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3541  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Untuk Newbie] Alasan Untuk Tidak Trading Uang Pinjam on: November 17, 2021, 08:47:00 AM
Pencerahan bagi saya yang baru melek trading dan hampir menghalalkan segala cara untuk punya modal main trading (walau masih dalam pikiran). Tapi initinya thread ini membuka pemikiran saya kalau jangan pinjam uang untuk trading, dan punya  harapan uang datang dengan cepat, padahal resiko bearish pasti ada. Jadi om, aku sekarang masih kumpulin uang dulu untuk main dengan minim resiko (bagi ku) artinya kalaupun ngga dapat, its oke, yang penting ga merugikan orang lain..
Ada metode yang dilakukan oleh teman saya untuk trading tanpa menggunakan uang pinjam, dan hasilnya saat ini dia opit cukup banyak. jadi, ia menyisihkan Rp100K setiap bulan untuk beli koin yang sudah listing di CEX besar seperti Binance/Indodax, dan dia memilih koin dengan harga yang murah, dan kebetulan juga masuk Shiba.

Dan temen saya ini baru memulai pada pertengahan tahun 2020, dia membeli koin/token kemudian tidak pernah ia apa-apakan alias di hold bukan ditrading.

tetep, ini hanya berbagi pengalaman orang lain, sisanya adalah tergantung kondisi market dan aktivitas trading yang Anda lakukan. DYOR.
3542  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Kripto 'Made in Indonesia' Mengudara on: November 16, 2021, 03:10:22 PM
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iya tapi kalo dari pengamatan ane orang orang baru di crypto sekarang suka punya mindset.
beli dan lupakan Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Ya, tapi lihat-lihat dulu mas apa yang akan dibeli untuk dilupakan, kalau dilupakan untuk jadi abu kan sayang itu duit. Justru saya berpikir sebaliknya, yang terjadi sekarang adalah mindset "to the moon di token micin". Ini adalah pikiran dari trader baru, ga di FB maupun Telegram, impiannya adalah 1, token micin bisa 1 rupiah. Kalau dikalkulasikan auto sultan. Dan ini dimanfaatkan oleh oknum dev asal Indonesia untuk membuat token yang bertujuan scam. Makanya, proyek Indonesia dipandang jelek sekarang, karena terlalu banyak kasus token-token yang diketahui asal Indonesia itu 99% scam.
3543  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- Group Stage! on: November 16, 2021, 01:50:21 PM
In my opinion, the treatment that Ole is currently receiving at Manchester is very different from that received by the previous Manchester coaches, and even a coach like Mourinho who was able to award the League Cup, and the Europa League to Manchester during his time, was not given a second chance at all by the managemen  and they immediately fired him and replaced him with Ole, unlike the case with Ole who was not able to provide achievements for manchester united, but they continue to maintain it until now.
Bro @masulum as we all know if all this time Alex Fergusson has been very supportive of Ole, is it possible that Fergusson's influence has made the Manchester management still keep Ole today?


This is an hot issue i think, so i decide to tried to find articles related to this, and i found several articles, like this one, there was says if Sir Fergie behind Ole who continued to manage the red devil. In several articles, Sir Alex met with Ole even facing the MU board to prevent Ole's dismissal despite losing 5-0 vs liverpool few weeks back. This seems to be the reason all along, why Ole remains at Manchester United, even he getting bad results. If Fergie believed in Ole, maybe he would slowly give education and share his "secrets" of his strategy to Ole.
3544  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is it possible to avoid all scams? on: November 16, 2021, 01:27:14 PM
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Maybe let's just accept the fact that no one can't get rid of those scams happening all over again. But we can prevent it from occurring so often so we won't always be losing our funds.
exactly, we can do prevention with several ways. this is just a basic ways,


Individual:
- Don't believe in investment offers from strangers
- Don't believe in doubling money
- Do not believe if they offer help let alone ask for a private key.

Project:
- Choose IDO/IFO/ICO projects on a trusted platform and have a project portfolio with strict conditions
- Avoiding APE in anonymous projects
- Avoid influencers you never know in real life

Exchanges:
- Use the exchange that is used the most by people around you, that's enough. don't make too many exchange accounts. because you indirectly reveal your identity in various places.
3545  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers on: November 16, 2021, 12:31:08 PM
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I don't expect Italy to achieve something big in the World Cup.Usually teams that have won a World Cup or a Euro fail at the next World Cup or Euro.Spain was the only exception(and maybe France in 1998 and 2000).

This is a terrible myth. Italy is the seeded team in Group C, and is predicted to qualify easy, without having to play in the Play-Offs, it turns out that the prediction is wrong, Italy still has to wait for the draw and of course hopes to find an easy opponent on play-off. I don't know what's wrong with Mancini and the Italian players. They were so bad in qualifying this time. If they fail in the play-offs, it will be a bad surprise and add the victim of that myth.
3546  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: November 16, 2021, 10:02:02 AM
Apa karena belum pernah tersentuh angka 98k makanya trasa agak berat Om. -snip-


Yup, melihat pasar saat ini seperti berat haha, tapi, seperti apa yang saya katakan beberapa waktu lalu, saya tidak menampik potensi tersebut bisa terjadi dalam 2 minggu atau 3 minggu ke depan. Ini adalah hal yang biasa terjadi kan. Cuma asumsi saya, kok kayanya sulit saja 98K di akhir November. tapi ya gitu, tergantung aksi pasar juga mau dibawa ke mana nih BTC.



-snip-

Kembali ke masa lalu pada 2017, pada minggu ke 2 November, BTC juga mengalami koreksi, setelah BTC menyentuh ATH di 7700.



Apakah ini adalah pola yang sama yang akan terjadi, sebelum break 90K di Desember mungkin, Cheesy
3547  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 15, 2021, 04:55:28 PM
AC Milan Year End Sale,Milan is rumored to be releasing as many as 5 players in the winter transfer market. Among these players are Gabia, Kessie, Castilejjo, Conti and Pelegri. For Kessie, it is now starting to be approached by clubs from Spain and also clubs from Italy. The average player on AC Milan's selling list is a player who plays minimally. Looks like Milan still needs a new team that can push Milan's performances better to reach the Scudetto
3548  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- Group Stage! on: November 15, 2021, 01:24:11 PM

I think ole should be sacked nonetheless, he is not of much help to the team right now. Even I think he is causing more problems for the team. A better coach than him would surely dupatta with this type of squad. I think it is time we should understand that.

If Ole had coached another club, he might have been sacked earlier in the season. But, MU still trusts Ole, this is evidenced by a new contract and an extension option. I don't understand what United expect and also their targets. If target is not the title or just need to finish in the Big Four, of course there is nothing wrong with MU's decision to keep Ole. However, fans are fed up with the results obtained by Manchester United since Ole became Manchester United coach. Is there Ferguson behind Ole, so Manchester United still believe in Ole, or is there another factor that strengthens Ole's position.
3549  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: November 15, 2021, 12:44:35 PM

Image source: Akurat.co

Rossi has officially retired from MotoGP, So Sad, can't see him race in My Country, because Indonesia is hosting MotoGP 2022 at the Mandalika circuit, a lot of Rossi fans here and hope to see his performance. Unfortunately, this dream could not come true. He is the legend and always be remembered by us with his skill and race records.
3550  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: November 15, 2021, 12:13:47 PM
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Sementara menurut PlanB, Harga masih on track, artinya prediksi bitcoin di harga $98K di november ini masih tetap menuju garis $100K. Walau pun begitu kita jangan percaya percaya amat dengan hal yang demikian. Tetap waspada!.


November sudah berada di pertengahan bulan, menuju 98K kok sepertinya sedikit berat ya, tapi saya juga tidak menampik kemungkinan tersebut bisa terjadi. Pergerakan BTC masih sedikit lambat, setiap ada kenaikan selalu ada bumbu fud, ya meskipun ga berpengaruh besar, tapi ini membuat pergerakan tidak begitu stabil, cuma kalau misalkan minggu depan ini bisa tembus ATH baru di 70K, kayanya akhir bulan mentok di 75K kalau trend berlanjut, ga tau juga sih kalau misal dari 70K membuat candle tower seperti pada 8 Februari, dari 37K dalam 1 hari bisa tembus 46K dan dalam 12 hari selanjutnya menembus 55K. artinya ada kenaikan sekitar 18K dari tanggal 8 Feb ke 20 Feb.
3551  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [Diskusi] Masa Depan dan Harga shibaInu on: November 15, 2021, 11:25:44 AM
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Salam To The Moon..

Doge adalah coin meme yang sudah memiliki komunitas besar dan investor corporate, dari awal koin launching, Doge belum bisa sampai ke $1, terhitung sudah hampir 10 tahun doge. Shiba memiliki banyak pasar tapi minim investor corporate untuk saat ini, kebanyakan adalah Moonboy yang hold. Jika tidak ada usecase, investor akan pergi secara perlahan. Moonboy poon hanya menyimpan token sia-sia. Jika pun bisa ke $1 menyaingi XRP, apa yang akan ditawarkan oleh Shiba, dan bisakah 15 tahun ke depan mencapai harga tersebut. Sedangkan jika kita invest dan hold di BTC, 15 tahun ke depan akan jauh lebih profitable sih kayanya.

hal seperti ini perlu dipikirkan kembali jika ingin invest jangka panjang. Dan jangan muluk-muluk pasang target untuk shiba $1, jika tahun depan harganya bisa Rp5 saja sudah bagus untuk Anda.
3552  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Football Fan tokens and gambling on: November 14, 2021, 02:20:38 PM
The use case of fan tokens for gambling is not because of the developer, but because of the owners of the gambling platform itself, if they see an opportunity to use fan tokens for the platform to attract more gamblers to join their platfor, so they will adapt that fans token. If you can see what happened to bitcoin and altcoins used by gambling platforms, then fan tokens have the same opportunity.
3553  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 14, 2021, 01:42:26 PM
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In Champions League, Juventus have better performance than I thought. It is contradictory with AC Milan's performance there. In this season, Juventus can be the strongest club of Italy in Champions League.

That's right, AC Milan is very difficult to face its opponents in the UCL. Being in a group that has a solid squad. BTW, AC Milan also has the opportunity to not be able to compete in UEL because in the current standings they are in position 4. In other side, Allegri can focus his team on UCL considering that in Serie A they are in a bad form.
3554  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: November 12, 2021, 04:30:30 PM
Experience is important but the way you treat players is another thing that could make Xavi more successful than Koeman.
Koeman pushed some players out of Barca, made others feel neglected and with Messi leaving and injuries it became a sad story for the team. Now Xavi can bring back the necessary confidence for the team and with the actual talented players, they should start winning more frequently.. Hopefully..

Experience important is true, but sometimes It's not about have experience or not, as long as the coach has a good strategy and fits the team's playing style, I don't think this will be a problem. When Zidane coached Madrid for the first time, who would have thought that Zidane could make a big difference for Madrid at that time, even though Zidane doesn't have experience as a coach.

Likewise Xavi, Xavi has been coached by great coaches like Rijkaard and Guardiola, from the experience he has gained, he can apply it to Barcelona. And I agree if this season, maybe Barcelona's target is to at least finish to play in the UCL. Team development will begin to be carried out by Xavi in the winter transfer market, and next season should be able to start back on track where it should be.
3555  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 12, 2021, 04:06:57 PM
Note sure about injuries.

It can be only a move to make them skip the international games and let them rest before the big game.
It is a common thing to do. Let's see how many of them will skip the game.

I say 0.

Are you sure? If the news of the injury of these 3 players is only to keep them out of playing for the national team, I don't think this is a good decision made by the club. Then, I think for players maybe playing for the national team is an important part of their career, if it has to be an injury rumor so as not to play for the national team, do the players agree with the club's decision?

or maybe it's just an injury that is not so serious, so against Milan did not play full 90 minutes, to avoid a more serious injury if forced.
3556  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Menyikapi Hukum Bitcoin di Indonesia on: November 12, 2021, 10:26:23 AM
MUI dan ulama di Indonesia masih perlu mendalami penggunaan crypto seperti apa. kemarin NU Jatim memfatwakan crypto haram karena hanya beli berdasarkan spekulasi, dan diikuti MUI mengharamkan kripto tapi statemennya ambigu yang membuat pembaca berita langsung memvonis crypto 100% haram, judi dan sebagainya. Media paham bagaimana cara netijen membaca, kebanyakan hanya membaca judul kemudian share dan membuat bumbu rujak sebelum dibagikan kembali.

Tapi, bagaimana pun, haramnya crypto ini sudah dikhususkan pada untuk melakukan pembayaran, yang sama saja sebutannya crypto illegal untuk pembayaran. Itu saja sudah cukup. Kalau jual belinya diharamkan, saya memiliki banyak landasan jual beli yang bisa mematahkan mengapa hanya beli crypto yang diharamkan karena tidak memiliki fisik. Bahkan, beberapa kali berdebat dengan teman sendiri, pada akhirnya mereka kalah dan kembali pada statemennya "judi", ini juga sama, kita mau beropini seperti apa pun dengan orang yang enggan menerima, maka hasilnya menjadi pembicaraan yang buang-buang waktu.

3557  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 11, 2021, 05:02:01 PM
Barella, Dzeko and Bastoni are reported to be injured, all three likely to miss Inter's clash with Napoli. This is certainly a big loss for Inter still waiting for the results of the treatment. Luckily, Inter still have some reserve players in the position left by the three players. This is good opportunity for Vidal, Sensi, Gagliardini and Vecino to be able to play.


Rumors from AC Milan, Romagnolli wants to stay at Milan and he will try to negotiate about his contract without Raiola. Anda he might be ready to cut his salaries for Milan.
3558  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Untuk Newbie] Perhatikan Ini Sebelum Invest Di Meme Token on: November 11, 2021, 04:09:43 PM
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Sekalipun yang hold sebagian besar tokennya developer, kemungkinan dump dan rugpul tetap ada. -snip-
Justru semakin banyak token yang dipegang oleh developer atau early whale, semakin besar peluang untuk terjadi dump, kalau dev lebih banyak rug pull, dump untuk menguras LP kemudian kabur tentu semkin tinggi. Makanya sering ada renounce di meme token untuk merayu user untuk melakukan pembelian. Karena renounce artinya tokrn sisa yang tidak memiliki alokasi dikirimkan ke burn address atau genesis address begitu pula dengan burn LP. Meskipun cara ini aman dari rug, tapi bukan berarti akan bertahan lama. Ada banyak token meme yang saya beli dengan memilih token yang sudah di renounce dan burn LP, meskipun ga rug, ujung-ujungnya proyek koid begitu saja.
3559  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Indonesia Tidak Ikuti China, Kabar Gembira? on: November 11, 2021, 04:00:30 PM
Jadi Indonesia ingin membuat FUD dengan keluarnya fatwa haram MUI, oke disini saya tidak mau membahas halal haramnya, tapi pernyataan nyeleneh yang dikeluarkan oleh MUI yang berbunyi:

"Dari musyawarah yang sudah ditetapkan ada tiga diktum hukum, yang pertama penggunaan cryptocurrency sebagai mata uang hukumnya haram karena gharar, dharar, dan bertentangan dengan Undang-undang Nomor 7 Tahun 2019 dan Peraturan BI Nomor 17 Tahun 2015," kata Asrorun dalam forum Ijtima Ulama. Arsip Page

Setelah saya telusuri, ternyata Undang-undang Nomor 7 Tahun 2019 adalah tentang pengesahan kerja sama Indonesia - Rusia, yang sama sekali tidak ada hubungannya dengan finansial. FUD receh yang justru akan ditertawakan oleh banyak orang. Harusnya perlu belajar ke China kalau urusan begini, haha

Lucunya, Cointelegraph juga ikut-ikutan nyebarin nih isu
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The National Ulema Council (MUI), Indonesia’s top Islamic scholarly body, has reportedly found cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin (BTC) to be haram, or forbidden, by the tenets of Islam. News - Arsip Page
3560  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥🔥🔥 [LOA] League Of Ancients [PLAY-TO-EARN NFT MOBA GAME] WHITELIST NOV 11st on: November 11, 2021, 08:12:33 AM
Wow, from the map preview shown, this will be the game I've been waiting for. I spent money on popular moba skins, without getting any rewards. if this game is really released, I will prefer to play this game. BTW there seems to be an error in the announcement design, the total supply on the web is 1B, but the design says 1M.
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