Bankers and stock sharks are polishing brass on the Titanic. But thanks to their rampant greed and corruption pushing the system to failure, they will hang themselves by their own petards soon enough for their actions.
The phrase is " hoist by their own petard". A petard is a type of bomb, and the phrase refers to what happens when the bomb goes off prematurely (the user is "hoist" skywards, ie, blown up in the literal sense).
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Send me 15K and I'll launch an ASIC satellite into orbit that is nuclear powered and can mine at 15000 TH/s.
Yes, I said nuclear powered. I am willing to break the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 just for you, the customer.
Sorry to disappoint you, but that's not actually illegal. The Outer Space Treaty specifically prohibits the use of nuclear weapons in space, not nuclear power plants. Many satellites and space probes are, in fact, nuclear powered (using atomic batteries instead of fission reactors, due to the latter being too massive to conveniently lift into orbit).
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It works, all you have to do is run Bitcoin-Qt with the -gen command line option. It just doesn't work well. It uses only your CPU, which is ludicrously inefficient. Assuming you have a very fast CPU, it is likely to take nearly a century of constant mining to find a block this way (unless you're unlucky, in which case it might take several centuries). The only reason this option still exists at all is because the Satoshi client is required to have all the functionality required to run the network (including mining), so that other developers can see how it works.
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For all of you bitcoiners big talk about taking down bankers and replacing government fiat, all you've managed to do is make it easier for pedophiles, violent criminals, terrorists, and drug traffickers to get paid, hide, and move money.
You should be super proud of yourselves.
We sure are. We invented a new technology, and it works. As a government agent, I believe it's your job to keep the general public safe if our inventions should happen to fall into the wrong hands. But it doesn't seem like you're actually doing your job. All you're doing is standing around complaining about the problem that you're in charge of fixing. Does your boss know about this?
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I don't think you understand how this works. Folding@home already has funding. You contribute by having your computer runs simulates folding various proteins and drug simulations for the project, which in turn is used by scientists around the world for various types of disease research. In fact, the project has been extremely successful.
You know why it's successful? Because people can buy these computers, and electricity to run them, and pay scientists' salaries. You know how they do that? With money. I still have no clue why you think any of this is relevant to the discussion, but whatever.
You have no clue why the importance of a secure and functional financial system in a modern society is relevant to a discussion on the merits of devoting resources to said financial system instead of other projects those resources could potentially be used for? Wow. And you're allegedly an SEC agent? You really ought to turn in your badge. Tell them it's because you suck at getting clues.
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Wait so you're selling 5000 for 0.5? Might not be a bad idea to list an auction on here or sell them to users of bitcointalk, would love to fill a swimming pool with those . Very nice looking, I have to say that I prefer "Vires in Numeris" over "strength in numbers" though. Best of luck with the sales and have fun at the conference No, no, no - NOT a swimming pool. You want to build a big, square vault-like thing, with one huge coin mounted on one exterior wall. Then you fill the vault with these coins and dive in - just like Uncle Scrooge. Hmmm. A Casascius coin, twenty feet in diameter. How cool would that be? It's not a liquid!
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Yes. Important research that has to be paid for with currency of some kind or another, just like everything else of benefit to society.
What exactly does that have to do with anything? Are you actually implying that because cancer research cost money, it shouldnt be done? Or just that you refuse to help if you arent personally getting paid? Either way, you sound like an awful person. I'm saying it won't be done if it can't be paid for. What, do you actually think all those labs and microscopes and doctors just fall for free from the sky or something?
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No. Not at all actually.
You basically just handwaved away important research that has a measured benefit to society, for an internet currency that is mainly used for black and grey market goods and services. Still sounds pretty asinine to me.
Yes. Important research that has to be paid for with currency of some kind or another, just like everything else of benefit to society. Money makes the world go 'round. You, of all people, should understand that.
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What are you smoking? Something that makes spheres look flat, obviously. That line actually doesn't go anywhere near Mecca. It just misses the east coast of Brazil. It's the northernmost point of the Pentagon that points towards Mecca.
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What a waste of energy.
It's a shame this computing power hasn't but put to something useful, like Folding@home or Rosetta@home.
The only "waste" here is your lack of understanding. Leave him alone. He's only an SEC agent, after all. It's not his job to understand the need for security in financial systems... oh, wait.
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Line 96 contains the following... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIBCURL_CHECK_CONFIG(, 7.10.1, , [AC_MSG_ERROR([Missing required libcurl >= 7.10.1])]) -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Any ideas on what I should do next? Thanks.
Well, installing libcurl would probably be a good start (especially as the README says it's required). On Ubuntu run: sudo apt-get install libcurl4-gnutls-dev (or use your favourite package manager to install libcurl4-gnutls-dev)
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It is totally nonsense, because you cannot compare a bitcoin ASIC with a supercomputer but sssshht, don't tell them, saying "omg bitcoin is moar powerful than supercomputers" is cool It's not totally nonsense, as it's a perfectly valid comparison if you're talking about the risk of a 51% attack posed by an entity with access to a bunch of supercomputers (spoiler alert: none at all ).
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A single investment can not possibly have such an effect as to cause a shift in the total value of money, that's only the result of the cumulative effect of all investment the overwhelming majority of which are outside any one investors control (unless your now in favor of communism). From the perspective of the individual investor the value of money is the same if you make or do not make the investment, it is thus a classic tragedy of the commons ware the individual incentive is to do the 'wrong' thing from the wider group perspective.
The increase in the value of money happens not because investors are deliberately trying to bring about that effect, but simply as a natural consequence of them trying to increase their own wealth by investing (the invisible hand strikes again). Companies invest in means of increasing their own production, to sell more goods. As best as I can tell, what jerye is trying to prove is that because the same supply of money is buying the same supply of goods, there is no increase in value to be had anywhere, and therefore investing is pointless. But increasing the supply of goods while the supply of money remains the same increases the value of money (because each unit of currency can buy more goods), and that's why investing can produce a net increase in value (not that it always does; I initially got sidetracked by that point).
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I have 10 in my pocket now. Let 10 = x. If I invest 10, I invest x. If I didn't invest the 10, how much would I have? 10, which is x.
What I invest = 10 What would I have if I didn't invest? the 10 in my pocket.
Is 10 = 10 not the same quantity? Is there something wrong with this assumption? Sorry I'm not getting where you're coming from.
Wrong. If you invest 10 in something that increases the value of the currency (ie, something that makes goods cheaper, such as a more efficient manufacturing process), then that 10 (in nominal terms) is suddenly worth more than 10 in real terms, eg, if the value of the currency doubles, it is worth 20 in real terms. Let us postulate two alternate universes, Alternate Universe A, in which your investment increased the value of the currency, and Alternate Universe B, in which you didn't make that investment, and so the currency did not increase in value. $10 from Alternate Universe A are certainly not the same as $10 from Alternate Universe B if dollars from A are worth more than dollars from B. I honestly can't help you if can't figure that out.
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Greed is the only way to motivate people, its an unfortunate reality.
Ah, I guess we better close down Wikipedia then. And all other open source programs for that matter. Greed doesn't mean money. Greed means finding things that make you happy, and trying to obtain them. It is greedy to contribute to Wikipedia for the pleasure of proving people wrong on the Internet. It is greedy to contribute to open-source projects for the fame of having your name appear on the credits. It also looks pretty good on your resumé, improving your job prospects. Double greedy!
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Sorry, you seem to be misinterpreting a lot of these. Firstly it doesn't matter how you label 2 consecutive periods. It can be period 1 and period 2, today and tomorrow, period 0 and period 1, period t and period T, 2011 and 2012, etc. Its just a reference to 2 time periods.
It does matter when you label them the exact same thing. If t=0 and t=T, they're all zero. t=0 means t is zero. It doesn't mean anything else. t=T means T is the same thing as t, which is also zero. For the first part:
y comes from investing x in the prior period. We both agree that the nominal value of what we have now decreases, thus the x that we had in period 1, in nominal terms would be worth more than y period 2, hence x > y. Suppose instead of using x to buy 1 good in period 1, we invest that and get y in the next period and y = 2 goods, then instead of investing x in period 1 we save it and bring it forward to period 2, because x > y (we both agree on this, the nominal value we get from investing anything is a lower nominal value next period, why? because of the limited supply of money) and y = 2 , then it follows that x > y = 2, i.e. we would be better off not investing.
But you can't use x to refer both to "what you invest" and "what you would have if you didn't invest", if x increases in value if you invest and does not increase in value if you don't. They're two different quantities. Secondly,
No one said I'm investing 10 and "instantly" getting 8. I don't really get where you come across me saying non-zero period of time. Using 2 time periods again, period 1 and period 2. Both time periods can have a start and end (i.e. Jan 2011 and Dec 2011, Jan 2012 and Dec 2012, 2 time periods). At the start of period 1, we have the choice of investing 10 or saving 10. If we choose to invest, the return we get is at the beginning of period 2, the return of which is 8 (once again, we both agree the nominal value of what we are holding drops if we invest). If we choose to invest, we get 8 in period 2 which we can use to buy 8 goods. BUT what if we decided to just put the 10 into our pocket at the beginning of period 1 instead of investing it? THEN at the beginning of period 2, we most certainly still have 10 of which in period 2 can buy us 8 goods + more. This proves we are better off putting the 10 in our pocket instead of investing.
Not if the real value of the currency increases. In that case, the 8 you get by investing can be used to buy 16 goods (because the currency increased in value as a result of the investment), as opposed to the 10 you get by not investing which can only buy 10 goods (because, by not investing, the currency did not increase in value). 16 goods are better than 10, last time I checked.
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I invest x today which buys one output so tomorrow I can get double the output for which the value is y. If y < x...
Hold it. If y is twice the value of x, then, by definition, y is not less than x (assuming positive values of x and y). ...(we both agree in nominal terms we have less money), then it is certainly better I not invest x in the first place because y = 2 output and x > y, thus x > 2 output.
Impossible. x is 1 output, remember? How, then, can it be greater than 2 output? Oh, right, because you assumed that y < x when the opposite is the case. Consider 2 periods t=0 and t=T.
Those aren't 2 periods. Those are just three ways of writing the number zero. 0 is zero, t is zero, and T is zero. Any any real positive value at time T will hold for time t=0 irregardless of the nominal value, wouldn't you say so? If I invested 10 at t=0 and get 8 at t=T and at t=T, 8 buys me 8 goods, wouldn't that 10, I spent at t=0, if saved and spent at t=T buy me 8 goods + more?
Uh, yeah. "Saving" 10 for a zero period of time is better than "investing" 10 and instantly receiving 8. Not exactly what I would call a good investment, though. Or a good savings, plan, for that matter. "Saving" and "investing" is generally something that you do for a non-zero period of time (at least, that's the way I do it). What was this supposed to prove, exactly?
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This is the fatal flaw in the model. In any real economy, not all participants have access to the same information. People with access to good information can profit at the expense of those who don't, by buying undervalued investments and selling overvalued ones.
The point, my dear Watson, is that either way you are more profitable by doing nothing. No I'm not. If I have information that nobody else has, I am more profitable using that information to make better investment decisions than everybody else. Everyone else is losing money by lacking this information, so it is more profitable for them to try to acquire this information, assuming it is not too expensive (the cost of information is the main reason (and if you assume everyone acts rationally, the only reason) for the market being a game of imperfect information in the first place). Either way, it is most certainly not profitable to do nothing. This model also neglects the changing value of money. Suppose a company invests in more efficient manufacturing technology, and can produce twice as many goods as a result. Since the money supply is constant, the same amount of money is now buying twice as many goods, or in other words, each unit of currency is worth twice as much in terms of goods. So even if the company has not gained any money in nominal terms by its investment, in real terms, it has doubled its wealth (along with the wealth of everyone else using the currency).
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7. Assume perfect information and n buys all x goods produced by firms.
Whoops, I missed this. This is the fatal flaw in the model. In any real economy, not all participants have access to the same information. People with access to good information can profit at the expense of those who don't, by buying undervalued investments and selling overvalued ones. I don't see how that's "conflating away the issue" or "irrational", that's just common sense. (It also allows one to put an exact price on the act of acquiring good information, but that's another story.)
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I do think LTC was too conservative with their memory size. They were trying to keep it in L2 cache to keep it targeted at general purpose processors, but I think they would have done better requiring a few hundred megs per core.
Nope. That would just put CPUs at a disadvantage compared to an ASIC with a single core and the largest cache that will fit on the die. You can't win.
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