Me to don't give a shit about attaching any kind of political ideology The site offer users to by Personally involved in attracting more people to the idea of bitcoin and freedom from the current financial system. The site is from the people to the people. And i don't think that we have too much information about bitcoins ,because bitcoin is the money of the Future and don't just Cheaper Bananas .
Your sites not going to attract anyone unless it's written in comprehensible English. I can't what the hell you're talking about - it sounds like you're trying to promote a multi-level marketing scheme. And everyone hates a spammer, so you might want to get a mod to merge your threads.
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Don't spam the forums. You've posted this to Newbies, Discussion and Economics so far.
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What would the site offer users that they can't already find on here, reddit, Bitcoin.org, Stack Exchange, the Bitcoin Wiki, Valadmir's forum, etc?
It sounds a bit like you're looking for people to write personal testimonials - unfortunately, that kind of promotion tends to make products sound very sketchy.
It's fine for you to regard Bitcoin as a disruptive technology and promote it as such, but keep in mind that a significant amount of users couldn't give a shit about attaching any kind of political ideology to Bitcoin - they just want a cheap payment method or to speculate on BTC for profit.
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You'd be better off posting this in Trading.
You need to open a support ticket with MtGox and you probably need to get a verified account with them before you can wire transfer that kind of amount.
Thank you, but of course, I have a support ticket, so I wrote all of my questions that way. No answer, nothing at all. Panda Mouse Do you have a verified account with them?
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You need to open a support ticket with MtGox and you probably need to get a verified account with them before you can wire transfer that kind of amount.
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Another day, another batch of silence.
So... are we to assume that those of us who haven't had emails confirming our claim have been put into the "pending" pile or the "fakes" pile?
It possibly has more to do with the time zone where the claims are being processed than anything else.
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MtGox confirmed with me via their support forum they will not refund money to Dwolla users who send it to them. I sent the money even before the rules went into effect and they indicated they would hold on to my money indefinitely, never giving it back, till I identified myself. I actually preferred having a non-verified account because of the withdrawl limits.
Dwolla requires merchants to apply more stringent KYC rules to their customers than they did in the past. You must have a verified account now if you're using Dwolla. Regardless of whether you sent the money before 25 May, that rule is going to apply to all transactions after that date - such as withdrawals. It's not even clear that Dwolla is going to continue allowing Bitcoin exchanges to continue using their service - it's rather pointless complaining about MtGox enforcing Dwolla's requirements.
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So, tell me guys, which one of you would be stupid to the point of getting $100k stolen and not report it to any authorities? Let's even forget the part that it was Bitcoin and all the legal mumbo-jumbo: Compromising computer systems over which you have no ownership is a crime in almost all of the civilized world. Why not file a report just for unauthorized access to a computer system? Also, how does Patrick know he was using "compromised servers as proxies"? Did he investigate, talked with the owners of those compromised servers? What?
This story stinks... just sayin'
One question is bugging me for the last days: Where was that VPS hosted? The VPS which gengix said lot's of people on IRC had access to and was the entry point for Patrick's email, you know...
This bothers me too. Computer intrusion is a crime in the US (as it is elsewhere in the Western world), especially if you mess with or delete critical records relating to customers (it's even listed on FinCEN as a crime). The HB Gary hackers were arrested and charged. People have been prosecuted for stealing virtual furniture from Habbo Hotel customers. The "but...Bitcoin" excuse really doesn't fly when a business has lost the equivalent of several hundred thousand customer dollars to intrusions in a few months and had their critical information destroyed.
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Yeah, I can see how that would work:
"Follow the rules!" "What rules?" "Sorry, as per rules, I'm not allowed to teach you." "Oh, ok, fuck you."
It's not exactly like that because there's nothing inherently illegal about pointing you to public information regarding the rules. The FinCEN website is full of information about the rules, cases where people have been prosecuted a a result of data received by FinCEN and cases where FSPs have been fined for failing to comply with and enforce AML requirements (the last is especially interesting because it helps clarify FinCEN's actual expectations as opposed to vague, broad principles). Similarly, AUSTRAC's website is also full of information about the various types of reports which need to be filed with them and under what circumstances. There's nothing "secret" about the rules - there are entire sections of the website devoted to explaining them (this is necessary because the Act itself and the Rules Instrument are quite confusing). If it seems like services often go above and beyond what is required by the relevant AML/CTF/KYC requirements, it's because the cases where service providers have been fined and/or prosecuted demonstrate that the regulating bodies expect a much higher level of customer identification and transaction monitoring than their "all about your obligations" type material for reporting entities first implies. Here's a list of cases where service providers have been fined for not adequately complying with AML/CTF/KYC requirements. http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/ea/Notice that even though Western Union was compliant in reporting "bright line" suspicious activity, it was still fined for having inadequate systems in place to detect and report structuring. Notice also that these fines have been applied as consent orders. That basically means that the services are accepting the government's interpretation of their obligations as being legally correct. The day will probably come when someone challenges such interpretations and the actual legal obligations of services are clarified by a court. Until that happens, though, services will continue to be cautious because the consequences of getting the whole "risk-based assessment" thing wrong are so huge. Here's a list of cases where FinCEN data has played a role in the prosecution of people for various financial crimes. You'll notice that not all of these involve what people traditionally think of as "money laundering". That's because many FATF member countries now regard using money from "any serious crime" as money laundering rather than specifying certain types of crimes as predicate offences. http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/sar_case_example_list.html?catid=00005And here's a basic flow chart regarding ongoing customer due diligence requirements in Australia. http://www.austrac.gov.au/img/ocdd_large.jpgHere's a basic primer on reporting obligations and what triggers them in Australia. http://www.austrac.gov.au/rg_9.html#iftihttp://www.austrac.gov.au/rg_9.html#faq
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The irony of Maria demanding money from zhou and the CoinExchanger website carrying this message is rich. Zhoutong from bitcoinica.com
Please refund the bitcoin community their bitcoins. Many people will lose faith in the network because of your fault. Do not damage the bitcoin image with your irresponsible business ways. For those with short memories, CoinExchanger claimed following the Linode intrusion that the hacker was dumping the stolen coins on his exchange and that they were his to do with what he wished. I paid for those 12K coins already. They are mine to do as I please.
Fincen does not regulate bitcoin. Nor any agency will investigate on the missing coins because lost bitcoins does not mean anything to anybody except for the person who lost them. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67044.0Apparently Leo and Maria's philosophy when it comes to Bitcoinica thefts is "do as we say, not as we do".
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Ok, so far the not-so-much news about what you state why and what for you need all that info on users.
Now I am much more interested what flags the KYC on users, which freezes their account and funds until they comply? I refuse to comply to your KYC policy. What is the max amount of combined funds I may have? What kind of "suspicious transfers" (?!?) will flag me?
Being able to calculate the risk on MtGox would be a plus, and may keep me from going to another exchange like Intersango.
Ente
actually this is a great suggestion. mtgox could make up for the increased scrutiny by educating us customers about all the subtle monetary transactions or moves that might trigger an audit by the authorities. this could go a long way to proving that gox is really on our side, not the gubmints. A great deal of this information is publicly available on the websites of FinCEN and other AML/CTF regulators. Because it's such a complex area, there are even flow charts, Power Point presentations, and newsletters highlighting current trends. There are also a great many summaries of cases which have been prosecuted using FinCEN data.
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The reason why Matthew N Wright wants me to shut up, is because he is involved with bitcoinica and according to him, he helped and advised Zhou in the process.
Matthew, you are included in the lawsuit. You knew about the shady deals going on behind the curtain and did not inform the community. How much money did you make by assisting this deal?
Maria.
First of all, "the community" isn't a collection of people to whom Matthew or anyone else owes any duty of disclosure. Second of all, apparently you also knew of these "shady", behind the curtain deals and told no-one. Third of all, this forum contains a permanent record of you seeking assistance to help people bypass Venezuela's laws regarding online purchases. I doubt you're going to be suing anyone.
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Is there a similar thing to http://www.greenid.com.au/ but not only for Australia? For example, Mt Gox probably wouldn't use these guys cause they have clients from all over the globe, and being able to hand off just your Australian customers may not make it worthwhile when you have a process in place anyhow for the other places. I'm interested in this sort of thing, but would like it to be a bit broader than Australia. If you have any other examples of companies doing similar work to greenid, it'd be great if you could post them in the OP so that there's some kind of central resource to find 'outsourced AML providers'... that would be handy for many upcoming bitcoin businesses to have access to. Thanks for posting this, it wasn't something I had previously considered. http://www.globaldatacompany.com/data-coverage
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http://www.greenid.com.au/ is one such company that specialises in this. I am sure there are others. I would be much more comfortable for transparency reasons using a third party to verify my private information than allowing the same company that does the exchanging to also verify my documents because they can simply claim your documents are fake. There is a perverse incentive to do so at the current moment. Might also be a business opportunity there to start such a thing ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Their services seem aimed at initial identification rather than ongoing customer due diligence, which is probably one of the biggest burdens reporting entities providing designated services face. For what it's worth, Australia Post offers in person 100 point ID checks, AML checks and customised ID checks in its own right. They verify that the documents have been sighted, record the details and send the completed form to the organisation requesting the ID check. Imagine an exchange that doesnt accept deposits or withdrawals directly from the public but instead uses "agents" to do it and the exchange merely organises the agents. A customer could deposit with agents who then notify the exchange, which doesnt actually handle any money itself , just takes a small fee from agents
Its basically an organised form of hawala. Hawala is already subject to AML/CTF requirements. Pretty much any system which seeks to hide the origin or destination of funds is going to run into problems with the Act on multiple grounds.
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What about the original topic, the payout: when will it start?
The continued silence on this question is especially annoying when the profiles of the general partners show them as having been online (phantomcircuit's last activity was only a couple of hours ago) recently. It's pretty galling for Bitcoinica customers to see Patrick posting in the Intersango thread but ignoring this one.
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I forgot that he openly posted that on the forum :/
I only remembered it because it being discussed in an open forum was a WTF moment and you asking to cancel the wire transfers and remove your money by another means made your behaviour look even more suspicious.
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Gox told me when I was being reported to the police :/ I have trouble believing anything you say. While Japan supposedly criminalises "tipping off" under its AML/CFT provisions, Mark did post this openly. Whether it would count as "tipping off" is up for debate I guess as he refers to "law enforcement" rather than JAFIC specifically or the filing of a STR (you'd think nations would standardise the terminology for these reports). Something you seem to not understand is that this is already a law enforcement matter. Your actions may be against the laws in most countries (at least Japan and USA) and threats are not helping much.
Anyway we reach a conclusion on the current investigation (which you can help by providing documentation explaining your multiple identities) not much can be done. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78244.msg872685#msg872685I'm not defending Goat. What happened was exactly the kind of activity which should trigger further investigation, but just because organisations are not supposed to make customers aware of reports to AML regulators and/or financial intelligence units doesn't mean it never happens.
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I hope you have plans to delete those IDs.
They will be deleted permanently once the issue is resolved, unless Bitcoinica Consultancy objects. In that case I'll also post relevant disclosure. Even though technically I didn't hold any stake in Bitcoinica, but since people submitted these documents due to the trust in myself, I think I have the right to decide what to do with the data. My own passport scan is also in the repository. I don't want to hand it to third parties either. There may be a legal limitation on their ability to delete it any time soon. They'd need to run that by their lawyers, but it may be several years before that information can be legally destroyed (it looks like it might be 5 years in NZ).
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By the way, the reason I am asking about wage/salary in addition to asking about the number of employed service representatives is so that I can get some idea of whether or not Mt. Gox can afford to hire additional personnel. I would be more interested in the average salary/wage paid to its customer service reps than specific salaries/wages. They did publish their financials in January. It's a bit of a pain to work out because they list some items in Yen, some in BTC and some in USD but they listed their monthly operational costs as JYen 5,000,000 (USD 62,900). They listed their monthly server costs including back ups as USD 5,000. https://mtgox.com/press_release_20120201.html
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Are you saying my claim is 99% Fake? All because I did not submit a claim form during the first week of this mess?
I explained to you why I patiently waited behind the scenes like others because we had faith in you and your service.
Very Briefly, We do NOT TRUST you anymore so we will NOT submit passports or any Identification to you. We have been doing business with you since the beginning and you NEVER ask me for any type of ID. You were content with my HUGE deposits and trading activity and I'm sure you didn't want to bother with little stuff like that. Now you are starting to bother me Zhou Tong.
Maria.
Why not spend some of that money which you would have used to buy Bitcoinica (*cough*) on a lawyer to file for injunctive relief? After all, you claim that they owe you ~$140,000 and you claim not to trust them - with all of your accurate records it shouldn't be a problem for you to get a court order preventing the from moving "your" funds until your claim can be properly heard. It would be more productive than getting into a pissing match on a message board and mean that you don't have to trust Bitcoinica at all.
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