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3521  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 25, 2016, 11:34:31 AM
Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times.  Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny.  Then the bear came in.

Next.  Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Smiley

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...

My stupidity hasn't matched yours by a long shot (pun intended). Haven't you ever heard of close-range guns?

Smiley

Your point being?
3522  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 25, 2016, 11:15:04 AM
this is an interesting argument, some times avoided, some country allow to easy to access to weapons, there should be more restriction, in USA it is so easy that everyone can buy one of those gun, they often call it a far west for good reason, i think that there can't be good gun control, because this things are born to kill and when you face the death you will do everything to survive, and your control will not be 100%, your focus is only on your survival nothing else, so it is easy to hurt someone that ahs nothing to do with your dispute, especially if it happen in pubblic, like in the usa or russia

Obviously you know nothing of gun purchase procedures in the USA.

Just saying.

Well maybe it's not true and we have a wrong vision of it. When you watch Bowling for Columbine it's really amazing to see that opening a bank account can lead to receiving a gun xD
And the fact that ammunitions are sold at the hairdresser.... It's incredible!
3523  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 25, 2016, 11:13:12 AM
Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times.  Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny.  Then the bear came in.

Next.  Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^

Now you are trying to tell us that people don't get killed by bears, because most bears haven't had enough training? It's more like bears don't usually have enough incentive. If bears aren't baby bears, they instinctively have all the training that they need.

Smiley

Dude, your stupidity reaches the sky well done.
I was talking about the fact that "at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun". Not about the bear...
3524  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 25, 2016, 10:54:03 AM
I don't think he will realize it. Talking with BADecker is like talking to a drunken guy. When you think you proved your point he just changes subject cause "you know that's how the universe is"  Cheesy
3525  Economy / Economics / Re: America's new debt ceiling - $19,600,000,000,000 on: January 25, 2016, 08:53:02 AM
That is a hell of a lot of debt. I bet those people in debt haven't bought Bitcoin cause they waster their money on some other shit.
I don't understand how they could have that much debt. It is just soo much.

Dude, it's easy. Banks control the world that's all ^^
3526  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 25, 2016, 08:51:58 AM
Military training is that at close quarters, an edged weapon is equal to a gun, reason is reaction times.  Reminds me of the three Afgan soldiers, each with AK47, who holed up in a cave for the night, even though it smelled a bit funny.  Then the bear came in.

Next.  Three dead soldiers.

Yeah but it requires incredible training, so it doesn't concern the vast majority of people ^^
3527  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 25, 2016, 08:44:15 AM
I don't hate religion as much as I hate the extremists in said religion... But I'll be honest, yeah, I'm not that fond of religion. It doesn't mean I don't like the more sane people following it, my whole family is Christian, afterall, but religion has caused so much hate and fear in this world already it'd be better without it.

Why be hateful at all.

You can find hateful people in religion. But you can find loving people in religion, as well. It's the same with the religion of atheism.

Smiley

You keep saying that atheism is a religion, and yet everyone I've asked IRL thinks atheism is *not* a religion. I'm pretty sure your definition of religion is very much a minority opinion, possibly even a minority of one in one billion.



Or even of one in the world. The very base of a religion is to believe in one or more gods. The very point of atheism is to refuse the existence of any god...

Seems rather obvious who's right here.
3528  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you support or oppose the death penalty? on: January 25, 2016, 08:42:31 AM
Funny how none of all of you death penalty supporter says that you agree to kill 5% of innocents.

So you're all ok with that? Doesn't matter?
3529  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 24, 2016, 09:25:12 PM
BTCitcoin Core, you ask?



Lol, I just hope it won't be so rough, that's nearly rape here xD
3530  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 23, 2016, 03:05:01 PM


Well, you cannot substantiate "totally crazy."  It's okay that you feel that way, I am simply indicating that those are just your opinions - they are not facts.  You may be frankly, fearful of something you don't understand.  Something you have been told is fearful.  I do know people like that.  

However, there is ZERO crazy or fearful about some number of licensed persons walking around carrying firearms.  Zero.

I get the impression you live in a very cloistered, urban environment.  Never been to a range and fired any kind of firearm.  Don't know how they work or what actual dangers they post.  You have never been close to a roaming bear.  Never been surprised by a poisonous snake a few feet away.  Never been hunting.  Never gotten lost driving, found yourself in a neighborhood that you knew was seriously dangerous.  

That's my impression.   That you would like to expound on a subject that you don't know anything about.

Nothing wrong with that, really.  But it's extraordinary that you would claim authority to tell others how they should live their lives, on a subject you don't know anything about.

LOL...

You're more or less right, never went hunting and I live in a city. Already went to a range and use a few firearms as a hobby, didn't find that really fun though, especially considering the price xD
Already got lost in a "non safe area" but fact is that... There is no really such things here in France. Cause even in unsafe areas, well the "bad guys" have no guns so police feels safe enough to patrol regularly here too.. So you don't really feel safe but you also no that you're still rather safe and that nothing will happen statistically....

Really?  I've heard of the Gangs of Marseilles from all the way over here.

I don't believe you.

Believe it or not ^^

I studied in the north of Marseille for three years, so in the "dangerous district". Nothing ever happened there.
Yeah there are gangs in Marseille, but they don't do much most of the time. It's just that as ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ever happen in other cities (talking about fights with guns here, not saying it's only peace and love), the fact that a gang fights another one once or twice a year is a big news for us xD

Anyway, there is still around 50 murders by firearms in France every year, so of course it has to happen somewhere. And most of them happen in few districts of Paris and North zone of Marseille. But I lived there for three years and nothing happen 99% of the times. Just that when something happens it's more likely to be there.

 This website shows crime in France to be about 10% less than that in the USA.

http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

That's a very, very slight difference compared say to (US or France) versus South Africa.

However, suppose you look at homicide rates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade

Here the USA is perhaps average (5/100,000) but France is on the low side (1/100,000).

country - total - homicides - suicides
USA 10.64    3.55  6.70
France 2.83    0.21 2.16

It looks to me like the criminal in France is more likely to attack with a meat cleaver than a gun.  But the person intended to commit suicide finds it easier to use a gun than a meat cleaver.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


Of course that's why I was talking only about violent crimes. It's not because there is gun control that there will be no thief anymore. But the idea is that they don't use guns. So it's much less dangerous (believe it or not a knife is less dangerous than an mp5) so there is a lower homicide rate.

Crime rates, taking all crimes into account, is more a question of social and economic situation. And on this point I'd say we're slightly better but frankly speaking it's just an impression. I think we have more or less the same economic state.
3531  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 23, 2016, 01:18:42 PM


Well, you cannot substantiate "totally crazy."  It's okay that you feel that way, I am simply indicating that those are just your opinions - they are not facts.  You may be frankly, fearful of something you don't understand.  Something you have been told is fearful.  I do know people like that.  

However, there is ZERO crazy or fearful about some number of licensed persons walking around carrying firearms.  Zero.

I get the impression you live in a very cloistered, urban environment.  Never been to a range and fired any kind of firearm.  Don't know how they work or what actual dangers they post.  You have never been close to a roaming bear.  Never been surprised by a poisonous snake a few feet away.  Never been hunting.  Never gotten lost driving, found yourself in a neighborhood that you knew was seriously dangerous.  

That's my impression.   That you would like to expound on a subject that you don't know anything about.

Nothing wrong with that, really.  But it's extraordinary that you would claim authority to tell others how they should live their lives, on a subject you don't know anything about.

LOL...

You're more or less right, never went hunting and I live in a city. Already went to a range and use a few firearms as a hobby, didn't find that really fun though, especially considering the price xD
Already got lost in a "non safe area" but fact is that... There is no really such things here in France. Cause even in unsafe areas, well the "bad guys" have no guns so police feels safe enough to patrol regularly here too.. So you don't really feel safe but you also no that you're still rather safe and that nothing will happen statistically....

Really?  I've heard of the Gangs of Marseilles from all the way over here.

I don't believe you.

Believe it or not ^^

I studied in the north of Marseille for three years, so in the "dangerous district". Nothing ever happened there.
Yeah there are gangs in Marseille, but they don't do much most of the time. It's just that as ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ever happen in other cities (talking about fights with guns here, not saying it's only peace and love), the fact that a gang fights another one once or twice a year is a big news for us xD

Anyway, there is still around 50 murders by firearms in France every year, so of course it has to happen somewhere. And most of them happen in few districts of Paris and North zone of Marseille. But I lived there for three years and nothing happen 99% of the times. Just that when something happens it's more likely to be there.
3532  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 23, 2016, 10:03:09 AM


Well, you cannot substantiate "totally crazy."  It's okay that you feel that way, I am simply indicating that those are just your opinions - they are not facts.  You may be frankly, fearful of something you don't understand.  Something you have been told is fearful.  I do know people like that.  

However, there is ZERO crazy or fearful about some number of licensed persons walking around carrying firearms.  Zero.

I get the impression you live in a very cloistered, urban environment.  Never been to a range and fired any kind of firearm.  Don't know how they work or what actual dangers they post.  You have never been close to a roaming bear.  Never been surprised by a poisonous snake a few feet away.  Never been hunting.  Never gotten lost driving, found yourself in a neighborhood that you knew was seriously dangerous.  

That's my impression.   That you would like to expound on a subject that you don't know anything about.

Nothing wrong with that, really.  But it's extraordinary that you would claim authority to tell others how they should live their lives, on a subject you don't know anything about.

LOL...

You're more or less right, never went hunting and I live in a city. Already went to a range and use a few firearms as a hobby, didn't find that really fun though, especially considering the price xD
Already got lost in a "non safe area" but fact is that... There is no really such things here in France. Cause even in unsafe areas, well the "bad guys" have no guns so police feels safe enough to patrol regularly here too.. So you don't really feel safe but you also no that you're still rather safe and that nothing will happen statistically.

Title of the thread is "what is your opinion of gun control?". So I come here and (as I love explaining my point of view) I give my opinion which is "gun freedom leads to a more violent society than gun control".

I still find strange that licensed persons walk with a charged weapon. I mean in Europe you can also have a weapon if you want (though it's incredibly much more complicated), but the principle is that you can't have it ready to fire on public. You must have it dismounted.
The question of having the right to own a license is not really the debate, the question is more how can you get that license. What are the requirements to own a weapon in USA? From what I saw, it's just "not being a total crazy dude" ^^
3533  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 23, 2016, 09:54:27 AM
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I never made that claim, you made that claim. In fact I explained why nations that are safe might also have an overall high crime rate, because crime rates include ALL CRIME, not just violent crime.

Making statements and claiming that I made them is another logical fallacy.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman


Ok on this one I absolutely didn't understand what you meant at first. So please accept my apologies here for not understanding this argument. Seems like my non-fluent English level led me to misunderstanding your point, which is valid.
3534  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 23, 2016, 09:50:13 AM
Gah, why can't stalkers quote me properly...

Oh, sorry I didn't take the time to add your name and post number above my quote, guess it totally changes the fact that you're wrong...


TECShare... I don't have the nergy to fight your bad faith. You're just playing on words and you know it. Facts are here:
-Number of mass shootings in the US: http://www.shootingtracker.com/Main_Page
-number of homicides per million: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people

So you have the fight to take any part of my speach and explaining how it is not perfect. But what you're claiming is "guns allow us to protect ourselves from bad guys with guns", seems like you don't understand that if guns are correctly controlled, no one have guns. And that's why the US murder rate per million is in the midle of Nigeria and Lybia.

For the part about government... It is, again, a question of faith and trust in your government. You got the right to feel the need to protect yourself against your government, but again, that's another debate.
My claim: "Gun freedom makes society more violent and more dangerous"
Your answer "Gun freedom allows the people to protect themselves against their government"

The two claims are compatible. Not the same debate. And as I answered previously, owning guns in case of a dictatorial government would only lead to huge civil war so I don't think you can call that safe.
3535  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: January 22, 2016, 09:31:31 PM

Yes easy; He's a stupid asshole too full of himself to even think about what you're saying.

Words are important: control them




I control them perfectly, look:

I think you're just another zealous extremist fanatic and you probably deserve nothing more than my scorn.

I say probably because you're maybe a good man, but from the way you express yourself, your incapacity to listen to other, I doubt it.
3536  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Chess forbidden in Islam, rules Saudi mufti, but issue not black and white on: January 22, 2016, 09:25:50 PM
I guess the mufti realized that if people playing chess, they will inevitably start thinking. A wahhabi who is thinking...?!? That would be the end of the world as they know it Smiley.

I think that it might also be simply because that's something close to distraction. And they don't want anyone to be distracted from God :/

But yeah result is the same. Chess is not important by itself. But I bet they ban everything developping your mind... That's what happens with religions...


"God does not play dice", said Einstein. Allah does not play chess, according to a saudi mufti...

 Cheesy Grin Cheesy



Ahahahah xD

You, sir, actually made me lauch  Grin Grin Grin Grin
3537  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 22, 2016, 09:24:05 PM

Well if soldiers and cops don't have guns... They're useless, a soldier without a weapon has no reason to be called a soldier. Just get them out.

There might also be a middle between "everyone can  buy an AK-47" and "no one can be armed, not even soldiers"...

When policy-makers can rely exclusively on a monopolization of force, the policies they make tend to leverage this advantage eventually.  One need not be a raving paranoid to look with discomfort at a society which is rapidly expanding a heavily armed domestic paramilitary while simultaneously dis-arming civilians as fast as possible in spite of the social strain that the project entails and the statistically insignificant nature of problems that the action claims to address.

I, for one, do not believe in the 'American exceptionalism' and certainly not that such a thing gives us a magic shield against the types of misfortune that have befallen the Soviets under Stalin, the Chinese under Mao, the Cambodians under Pot, etc.  For my part, if I had to choose between a civil war and a totalitarian dictatorship, I would consider the first to be the lesser of two evils and a tunnel which has light at it's end.  A realistic balance of power seems to me the best way to avoid having to make that choice at all.

And in a more here-and-now sort of a way, communities like mine are kept remarkably peaceful by citizens having the ability to protect themselves.  The minimal levels of state sponsored law enforcement serve a back-office function of dealing with criminals when time is not a factor while the front-line duties are handled quite effectively by law abiding citizens.  It is very efficient and works quite well.




I understand and respect your point of view. But you seem to forget one thing: no matter the example you take, shall it be Hitler, Staline or Polpot, the population had the chance to change things before it became a dictatorship.

Police officers and soldiers are part of the population too. One can not simply take over a country without the support of the population. Germany and Sovietic Russia or Mao China were horrible yes, but the three leader had a lot of support from their more or less brainwashed population.

So guns wouldn't matter here, if people had guns, they wouldn't have turned them against their government.

You see, I perticulary understand what you're saying as France is becoming closer and closer to a dictatorship.... First minister announced that the State of Emergency, giving much more power to the government (a bit like the Patriot Act which is something unbelievable here in France) will go on for a few month more, whereas the ending date was February.
But the fact is that... Even if we all had gun it wouldn't change a thing! Because most of people agree with the State of Emergency! So they wouldn't fight the government but support it!

As you said, an armed population in case of a huge governmental crisis leads to civil war. I prefer to believe in the democratic principles, saying that if more than half of the population wants it, they have the right to do it.
You've gutted logic to advance opinion.

Last night I had dinner in a restaurant with perhaps 200-300 people.  There was an armed security guard, likely ex marine or special forces.  There were no doubt four or five people in that restaurant with concealed carry weapons.  It was a nice place.  A place you'd bring your family to.

That's the USA in a nutshell.



I don't see the link with what you quoted...

But glad you went in a restaurant. And glad nothing happenned in your restaurant.

But I wouldn't bring my family somewhere 5 people have concealed weapons... Totally crazy country xD
(crazy for a European, don't get it wrong here)

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Your revisionist history to defend the indefensible violation of human rights resulting in 3.31001528944831x more violent crimes in the UK than the US, is duly noted.

Nope. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime

UK got less violent crimes than USA. Don't know where your number came from.
3538  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best trading places on: January 22, 2016, 09:15:49 PM
Hey all!

I registered on Kraken. It seems really cool and I'm looking forward using it.

But I've got a question. Is it normal I have server problem to access it?
It seems really unstable, I sometimes have a 502 bad gateway error. Is it normal or just the result of the panick buying/selling we encounter? ^^
3539  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2016, 08:44:37 PM


Yeah... your post is saying, I don't know how to read or think or to provide any information.... therefore, I would like you guys to read it for me and to tell me what you think.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't you have any thoughts? or are you just trying to get others to do all of the work for you?

Oh, I've got lots of thoughts! I just didn't want to sway anyone's unbiased opinion's with my firm support of a 2mb increase asap.
I think Hill has grave concerns that bitcoin is not doing what he wants it to. I think he has a lot of eggs in one basket and it seems like he believed he had spent enough money to ensure that his vision of bitcoin would be achieved. It seems as if he is now realizing that he 'made a huge mistake' think arrested development phrase.

I recognize that the article was published by coindesk which was recently acquired by barry silbert and that these two parties may have conflicting interests. However, to me, he came off as desperate. I say desperate, as compared to other notable figures in the bitcoin space, most still talk about how everything is great, things will work out, bitcoin will be scale, and the block size will increase. Hill didn't come off that way. I don't want to be dark, but I laughed when I finished the article.

However, with confirmation bias and the like, I wanted to see what others thought as I assume this is just my interpretation and not universally shared.

Don't worry, JayJuanGee doesn't know how to be polite ^^
3540  Economy / Economics / Re: America's new debt ceiling - $19,600,000,000,000 on: January 22, 2016, 08:43:02 PM
It's unbelievable they even reached this level.
Their governement is so ignorant about it. Instead of solving the problem they try to pass it along to the next generation and so on.. and so on.

I don't mean to investigate your private life but... Where are you from?

Yes their government is just a huge bullshit. But so are all governments of Western countries. I don't like USA but can't blame them here, any "developped" government is already totally corrupted and in the hand of private interests. They don't give a fuck about the debt as long as they're the ones getting the money.
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