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361  Economy / Marketplace / Re: bitcoin groupon on: March 22, 2011, 03:03:25 PM
You mean, a site where I can register that I'm willing to buy ### BTC worth of goods/services from Vendor X if they'll start accepting it?

Definitely a good idea. If you just make a bare-bones site, I'll prettify it for you---I'm pretty decent with layout, but don't know how to maintain a database.

If others want to help with the phrasing and the FAQ and such, we could make a real project out of this.

The only caveat is that we should try and make sure people don't back out of their pledges. Pledges alone are good enough to start with, but some sort of escrow would be ideal. If Vendor X is promised 200 BTC in sales and he only gets 30, no one will trust the site in the future.

Everyone: don't make promises you aren't going to keep!
What if there was an option for vendor feedback. They should have a place to make an announcement that they accept bitcoins so the pledges know they can start buying. An RSS feed would allow pledges to not keep checking back. An if a vendor reports an increase in sales after announcing their acceptance of bitcoins, it might encourage other vendors to participate.
362  Economy / Marketplace / Re: bitcoin groupon on: March 22, 2011, 01:22:01 PM
OK, so I do agree forum is not the most efficient way for this, like for also so many other stuff that we are doing here.

I'm happy to put a site. Site will have a feature to confirm your forum account there (by sending private message to dedicated forum account), so while browsing it you still have some idea that these are not random people.

It will look awful, and it will work nice. But if I create such site (I need about 15h for this, I have a full time job so I'd need 3 days), are you willing to use it for such purpose? I do think it is more efficient, but I don't want to try to spread community outside forum. I'm happy to spend my time and create such thing if only there is some interest.
I'd use it.
363  Economy / Marketplace / Re: bitcoin groupon on: March 22, 2011, 01:17:02 AM
1. Are you willing to buy all this stuff at once in case all shops from the list would start accepting bitcoins?
2. I'm afraid we need to be more specific, contribution here is not donating money, but preparing such list, which costs time, but may result in more online stores accepting bitcoin
I see what you're saying now. I'm not prepared to buy all of those things at once. I suppose I could create an amended, ready to buy now with bitcoins, wish list. I just think this forum is an inefficient way to do it. We need something that can merge same items and sum bids. What about the wiki?

It made my day to see that you have safety glasses on your wishlist.
Oh, heh. There's nothing like a good pair of safety glasses.
364  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [Looking for Potential Investors] Unique Eyeglass Venture - 150 BTC Pledged on: March 22, 2011, 01:05:34 AM
Atlas, do you plan on including prescription lenses, or would the buyers have to source them (ie. bring your frames to Lens Crafters themselves)?

I think it would be something of a breakthrough if one could readily exchange bitcoins for something as necessary as prescription eye-wear.
365  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Environmental Standards and Impact of Mining for a Virtual Currency on: March 22, 2011, 12:44:37 AM
...shale reserves should provide the breathing room to transition.
If we can figure out how to get it safely.
366  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When the majority decides to change the rules on: March 21, 2011, 08:30:37 PM
Or asteroid mining!

The Bitcoin supply cap models real world commodities like gold and silver of which there is a fixed supply in the universe (nuclear trickery, notwithstanding).
I think the universe pretty much covers everything.

10,000 Internets to whomever can name that reference.


Shutup woman get on my horse?
We have a winner!

Too bad that Satoshi didn't call bitcoins internets instead.
367  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When the majority decides to change the rules on: March 21, 2011, 06:12:31 PM
Or asteroid mining!

The Bitcoin supply cap models real world commodities like gold and silver of which there is a fixed supply in the universe (nuclear trickery, notwithstanding).
I think the universe pretty much covers everything.

10,000 Internets to whomever can name that reference.
368  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [Looking for Potential Investors] Unique Eyeglass Venture on: March 21, 2011, 04:05:43 PM
Depending on what they look like, and their price, you may find an eventual buyer in me.
369  Economy / Marketplace / Re: bitcoin groupon on: March 21, 2011, 02:28:32 PM
It'd be nice if we could compile our Amazon wish-lists. Here's mine: http://amzn.com/w/3B8X6GC7WECRZ

Too lazy to list its contents.
370  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you like profit? on: March 21, 2011, 02:36:17 AM
I'm probably very similar politically to you. But I'm not sure I agree with the definition of the state being quite so broad.
I'm just trying to explain that government and capitalism are inseparable. I will concede that some forms of hierarchy make sense, like when it has to do with expertise on a particular subject. There's no coercion when it comes to deciding to follow the direction of someone who knows their stuff. I don't know if you could even call that hierarchy though as long as experts don't get any special entitlements.

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Anyway, doesn't anyone want to discuss cost the limit of price with me?
I rather liked that quote from Warren about the priest. I also like this one supposedly from Noam Chomsky:
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The idea of "free contract" between the potentate and his starving subject is a sick joke, perhaps worth some moments in an academic seminar exploring the consequences of (in my view, absurd) ideas, but nowhere else.
I say "supposedly" because its source website doesn't look very nice and that tends to indicate unreliability.

I see some problems with it though when it comes to scarce things. For example, if I build a few widgets, but many people want them, I think that after excluding people who don't really need the widgets, to the best of my ability, I don't see anything wrong with selling them to the highest bidders. How do you feel about that?

EDIT: I thought about that some more and I have to qualify it. If the scarce product is baseball cards, and nobody really needs them, just sell them to the highest bidder. If you have food or water that's scarce, which people do need, you feed yourself and ration the excess. Don't hoard, especially if the food will go bad before you can possibly eat it. Importantly, you have no right to preclude others from making whatever it is themselves. So, don't hold unused land for ransom, for example.
371  Other / Off-topic / Re: Introducing WingCash, think Dwolla + Facebook, the anti-anonymous e-currency on: March 21, 2011, 01:44:30 AM
Someone tell me what the difference is between this and the liberty dollar ?

 Huh
The liberty-dollar was a physical currency supposedly backed by precious metals, rather than a digital one backed by USD.
372  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin == terrorism? on: March 20, 2011, 09:47:59 PM
Wow, I guess the attorney never looked up the word "terrorism" in the dictionary.
Unfortunately, the misappropriation of words happens far too much.
373  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Environmental Standards and Impact of Mining for a Virtual Currency on: March 20, 2011, 06:13:29 PM
Sometime I have this sneaky suspicion that the fundamental reason human race came to existence was to facilitate the universe creating entropy.  Those thoughts usually come to my mind after a few glasses of wine though so don't accuse me of insanity.

There are clear ways and stupid ways of using energy, but guilt is never a factor to me.

Sometimes I think that we exist for the purpose of observing the universe. Why exist if nothing else exists to care? Although, that's a very human thing to think.
374  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What If We Took After The Belizean Dollar? For A Short While At Least... on: March 20, 2011, 06:05:23 PM
I think we'd all like a less volatile currency but manipulating it is contrary to the whole idea of Bitcoin.
I like the idea of exchanging at an average but if I'm a business selling a product I don't want to sell something at a loss because the daily rate is below the 7 day average or whatever. I'd prefer to just sell at the current sell price.
I think adopting something like a seven day floating average might be a convenient step in between pricing things in USD and then converting to BTC and just pricing things in BTC.
375  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much hashing power the CIA can organize ? on: March 20, 2011, 03:51:29 PM
So, every little bit counts right? Let's keep the CPU generation option in the standard client.
376  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Environmental Standards and Impact of Mining for a Virtual Currency on: March 20, 2011, 03:49:53 PM
Well, anyone with a computer and internet access can participate. As far as the environment is concerned, I'm not sure how any currency could intrinsically affect it. I guess paper money requires trees...
377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What If We Took After The Belizean Dollar? For A Short While At Least... on: March 20, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
I would like to add that Belize is a beautiful country inhabited by nice people and I'm proud to be party Belizian.
378  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you like profit? on: March 20, 2011, 03:28:55 PM
Then you and I do not share the same definition of a state, that of an entity with a monopoly on the use of force in a given geographical area. How do you define a state?
An Anarchist FAQ, least the Infoshop edition (I'll have to check my dead tree version when I get home), provides a good definition:

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1) A "monopoly of violence" in a given territorial area;
2) This violence having a "professional," institutional nature; and
3) A hierarchical nature, centralisation of power and initiative into the hands of a few.
So, employers, landlords, and usurers currently enjoy relatively comfortable hierarchical positions at the mercy of the larger state in whose jurisdiction (territory) they exist. In the absence of a larger state, they will each (re)gain the monopoly of violence over whatever territory they can control. They will have to use their own violence or threats of violence, instead of relying on that of a larger state, to maintain or elevate their hierarchical statuses.
379  Other / Off-topic / Re: ... like home on: March 20, 2011, 04:30:51 AM
When I was getting married, I though about using a rep-rap to do the calligraphy on the invitation envelopes. Turned out that my mother-in-law could do it way faster than I could have possibly hoped to acquire one.
380  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you like profit? on: March 20, 2011, 04:18:22 AM
There's nothing inherently capitalist about money, or Bitcoin. I rarely understand anarcho-socialists (or as they call themselves, anarchists), but we still share a common enemy - the state - even if they consider themselves in a position to criticize agreements between two parties as exploitative when both parties are happy with the arrangement.
You, like many other capitalists, do not realize that the employer, renter, and lender (who charges interest), are also states.
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