Η θεμελιώδης ανάλυση του Bitcoin συνηγορεί προς μεσοπρόθεσμη καθοδική τάση, τουλάχιστον για όσο διάστημα δεν λύνεται το πρόβλημα της επεκτασιμότητας. Σημαντικά εγχειρήματα όπως to Storj και ο περιηγητής Brave εγκαταλείπουν το Bitcoin και στρέφονται στο Ethereum. Χαρακτηριστικά οι εκπρόσωποι του Storj δήλωσαν: «Όσον αφορά τις πληρωμές παρόχων του Φεβρουαρίου, πληρώσαμε πάνω από $1600 σε τέλη συναλλαγών, ή περίπου 13% του ολικού ποσού. Αυτό δεν είναι διατηρήσιμο ή επιδεικτικό μείωσης». Σταδιακά η κοινότητα χρηστών του Bitcoin συρρικνώνεται. το storj που το είδες ρε φίλε ότι πάει σε ethereum? Αφού ήδη είναι σε counterparty εκτός αν θεωρείς ότι όλο το counterparty θα πάει σε ethereum πράγμα εξαιρετικά απίθανο. Ποιο εύκολο το βλέπω να πάνε σε sidechain η lightin network. Και κάτι άλλο να σε ρωτήσω. Αν αύριο η τιμή του κάθε ehtereum είναι 1000 ευρώ πόσα νομίζεις θα ήταν τα fee του. Για δώσε μου αφού τα γνωρίζεις όλα μια απάντηση.
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Roger Ver hasnt replied yet. Maybe or definitely, he is Bluffing. Just wants to create Panic by saying that he will dump his 300k BTC on market. but market is too strong.
If he is true & truly believes in SHITCOIN UNLIMITED, he should accept this deal.
\ it will be a celebration day when this clone dump his bitcoin and get lost forever from bitcoin. No one need this joker to be around.
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This sounds like a great deal for both of us. I look forward to ironing out the exact details and terms. I'm super busy for the next 48 hours, but would love to connect after that.
is waste of time anyone to speak or negotiate with this clone troll. Bitcoin Unlimited is Official DEAD and he know about this.Stick his fork to Ver's ass and move on
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και έχει και συνέχεια Για να καταλάβουμε όλοι πόσο απίθανοι είναι οι τύποι στο BU. Για να προστατευτούν και καλά από την ανοησία τους πλέον ο κώδικας του BU έγινε closed source δλδ κλειστού κώδικα . Αυτή η ενέργεια τους παραβιάζει κατάφωρα την άδεια χρήσης του λογισμικού του Bitcoin ακόμα και την ΜΙΤ άδεια που έχει. Νομίζω μόνο η freebsd άδεια λογισμικού επιτρέπει να πάρεις open source κώδικα και να τον ενσωματώσεις σε δικό σου closed source. Ανετα μπορεί αν τους κάνει κάποιος μήνυση γιαυτή την ενέργεια τους. Αλλά οι τύποι είναι τόσο απίθανοι που το τελευταίο patch στο bug που θέλησαν να κρύψουν ήδη τους διέρρευσε
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..... έχει και συνέχεια Δείτε οι τύποι τι έκαναν για να κρύψουν τον κώδικα ειλικρινά πλέον παρακαλάω να γίνουν fork από το Bitcoin asap. Θα γελάμε μαζί τους για χρόνια όταν το κάνουν
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Και μετά το site και νέο attack στα BU node που αυτή την στιγμή έχουν προκαλέσει για άλλη μια φορά το μαζικό crash τους καθώς λιγότερα από 300 είναι ακόμα σε λειτουργία και μειώνονται συνέχεια. Το πρόβλημα δημιουργήθηκε από αυτό εδώ το bug https://github.com/BitcoinUnlimited/BitcoinUnlimited/issues/386το θέμα είναι ότι αυτό το bug βρισκόταν μόλις 6 γραμμές κάτω από το προηγούμενο αλλά από τι φαίνεται οι developer του BU απλά πετάνε αετό Και μερικοί θέλουν να μας πείσουν ότι το BU είναι το μέλλον του Bitcoin.... lol
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για καμια ώρα πήραν τον έλεγχο του site hacker. Μπορεί να έχει γέλιο αυτό πουη ανέβασαν αλλά είναι αρκετά επικίνδυνο αν ελέγχουν τα link για το download των wallet τους»
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The solution is actually simple (in concept, if not in implementation): A mature non-segwit version of the Lightning network needs to be deployed NOW, with the segwit malleability protection requirement being added in the future when segwit activates. That way it can be made clear to miners that segwit is NOT required to create a 2nd layer network and LN can be created whether they want it or not. Alas LN isn't actually production ready yet and most implementations have segwit in mind (is my understanding at least.)
Look, I am one of the biggest BU supporters here and I would have no problem with LN + bigger blocks! That way the market can at least have some free choice how it wants to scale. But you have to understand core delayed delayed delayed.... They could come out TODAY and capitulate and propose a blocksize increase and it would probably end this war...but they are so stubborn and arrogant that they will fight to the end, even if it means trying to fight after a fork happens, even if it means destroying Bitcoin in hopes that they remain in control. if they are in control why segwit not activate until now?
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the most of ppl in bitcoin ecosystem seems to be happy if you guys fork off the network because it seems you are the most toxic ppl.
lol first you blockstreamers spread fear of a fork.... then you beg and demand a fork yet the non-blockstreamers want to remain as one independant diverse consensus single network. so i will just laugh at all the fear then begs of fork hypocrisy yeah...ok...whatever
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you are not worry about miners that will central control fee market and you afraid about lighting network?
LN has a niche.. as a voluntary side service i do fear blockstreams TIER control and pushing people into blockstream managed LN hubs due to independant LN hops being more costly You are not afraid about the governance new system from Bitcoin Unlimited with an elected president,
alot less fear than blockstreams president. BU wants to work with other peers on a level playing field and if core dropped blockstream dominance. so that core is back on the same level playing field by core ading a few lines of code to by dynamic capable. then it decentralises and diversifies the network back to independance where the network has no president. even if the "team" of each brand do... even with ministry of propaganda and you afraid the developers that maintain bitcoin for 8 years now?
core came around 2013 (4 years).. assuming core are the 'satoshi crew' is misleading false and a major laugh the most of ppl in bitcoin ecosystem seems to be happy if you guys fork off the network because it seems you are the most toxic ppl. Even in this post that made to anyone discover the root problem from miners action, even and here you came to spread your conspiracy lunatic theories. gz... :p You will not miss you after the day zero of BTC. That for sure
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λετε να ξαναμιναρουμε παλι BTC με cpu-gpu? από τι λένε ένα cpu mining θα ήταν καταστροφικό γιατί θα μπορούσε να γίνει πολύ εύκολα attack το bitocin από τις μεγάλες κυβερνήσεις. Μπορεί να είναι ένας νέος αλγόριθμος που θα απαιτεί από το μηδέν καινούργιο hardware από τι διαβάζω. Για να δούμε. Τουλάχιστον θα μπορέσουμε να κάνουμε ξανά όλοι mining αν συμβεί αυτό
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The solution is actually simple (in concept, if not in implementation): A mature non-segwit version of the Lightning network needs to be deployed NOW, with the segwit malleability protection requirement being added in the future when segwit activates. That way it can be made clear to miners that segwit is NOT required to create a 2nd layer network and LN can be created whether they want it or not. Alas LN isn't actually production ready yet and most implementations have segwit in mind (is my understanding at least.)
LN's issues are not solved by segwit. LN has other problems and attack vectors. many dev groups have been playing with possible LN's ever since the existence of multisig. the real problems of LN is not malleation, or quadratics. but instead 1. lack of guarantee a tx gets added to a block (like any tx for the last 8 years) 2. address-reuse (signing many times allows the LN counterparty to consturst possible privkey from the data that gets signed multiple times within an LN for the ln counter party to sign both sides without the first parties consent) 3. the UTXO count of say 1 billion people depositing into a multisig = 2billion UTXO's (each channel having 2in-2out) 4. multiple other blackmail/extortion risks multisigs are not 'broke' but nothing segwit offers guarantee's fixes either. but the big picture is not about just getting LN live for user adoption as a voluntary side service. its to get core in control as the top tier upstream of the network. and also biasedly in control of what gets relayed to ensure their LN hubs reign supreme. you are not worry about miners that will central control fee market and you afraid about lighting network? You are not afraid about the governance new system from Bitcoin Unlimited with an elected president, even with ministry of propaganda and you afraid the developers that maintain bitcoin for 8 years now?
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for many ppl lighting network will have a huge rise to transactions and to miners fees. I dont think Jihan not know this but they like the great opportunity that gives BU to miners to control fee market block size forever. The next question is why Jihan is such in hurry for this? Because we can all agree that BU is completely broken with many flaws and can work as it is now. Why he is in hurry? What he is afraid to happen if the time pass?
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BU never has and never will want contentious or bilater splits.. if they did they would have set deadlines set threasholds addd ban hammer code
but no. non-core implementations want to use the real consensus of bitcoin to be part of a PEER network.
it is core that hate the other peers, it is core that prefer a TIER network where they are the upstream filters it is core that have the deadlines the zealous ban hammer scores the bip9 and UASF banning triggers it is core that have begged non-core implementations to split but they laughed at core devs.
in essense it is core that are having the fear of losing their chance of being in control of a TIER network and having to either be part of a consensus PEER network, or activate their own banning mechanisms to start their own alt.
just ask yourself. BU, classic, xt and a dozen other implementations have been happily plodding away for 2 years on mainnet just leaving it up to the community to decide if they want it or not.
yet core have done all they can to drum up the drama and point fingers and play the victim card while desperate to push their money making LN hubs into action while keeping bitcoin native utility at a minimum to force it.
yeah the answer is Aliens...
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the problem is that will never fork off that easy . the only can happen is bitcoin to be stall for the next months, years? who knows
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