4h and 1h MACD suggest a moderate dump possible in the next hours.
Possible or likely?  The price is very healthy at 590-600$, it shows there are a lot of new buyers and that those who hold believe in the coin and will hold until 1000$ for some, a few thousands for others and more for some Doesn't mean anything, we'll still be stuck at 600ish.  Stuck to 600 till auction results. After that, todamoon. Mentioning the auction, has any info been released? Nothing substantial afaik. Only Silbert mentioned some data about the syndicate bids. But only counts (42? really?), not sizes. |
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Ich habe 1 cent pro coin geboten. und dafür $200.000 von einem US-Bankkonto überwiesen? |
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those coins will be sold off-exchange, so it has no price influence.
yes it does,.. indirectly and with latency, but it does: the off-exchange sale satisfies a demand that would otherwise be present (in some way) on the exchanges. It's all connected. |
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Okay, also die BTCs und gewissen Altcoins ein Jahr in einem extra Wallet liegen lassen. Und falls man dringend mal was umtauschen will die 25% abgeben.  Welche 25%? Es wird nicht Abgeltungssteuer fällig sondern Einkommenssteuer (Einkommen aus privatem Veräusserungsgeschäft). Also irgendwas zwischen 0% und 45%. |
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Wie soll das ganze dann mit Altcoins aussehen?
Beispiel:
1)für 400€ 1 Bitcoin gekauft
2)auf diversen Exchanges Altcoins gekauft und nach einer gewissen Zeit in Bitcoin zurückgetauscht (5 BTC)
3)Nun werden diese 5 Bitcoin zu einem schlechteren Kurs verkauft (350€).
Was ist mit Altcoins die man direkt mit FIAT kaufen kann?
Ob man die Altcoins direkt mit FIAT kaufen kann spielt glaube ich keine Rolle. Streng genommen ist meiner Ansicht nach der Kauf von ALT für BTC als Verkauf von BTC (für EUR) und Kauf von ALT (für EUR) zu bewerten und vice versa. Lass mich dein Beispiel konkretisieren... 1.) Kauf 1 BTC für 400 EUR (Kurs: 400 EUR/BTC) 2a.) Kauf 10 ALT für 1 BTC (Kurs: 10 ALT/BTC) 2b.) Verkauf 10 ALT für 5 BTC (Kurs: 2 ALT/BTC) 3.) Verkauf 5 BTC für 1.750 EUR (Kurs: 350 EUR/BTC) ...und eine Gewinnermittlung machen (Annahme: EUR/BTC-Kurs zum Zeitpunkt 2a.) und 2b.): 375 EUR/BTC, ich ignoriere mal die "Jahresfrist" und nehme an, alles passiert innerhalb eines Jahres)... 1.) Kauf 1 BTC für 400 EUR. Bestand: 1 BTC zu Anschaffungskosten 400 EUR/BTC, 0 ALT2a.) 2a1.) Verkauf 1 BTC für 375 EUR, Realisierter Verlust: (375 EUR Veräusserungserlös - 400€ Anschaffungskosten = -25 EUR. Bestand: 0 BTC 2a2.) Kauf 10 ALT für 375 EUR (Kurs 37,5 EUR/ALT). Bestand: 0 BTC, 10 ALT zu Anschaffungskosten 37,5 EUR/ALT2b.) 2b1.) Verkauf 10 ALT (Kurs: 187,5 EUR/ALT). Gewinn: 10 * 187,5 EUR Veräusserungserlös - 10 * 37,5 EUR Anschaffungskosten = 1.500 EUR). Bestand: 0 ALT, 0 BTC 2b2.) Kauf 5 BTC für 1.875 EUR. Bestand: 5 BTC zu Anschaffungskosten 375 EUR/BTC, 0 ALT3.) Verkauf 5 BTC (Kurs: 350 EUR/BTC) für 1.750 EUR. Verlust: Veräusserungserlös 5 * 350 EUR - Anschaffungskosten 5 * 375 EUR = 125 EUR. Bestand: 0 BTC, 0 ALT...und summiere den zu versteuernden Gewinn auf... aus 2a1.) Verlust 25 EUR aus 2b1.) Gewinn 1.500 EUR aus 3.) Verlust 125 EUR -------------------------- Gewinn 1.350 EUR richtig? Wie könnte man's sonst machen? |
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fundamentals aside, what do you guys think of this technical pic of silver?  |
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any news ? why not to take action for lawsuit. it 's a shame for bitcoin community  we need to learn from our mistakes. |
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The krona has halved in value since the banking crisis of 2008 Auroracoin has lost 99.9% of it's value since March. What to choose , what to choose? I choose AUR, because the loss of value is a result of the free market. The loss of value of the krona is a result of central authority decisions. |
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great video. most notable insights I share with Wences are: - In pre-money times, barter has not been used. They tracked debt to run their economies.
- The first stage in which bitcoin is going to develop is store of value, not payment mechanism
- Bitcoin volatility is a feature, not a bug
- EDIT: the honey badger of use cases is bitcoin <-> fiat cash local exchange
- EDIT: protocols have very strong network effects, money has very strong network effects, a protocol about money has very very strong network effects
Those last 2 2nd and 3rd point are explained around 12:40 - 14:00 in the video. Here's a claim I cannot believe: - Today we're at 100,000 people a day buying their first bitcoin. (14:40)
what? Where's he getting this number. Seems way too high to me. |
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 wth. looks like a bug to me. |
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Boom. Big B.
You're exaggerating, as you do often. But it's a good sign, yes |
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When can i start posting trains, 610 or 620?
620 please. 681 |
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Going to $1000 by July 4th. Or Now
I believe. A friend of mine, whom I told many months ago about BTC, said she was praying and God told her, and it appears with a feeling of urgancy, to invest in Bitcoin.  Now that is bullish news! Is that for real?  Also it would be nice to see 800 by end of June but not real at all. Yes. My friend called this morning. I trust her too based on other things God has spoken to her. It was weird that it was today, the day before the silk road coins are being auctioned. She knew nothing about that. I had to walk her through the entire process because she did not even know where to buy coins. I did caution her she might be in for a bumpy ride. Bitcoin is not an ivestment for those that like a slow and steady ride. I'm not sure god knows where bitcoin is going. |
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bitcoinwisdom auto-scale doesn't like me:  anyone know how to fix the scaling so I can actually see bars? |
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SWAP demand wall also can be faked
"Placing huge swap demand walls is not that hard if even if you're not a whale. An idiosyncrasy about BFX is that you can stack multiple swap demands as long as they're each smaller than your tradeable balance. So even if you have only 1 bitcoin and an effective tradeable balance of $1000, you can just place a swap demand of $1000 a thousand times to give a wall of one million dollars. Give it a try, it costs nothing just to test it out. "
I just tried this. Doesn't work as advertized. |
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Better to spare the whole coins into the US population for free than auctioning it and let some billionaire to buy them all.
Why? Why the US population and not the world population? They were stolen from the world population after all. |
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You borrow USD to buy coins. You borrow coins to buy USD (this is shorting BTC).
Or you can borrow all available USD and not buy coins, just to deny these funds to real longs. Then you can borrow all available coins and short, pushing the market down. This would show as the market dropping due to a lack of buying, which is what TERA has been pointing at for a while now.
To make things even more complex, anything you put in your trading wallet can be used to borrow against at BFX, weather is it USD, BTC, or LTC. For example, you could have LTC in your trading wallet and borrow the USD value of that LTC to go long on BTC. If you look at the Chart Blitz posted, it doesn't appear that the borrowed $ (on balance) has been used to purchase BTC otherwise the price would have moved up as margin increased. Right? That doesn't follow, does it? There could've been selling pressure absorbing the demand. In other words: maybe the market would've dropped without the longs being opened. In fact it makes sense people would open longs even when the market is falling. |
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I wasn't implying this, I haven't explored this thought. If someone was manipulating this way, it would be extremely expensive to maintain with interest of 0.1-0.2% per day at least. It seems to me those long positions have been built (in substantial part at least) below $600. Since finex allows only 2:1 leverage they not be zhou-tonged above $300. Correct?
1) 2.5 lever, I thought. 2) You're forgetting the substantial interest rate on USD 3) There might be some 'safety net' for the margin requirements... don't know. Any active finex traders can clarify? 4) I hoped as well that most of them got in sub-600, but I'm not so sure anymore. Thing is that a cascade (positive feedback loop) can be triggered at a certain point depending on bid depth. So you'd need to know the point that would start the chain reaction, and not the point that the most optimal buyers (and yeah, interest rate goes on top of that) went in. We also might need to add that most people will probably put stop loss order well above their liquidation point. EDIT: frankly I've been waiting for such a cascade (like in late 2011 with bitcoinica) of forced long liquidations for a while now, but it seems we haven't reached the point yet. There might also be countermeasures in place by bitfinex people who can predict this using their data. |
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USD loans don't necessarily mean a long BTC position.
Correct. It also does not mean Bitcoin exclusively (some will be in Litecoin, but likely negligible). But they are usually so expensive to maintain that longer term they can pretty much be equated. And short term, we can assume that the vast majority is tied up in Bitcoin longs. Are you guys implying that people are taking out loans and not using them for BTC longs, but instead just holding them? Why? To remove demand? |
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This is insane.  So maybe that's how we're going to go up this time... One huge short squeeze, when price gets near 530 again, leading to a drop into the 400s, and, hey!, we have our 2014 SR event You mean long squeeze. It seems to me those long positions have been built (in substantial part at least) below $600. Since finex allows only 2:1 leverage they not be zhou-tonged above $300. Correct? |
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