily sit out.
And in the meantime, bitcoin adoption suffers.

Is this a good summarization of the situation?


No.

The 2015 agreement said nothing of the sort. The agreement was to implement Segwit first, then expand to 2MB base later. Nothing about dynamic sizing was part of it, that claim has been invented out of thin air.
3475  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-03-05] Google: It’s ‘More Urgent Than Ever’ to Use Bitcoin’s Encryption on: March 05, 2017, 04:08:05 PM
Google Press Office didn't check with the engineers: SHA-1 or SHA256 are not encryption ciphers.

The SHA family are hashing algorithms. There is no encryption in Bitcoin (until BIP 151 is implemented)
3476  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Fundamental problem: Lightning Network leads to centralization and less security on: March 05, 2017, 04:02:21 PM
The more interesting part is that all participants of a channel can interact. So everybody using Amazon or Apple would be potentially connected. I would expect Amazon and Apple to run there own Hubs. Which would them give certainly a lot of power and they might even decide to charge a fee. I also can not see how google is missing out on collecting a huge amount of data running own Hubs. Wouldn't that be a further compromise to privacy?

Lightning is peer to peer in essence. That means there is no hub/node distinction, everyone is a node, anyone can start a node.

Sure, some nodes will be more popular than others, but everyone can decide for themselves whether to use a cheap high volume channel (suitable when you don't care about privacy), or a more expensive low volume channel (suitable for privacy sensitive payments), or anything in between as you choose.

The main point is that because Lightning is p2p, it's a platform for a diversity of needs. Choose your own compromise/trade-off.
3477  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Fundamental problem: Lightning Network leads to centralization and less security on: March 05, 2017, 01:49:23 PM
Somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but LN does not effect Bitcoin directly. Nobody is forced to use LN. Even with LN we can all just use Bitcoin. So LN is not a risk to Bitcoin.

Some are saying that Blockstream is deliberately keeping the blocksize small to force people onto LN. I haven't seen proof of this theory, but they are the primary developers of LN, and they've received $75 million based on their assertion that people will need to use LN. If it's true, it would be a major risk for bitcoin.

There are multiple implementations of LN in ongoing development, 5 the last time I checked. Blockstream are only 1 of that 5.

You cannot qualify your statement that 5+ organisations developing their own form of Lightning protocol is a risk to Bitcoin.

The truth is the opposite: healthy competition in LN implementations can only help to improve Bitcoin's transaction capacity by orders of magnitude higher than any workable blocksize increase ever could, and provide strength in diversity should one of the many designs develops a problem.
3478  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Fundamental problem: Lightning Network leads to centralization and less security on: March 05, 2017, 01:00:10 PM
Either you're trolling again, Carlton, or your bias is now so strong that you're selectively quoting out of context without even realising it.  Stop jumping down someone's throat over your own failure at reading comprehension.  Let's try that quote you replied to again without the twisted bias on your part:

But keep being the mindless, rabid attack dog that you are, Carlton, frenzied at the slightest misunderstanding.  It continues to do nothing for your credibility.

Just like the rest of your ilk, you're still obsessed with individuals (mostly me) and personalities, incapable of arguing straightly or honestly about technical points.


You're wrong, that little exchange between d5000 and Boussac was not clear at all. I provided clarity.


Is there something wrong with the content of what I said? There is not, which is why, ironically, you can only attack my character. Who's the real troll Smiley
3479  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: 0.96 preliminary testing on: March 05, 2017, 12:53:37 PM
I expect you're aware of this goatpig;  Wallet Properties -> Receive Coins button produces

Code:
 (...)

Fixed

Possibly this issue is known/WIP also....

  • Click Receive Coins
  • Click Address Type
  • Select and apply Compressed nested P2SH key

QR code & text remains the P2PKH address. Instead of generating one P2PKH, 100 addresses are generated/displayed, and no compressed P2SH addresses at all.


Edit(Edit): A 2nd attempt at creating a compressed nested P2SH worked The compressed P2SH nested keys only appear in Wallet Properties after closing and reopening it (Wallet Properties dialog)
3480  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happens if BU fails VS What happens if SegWit fails on: March 05, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if some of franky1's concerns are true, but cannot confirm this as it is way beyond my technical knowledge and expertise in this area.

FYI, franky has been having his "concerns" for 3 years and counting.


Do you know what happened to the issues that Franky used to complain about? He no longer complains. Because they were demonstrated to be unproductive trolling. When he finds they don't work, he simply switches to newer trolling strategies instead.

If you'd believed anything Franky had stated or predicted, Bitcoin would be hugely unsuccessful cryptocurrency with all the users abandoning it in fear and frustration. But it keeps becoming more popular, and more successful.
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