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3481  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 27, 2016, 02:59:02 PM
Okay. I'll clarify it so that even you can understand. But that doesn't mean that you have to understand, or that you will, or that you will admit that you understand even if you do. You can ignore what I say, as usual, and throw all kinds of false understandings on it as usual. Bit here it is spelled out. It isn't difficult...



Science fact is fact.
Science theory may be fact, or it may be fiction. We just don't know.

Science fact should be taught as fact. Why would we teach fact as fiction?

Science theory should be taught as it is, unknown. Therefore we should treat it as fiction until we know that it is fact. Why would we teach the unknown as fact when it could just as easily be fiction?

Science should be taught to all who are interested in science. Why not? We teach all kinds of things. Why not science?



Now here is the part that you are attempting to mix up.

All I said (albeit in different words) was that we should be teaching science theory/fiction for what it is... fiction and unknown... not as science fact.

The thing that is happening is, theory is being taught as fact... if only by implication. It would be better to not teach theory at all than to teach it as fact.



There is not a whole lot clearer that this can be made. If you are going to misconstrue what I have said because you are playing with the language, and trying to trip me up somehow, that shows that you are a deceiver.

If you truly cannot understand the point of it from what I have said, you need to go back to school. My job isn't that of holding your hand and straightening our your mind on understanding things like this. However, if you pay me enough... in advance... Bitcoin...


Smiley

Great but that was not really my question. I understood the distinction you made between science facts and science theory. Problem being I'm not sure I agree with it. Can you give an example of what you consider a science fact and what you consider a science theory?

And to think I wasted all that time on writing that whole thing.    Cheesy

I consider to be science theory, those things that the science papers say are science theory. Have you ever heard of the "Theory of Relativity?" Or the "Big Bang Theory?" It isn't my idea. It doesn't have anything to do with what  I "consider a science fact and what" I "consider a science theory." the scientists themselves, being rather honest about their science occupation and calling, say it themselves.

Smiley

Well then... We already teach them as theories. I don't see why you're saying we should teach them this way, it's already the case then no?

And by the way, I see what you mean but they're reaaaaaaaaaaaaally closed to being pure facts. Most of these theories (especially quantum ones) are the closest as it's possible to "fact" for theories.
3482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 27, 2016, 02:38:12 PM
Okay. I'll clarify it so that even you can understand. But that doesn't mean that you have to understand, or that you will, or that you will admit that you understand even if you do. You can ignore what I say, as usual, and throw all kinds of false understandings on it as usual. Bit here it is spelled out. It isn't difficult...



Science fact is fact.
Science theory may be fact, or it may be fiction. We just don't know.

Science fact should be taught as fact. Why would we teach fact as fiction?

Science theory should be taught as it is, unknown. Therefore we should treat it as fiction until we know that it is fact. Why would we teach the unknown as fact when it could just as easily be fiction?

Science should be taught to all who are interested in science. Why not? We teach all kinds of things. Why not science?



Now here is the part that you are attempting to mix up.

All I said (albeit in different words) was that we should be teaching science theory/fiction for what it is... fiction and unknown... not as science fact.

The thing that is happening is, theory is being taught as fact... if only by implication. It would be better to not teach theory at all than to teach it as fact.



There is not a whole lot clearer that this can be made. If you are going to misconstrue what I have said because you are playing with the language, and trying to trip me up somehow, that shows that you are a deceiver.

If you truly cannot understand the point of it from what I have said, you need to go back to school. My job isn't that of holding your hand and straightening our your mind on understanding things like this. However, if you pay me enough... in advance... Bitcoin...


Smiley

Great but that was not really my question. I understood the distinction you made between science facts and science theory. Problem being I'm not sure I agree with it. Can you give an example of what you consider a science fact and what you consider a science theory?
3483  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Woman stabbed while helping immigrant children on: January 27, 2016, 02:00:42 PM
we must sink their boats, shoot them at the borders, round them up and dump them back in libya and turkey, whatever it takes to get rid of them. the survival of europe is more important than the "human rights" of these invading vermin who are majority adult male syrian draft dodgers and paki freeloaders.

im not sure if youre trolling or not? but if youre not trolling this is quite too much, why not just limit theyre movement or give a specific law just for them, they may not understand it but explaining the purpose of the law will clear things up a little.

As I said it's already the case... Immigrants are limited to move on the country welcoming them. Europe or not, they don't have the right to move to another country. The law is already here. And is already applied.
3484  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Woman stabbed while helping immigrant children on: January 27, 2016, 12:45:50 PM
I'm reading papers and (as every other day) news about a girl being stabbed and killed by a 15 year old boy in the centre for immigrant kids without parents. Then right below an article about migrants in Austria, where they we're not following the rules of the pool, breaking the inventory and were going into women dressing rooms, and of course the leftist party and socialist are critisizing them... Who's insane here? I was saying this from the start, what to do with them, we kill them and skin them. Dress the cold, feed the hungry.. Joke, It's a joke, but seriously, what's going on with Europe? What do you think, will something happen after Angela Merkel leaves and someone new, with different views replaces her?

Sigh...  Roll Eyes

Ok let's do this again. Seems like the flow of people yelling "wtf is happening in Europe?" will never stop.

1- what do you want to do? Kill/refuse every immigrants coming? (not sarcastically judging you. Real question here)
2- Don't you have the impression that the immigrants are like a very tiny little problem compared to how banks and great capital is fucking us?

1. No, but the identification of migrants. Who doesn't have an ID can't turn around or go to some other country. Letting them flood the Europe like this, without knowing who's who. But the worst part is their culture, they need to be told that they need to adapt to our culture, not for us to adapt to theirs. Sure why not, if you came from the war fucked up country (some of them), you can't refuse/resist and play the racism card...  It was small when it started, now it's something bigger.

2. Seems like the flow of people yelling "omg these capitalistic pigs, they're all bloodsucking jews! Hurting mah people! " will never stop.

1- Well, good news folk, that's already what we're doing... We're already setting them all in camps, but the fact is most of them have no desire to stay in those refugees camps forever so they leave and go around. An asylum seeker has no right to go around in Europe, he must stay in the country he was welcomed in, but if he doesn't care about the law what do you want to do? Re make European borders and watch them?

2- Did I mention the Jews? I mentioned banks, you talked about Jews xD
And You say whatever you want, banks are getting money directly printed by European Central Bank at 1% interest rate then they lend it to countries at rates between 2% and 15% for some countries. I dare you to call this anything but thief! Debt interest is repayment is 45 billions in France! With that money we could have the current social care system capitalists are yelling at, improve our education, give homes to people in the street, jobs to unemployed and we'd still have enough money to integrate correctly immigration!
3485  Other / Politics & Society / Re: should women be blamed for wearing daring dress thus reason they were raped on: January 27, 2016, 12:37:58 PM
Not such a bad question.

I'd say a woman wearing daring dress knows the effect it will have on men. It was invented for that sole purpose.
So such woman shouldn't blame later any man having a daring behavior.

The limit being, again, set by the law. You shouldn't be blamed for looking at such a woman and even daring asking her out. She doesn't like it? Well that's her problem. She says men are pigs? Well she shouldn't dress like a sow. (ever seen how much more insulting "sow" sounds? i mean feminists always yell everywhere that men are pigs but try calling a woman a sow you gonna see what you gonna see xD).

But again, any physical contact or insult are a crime in the eye of the law. So as you're question concerns rape, well the answer is rather obvious. She could be naked that wouldn't make any difference  Smiley

"your liberty stops where the one of others begin". You don't touch her liberty by looking or whistling, at least not more that she's doing by her look. But that's all you have the right to do to a stranger without its consent. Anything more is, and should always be, forbidden and punished.


I thought we evolved and lived in some cultured world... not primitive jungle. But by this, we can beat the shit out of every muslim who wears that robe just because we don't like that and him dressing like that should know the consequences of wearing something like that. Do you realise how stupid that sounds?

Did you actually read me?
No, by this you have every right to look with desaprobation a Muslim but not to touch him or insult him!
What I said was, quoting myself: " You don't touch her liberty by looking or whistling, at least not more that she's doing by her look. But that's all you have the right to do to a stranger without its consent. Anything more is, and should always be, forbidden and punished."

Do you realize how different it is from what you're accusing me?
3486  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Woman stabbed while helping immigrant children on: January 27, 2016, 11:42:51 AM
I'm reading papers and (as every other day) news about a girl being stabbed and killed by a 15 year old boy in the centre for immigrant kids without parents. Then right below an article about migrants in Austria, where they we're not following the rules of the pool, breaking the inventory and were going into women dressing rooms, and of course the leftist party and socialist are critisizing them... Who's insane here? I was saying this from the start, what to do with them, we kill them and skin them. Dress the cold, feed the hungry.. Joke, It's a joke, but seriously, what's going on with Europe? What do you think, will something happen after Angela Merkel leaves and someone new, with different views replaces her?

Sigh...  Roll Eyes

Ok let's do this again. Seems like the flow of people yelling "wtf is happening in Europe?" will never stop.

1- what do you want to do? Kill/refuse every immigrants coming? (not sarcastically judging you. Real question here)
2- Don't you have the impression that the immigrants are like a very tiny little problem compared to how banks and great capital is fucking us?
3487  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: January 27, 2016, 10:13:47 AM


The mempool is at 102MB and growing. What happens when it does overflow the servers memory?. Is there some flushing mecanism or the computer get the blue screen of the death?.

What happens with that txs?

What does even mean the size of the mempool?
3488  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Denmark to vote on tough migrant law as Nordic refugee welcome wanes on: January 27, 2016, 09:55:08 AM
The EU is ended, Every country for itself, Stand up, Europe. Fight for your lives and those of your daughters.


Lol. Sure. Terrorism is so horrible xD
That's the end of our civilization for sure!  Grin

Not yet, but it will end of our civilization for sure. I'm not joking. ...and zenitzz is right, we have to stand up for our values and hard won liberties, before in the name of the holy political correctness our politicians will strip our rights, liberties and ruin our culture.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude...

Terrorism makes absolutely no damage. It's just the media that makes their butter with this info, and politics are too happy to have something to talk about which is not how they rape the country.

The only one enemies are the banks. Without the banks sucking our economy, we would have no unemployment and no social debt. Then we could welcome and integrate easily all those immigrants.

Instead they close factories after factories, grow bigger and bigger and so are our debts. And they point at the migrants and the few attacks as the ones responsible for how close to death our countries are. And the people actually believe them...
3489  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Denmark to vote on tough migrant law as Nordic refugee welcome wanes on: January 27, 2016, 09:02:25 AM
The EU is ended, Every country for itself, Stand up, Europe. Fight for your lives and those of your daughters.


Lol. Sure. Terrorism is so horrible xD
That's the end of our civilization for sure!  Grin
3490  Other / Politics & Society / Re: should women be blamed for wearing daring dress thus reason they were raped on: January 27, 2016, 09:01:16 AM
Not such a bad question.

I'd say a woman wearing daring dress knows the effect it will have on men. It was invented for that sole purpose.
So such woman shouldn't blame later any man having a daring behavior.

The limit being, again, set by the law. You shouldn't be blamed for looking at such a woman and even daring asking her out. She doesn't like it? Well that's her problem. She says men are pigs? Well she shouldn't dress like a sow. (ever seen how much more insulting "sow" sounds? i mean feminists always yell everywhere that men are pigs but try calling a woman a sow you gonna see what you gonna see xD).

But again, any physical contact or insult are a crime in the eye of the law. So as you're question concerns rape, well the answer is rather obvious. She could be naked that wouldn't make any difference  Smiley

"your liberty stops where the one of others begin". You don't touch her liberty by looking or whistling, at least not more that she's doing by her look. But that's all you have the right to do to a stranger without its consent. Anything more is, and should always be, forbidden and punished.
3491  Economy / Economics / Re: US Debt Has Exploded on: January 27, 2016, 08:44:21 AM

insert thank you gif.

It's like nobody understands how insane it is to have a market exchanging 20 times the amount of goods that actually exist. It always creates a bubble, exactly what happened with the subprimes. The exchange market was 20 times the real one, banks where betting on bet of bet of bet of bets of subprimes. It doesn't work like this...

Well it's a global scam and a ponzi scheme, what did you thought it is?

Bernie Madoff was Mother Teresa compared to the other banksters.


The global debt/asset ratio is more like 2300% if we calculate the derivatives in Cheesy

Well I wouldn't call him a saint ^^

But truth is banks are screwing the world, and still people are here whining about terrorism, immigrants and shit like that...

Hang the bankers, then you'll see it'll be far easier.
3492  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 27, 2016, 08:39:22 AM

Well, all our science works extremely well. Which means it's all a reliable fact?

It is a fact that science theory works well as science theory. If it didn't work well as science theory, it would be removed from the designation as theory. Much of science theory has been so removed.

   Smiley

Soooooooooooooo... Why shouldn't we let teachers tech science in school?

Are you asking me? Why do you bring this up like this? Just full of questions aren't you?

Don't you think we should let teachers teach science in school? Personally I think that we should instruct teachers to teach science in the schools. What do you think?

Smiley

Well that's what you said:

Most of the atheists are men of reason, they have logical explanations on how things work. Religion gives you a way to identify unexplainable things or events or at least unexplainable for you or your family. It's like magic of old is science of today. Unexplainable things before are now being expounded by science so as unexplainable or intangible things are being covered by religion whilst atheist have their own reasoning behind everything.

But the religion of science theory and atheism is worse than the bad parts of formal religions... except for violent Islam, that is.

Smiley

So you want back to the days with no evil science or what the rest of us call the dark ages.
Rather, let's go back to the days when science fact was the thing that was advertised as truth... not science theory, which might be fact or might not... and shouldn't be considered truth until it is proven.


Or maybe you're talking about something else but that's not clear. You're talking about "science theory which is not the truth". What are you talking about?
3493  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Denmark to vote on tough migrant law as Nordic refugee welcome wanes on: January 27, 2016, 08:35:48 AM
Yeah yeah, it wasn't the banks that let these criminals in, I'm all for refugees being helped, however letting pretty much anybody run over the borders? You have to be absolutely stupid to let that happen if you're running a country. You can't argue this from a humanitarian angle when a chunk of these guys are going around and assaulting women and children, not unless you're a dishonest and heartless prick. I find the way the left in particular likes to paint anybody who talks about this problem as being racist particularly disgusting because it just shows you they're trying to shut down the debate and aren't interested in looking at the problem.

Nothing to see which racism, all to see with intelligence and pragmatism.

You got two choices, you welcome them and try to integrate them, or you try to close your borders and forbid them to come. I'll give you a hint, only in France we've got 3 000km of borders. What do you want to do? Put soldiers everywhere to watch the borders?

It depends entirely on the individuals, there's no way a blanket system will work, what doesn't work though is forcing intergration or segregation either way, some people find that they naturally just prefer hanging out in familiar surroundings while others adapt more readily to other countries. Letting anybody in however especially if they are from a warzone and could potentially be criminals or terrorists is not a realistic option has has been demonstrated. One thing this whole situation in Europe is forcing politicians to admit, is that forcing this kind of mass immigration on people just doesn't fucking work, had they been let in a bit at a time and processed properly with their backgrounds checked I think there would have been a lot less chaos.

That's what authorities try to do. But to do that you've got to spot the refugees coming, then check them slowly. It takes lots of time and ressources and it can work only if the refugees stay where you put them. And even if, when one people is refused, what do you do? You send it home? Well it's already what we're doing. And that's why they're coming secretly and illegally. And you can't stop that :/
3494  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 26, 2016, 05:35:06 PM

Well, all our science works extremely well. Which means it's all a reliable fact?

It is a fact that science theory works well as science theory. If it didn't work well as science theory, it would be removed from the designation as theory. Much of science theory has been so removed.

   Smiley

Soooooooooooooo... Why shouldn't we let teachers tech science in school?
3495  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange with USD EUR GBP JPY CAD BTC LTC XRP NMC XDG STR ETH on: January 26, 2016, 05:26:10 PM
Hello Kraken support,

I'm a new customer here. I like your interface and your features.

But I've got a problem. It's really hard and unreliable to access your pateform. Maybe 75% of the time I got a "no data available" message and even sometimes a 502 gateway error.

Is there anything I can do? Cause here I can't really count on your services.

Best regard!
3496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 26, 2016, 03:30:26 PM
I think btc will boom in the near future.

Look at the altcoin market people.

I think shit is gonna hit the fan soon.



i just do not see how bitcoin can do anything if it can't scale.. right now i am trying to figure out how cutting the mining of coins will make a difference if bitcoin cannot scale. last year we were talking about this scaling issue was supposed to be fixed early this year.. we are moving into February and where's the fix ?? bitcoin is worth $400 even though it cant scale ..

Sorry if I seem stupid but... What do you mean about scaling? The fact that blocks are full?
3497  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 26, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
Most of the atheists are men of reason, they have logical explanations on how things work. Religion gives you a way to identify unexplainable things or events or at least unexplainable for you or your family. It's like magic of old is science of today. Unexplainable things before are now being expounded by science so as unexplainable or intangible things are being covered by religion whilst atheist have their own reasoning behind everything.
THANK YOU!
Science evolved and moves forward - religion barely tries to adapt.
How about religious people mind their own business, and like the LGBT community do their thing behind closed doors, atheists also will do what they must - everybody's happy and doesn't step on each other's toes.
Religious people always try to convert atheists when they are the ones that should take example from the atheists - live and let live, and do not force on anyone your beliefs. In time truth shall come forward.
I'm sure there was a time when electricity was considered something from the devil, and now everyone watches TV and uses washing machines so please - go to church and leave us alone.

Religion is like a dick. It's fine to have one, but don't show it publicly and don't shove it in our children throats  Grin

My desire exactly. Quit forcing kids in school, and adults in college, to learn the science theory religion as truth, just so they can get an education to get a job.

Smiley

Ok problem is that I can't let you alone, I still have to check your stupid comments otherwise I feel sick thinking that you're allowed to talk.

So science is another religion then? And if science is wrong how did we make computers? The internet? How the fuck are we communicating then?

You are particularly dumb today... but it might be usual for you.   Cheesy

Neither fact nor theory are religion, be they science or anything else. Religion is when somebody takes something fictional or potentially fictional, and treats it as though it were truth.

Science theory might not be fictional; but it might be. We don't know. That's why we call it theory. When people treat science theory as fact, they are making a religion for themselves. They are increasing cosmological theory as religion in light of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUA7XS0TvA.

How shameless you are. I can show you so easily the stupidity of your thinking. But you don't even get embarrassed. You simply go on to the next stupid, unthinking thing you have to blabber about.

Smiley

So where is the limit between fact and theory? What do you call a true and reliable fact, and a theory?

You'll know it when it works... or when you have so much pain or pleasure that you can't stand it.

Smiley

Well, all our science works extremely well. Which means it's all a reliable fact?
3498  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 26, 2016, 02:49:58 PM
Most of the atheists are men of reason, they have logical explanations on how things work. Religion gives you a way to identify unexplainable things or events or at least unexplainable for you or your family. It's like magic of old is science of today. Unexplainable things before are now being expounded by science so as unexplainable or intangible things are being covered by religion whilst atheist have their own reasoning behind everything.
THANK YOU!
Science evolved and moves forward - religion barely tries to adapt.
How about religious people mind their own business, and like the LGBT community do their thing behind closed doors, atheists also will do what they must - everybody's happy and doesn't step on each other's toes.
Religious people always try to convert atheists when they are the ones that should take example from the atheists - live and let live, and do not force on anyone your beliefs. In time truth shall come forward.
I'm sure there was a time when electricity was considered something from the devil, and now everyone watches TV and uses washing machines so please - go to church and leave us alone.

Religion is like a dick. It's fine to have one, but don't show it publicly and don't shove it in our children throats  Grin

My desire exactly. Quit forcing kids in school, and adults in college, to learn the science theory religion as truth, just so they can get an education to get a job.

Smiley

Ok problem is that I can't let you alone, I still have to check your stupid comments otherwise I feel sick thinking that you're allowed to talk.

So science is another religion then? And if science is wrong how did we make computers? The internet? How the fuck are we communicating then?

You are particularly dumb today... but it might be usual for you.   Cheesy

Neither fact nor theory are religion, be they science or anything else. Religion is when somebody takes something fictional or potentially fictional, and treats it as though it were truth.

Science theory might not be fictional; but it might be. We don't know. That's why we call it theory. When people treat science theory as fact, they are making a religion for themselves. They are increasing cosmological theory as religion in light of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUA7XS0TvA.

How shameless you are. I can show you so easily the stupidity of your thinking. But you don't even get embarrassed. You simply go on to the next stupid, unthinking thing you have to blabber about.

Smiley

So where is the limit between fact and theory? What do you call a true and reliable fact, and a theory?
3499  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 26, 2016, 02:48:46 PM
if it reaches $1000 i will dump 150btc, call it a day and do something else with my life. even if it reaches the sun later, no regrets. ive tried enough

Many people will dump around $1000. That is psychological resistance. See the dumps of 27/11 - 28/11 2013.

It's rather logical. That's why I always put my orders a few dollars before the too round numbers xD

That is why dumps also occur at prices like 950$, 1050$, 1040$.  Smiley

Yeah xD

And that is why you've got to find the real dumping price and get few cents before/after ^^
3500  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 26, 2016, 02:36:53 PM
can anybody has a decent explanation about why the price is moving up and down $388 to $405???


for one thing: price cannot go below 350 .. or below 300 ... its hovering in the rest spot safe zone where it is too high to buy and to low to sell ... bitcoin is in gimpmode right now cuz of blockchain cant scale and the halvening .



Yeah seems like scaling is frightening lots of people, though I don't really understand why ^^'

So as far as I'm concerned, I let my money on exchange but I let it in USD not btc. Just because I'm not too sure of what's happening. Think lot's of people are like me right now.
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