yeah I'm 99.9 percent certain this isn't a classic honeypot. like I said before, I haven't seen a cryptocurrency like this in over a year.
I agree. And CW seems to be a very diligent and committed dev (all good to him; he's doing some great work on this). My mention of "honey pot" was not in reference to Positron, it was a comment back to bobz about Qoinpro.com (see his post a few above). |
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Placebo can you please check your PMs. Have sent you one.
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This seems pretty cool, an online wallet where they keep giving you free bitcoins and other crypto currencies: https://qoinpro.com/b71287212d8ae054d9ccc59443d9bb25 I am only guessing here again but perhaps they are staking some of these coins to generate the interest they give out to people? Would be good to get tron onto this one as well, if they paid out enough % Or it's a classic honeypot scam where they'll just maintain respectability, pay people their staking rewards and when the thing's built up to the point they're holding 1000s of BTC worth of coins, the site will suddenly be "down" and will never come up again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg |
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yep looks like a scam to me.,. I put in 200$ a few days ago and now all its worth is $80. Ive chalked it up to a loss and am moving on. It does feel bad tho because I thought the bitstake team was serious and legit when really they are lying little fuckers.
Unfortunately its "Nigerian". Now I'm not sure where you're from but I'm guessing if it's any regular western nation and you hear about some great opportunity to invest in something with very high returns that's Nigerian based, what's your typical first reaction? Hang onto your XBS for a bit. The way they're running this thing the price is likely to climb back up and you might even get out with minimal loss. |
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You guys lost money again?
* Never buy at the top.
* When you got in right, always be ready to sell for a profit even if it continues going up.
* When a trade goes against you, be prepared to sell and take a small loss.
* And remember, these are Pump and Dumps. These coins have no real value. Its price is derived from the
laws of supply and demand.
* Bottom line, this is trading, not investing. You are bound to lose money from time to time.
It would be less offensive if the Bitstake dev wasn't going around hawking their bogus platform to the media, it ends up making crypto look bad as a whole. Yes. The guy is clearly creating a lot of interest and (along with people like DrMikeHashTag) pulling a lot of newbs into the trap. Even after yesterday's further revelations that the whole thing's just an obvious facade and there's no substance under the covers, people are still madly buying and selling XBS on Bittrex today. He (the dev) even tweeted the Mark Twain quote "It's easier to fool people than to convince people they've been fooled" and yet still, the believers chose to read this as him talking about the FUDer's fooling the investors! You can't win with people that have been so blinded by their hope they've bought into a moon rocket. (good advice tokeweed. Fortunately I neither lost nor won on this but a lot of people will have been badly burned) |
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Usually I just skip over the post which sound like an eighth grader wrote them and move on to the post with substance....
Yes. That's my standard practise too. But sometimes I just can't believe how inane some of the postings are and I'll challenge someone to at least put the tiniest bit of effort in to writing something that makes sense. (I know I have about as much chance of success in getting people to take more care/respect the English language as I would trying to dig a whole in water. Ha!) |
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I consider myself to be relatively skilled at interpreting the complete gibberish, poorly written and confusing sentences that are just part and parcel of being involved with forums like this. But ffs RedKeep, what the hell does... Positron CEO up in this bitch
...actually mean? Is it complimentary? Are you being condescending? Are you making an already hard-to-understand point that's been made even more ambiguous by a mistake in the wording that's not immediately obvious? I feel like I'm surround by high school kids who can barely string a few coherent words together! I'm assuming it's a positive comment but the use of the term "bitch" and "up in" I find to be offensive. Meanwhile $Tron's price has been on the right side of 45,000 for a few hours now. Looking good Cryptowest. |
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There must be some reason they are continually dashing themselves upon the rocks of this forum and I swear upon Buddhas bountiful man breasts that at this point it must be some kind of perverted enjoyment.
The TrollingIt's just a question of statistics that an unmoderated thread is going to draw posts from a small number of demented nutcases who want to gorge on the available attention at other people's expense. However there is also another reason. Dash is a controversial project in more ways than one. The Differences from 'Last Year'In particular, around this time last year, Dash's unique approach to anonymity (functional diversification of the network) started to emerge as just one of many new innovations going on across the altcoin market of the time. It wasn't particularly notable other than the fact that it supported the 'anonymity' features and it kind of passed under the radar on most other counts. Over the last year, however, some major evolutions have occurred in the market which people probably did not predict: [1] - the functional diversification approach that Dash took back then has worked. It's proven to be a generalised solution which immediately delivered 2 further breakthroughs over bitcoin: confirmation time and scaleability [2] - Dash has emerged from the background in terms of marketcap to establish itself in the top 3 'pure currency' rankings [3] - Bitcoin itself has prevailed over the flotilla of alts that came it's way. There is now very little, if any, prospect of any alt overturning bitcoin's transparent blockchain classic approach, starting again and gaining mainstream traction. In that respect Dash's remaining competitors in the market (at least in the anonymity sector) have walked straight into a huge cowpat by attempting to do exactly that The 'Real controversy'Note that Dash’s functional diversification approach is the one common denominator behind all these breakthroughs: - anonymity - confirmation time - transaction scaleability - legacy compliance with the bitcoin architecture This is the “real” controversy - not the instamine. 'The Decoy'However, it *is* why the ‘instamine’ has taken on such a huge importance from the perspective of adversaries. They cannot afford for attention to be directed at Dash’s unique technical approach and its benefits because ALL other networks (bar Dash clones and Bitcoin 2.0’s) are still mono-functional. It would suddenly widen the official playing field to a point where they are so far away from the goalposts that many would probably have to throw in the towel. The only way to keep the spotlight off the “real” controversy is therefore to keep the ‘instamine’ alive and keep throwing it in everybody’s faces to the exclusion of everything else. In fact its impact is of course academic. A market depth chart is a V-shape and will always be a V-shape. What that means is that for every trader that values as asset using a given set of criteria, there is always another trader who prioritises those same criteria differently. It was an unconventional birth but the value could have gone to zero. It didn’t, and the reason it didn’t is what adversaries would prefer not to discuss. Flash to the various "parent's basement" scenes in progress as we speak. Various persons terribly affronted by Dash and the Dash community are reading and re-reading Tok's pearls of wisdoms. Several of them, after re-reading it twice are temporarily disabled with a dear-in-the-headlights stunned-mullet look. They're thinking about what angle they can take, what aspect they can hook onto.....what they can say.....mmm.....it's very difficult. After several attempts to break out of the trance, they start trying to rebut or negate Tok's pearls. They look this way, they look that way.....they try to think of clever retorts and sarcastic double-backs but all to no avail.....it's just too hard. Soooo....with all the comfort of returning to the familiar, the sudden thought arises...."I know, hit them about the instamine....YEAH!!!" And off they go with the same old scratched record repeating of their chosen mantras......yawn yawn. (and that pretty much sums up the thought/inspiration life cycle of some of our favourite "pets" here and how they react to momentarily being thrown off course by really great summaries like Tok's posted. It's of some interest at a sociological level, but mostly it's just a terribly boring drag) |
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I'm going to register the business for real and we have over 10 employees with real life names and pictures coming to the website soon. I was going to register Positron Cryptocurrency Corporation but it sounds kind of stale. Then I thought Positron Rocket Corporation but that's a little silly. Positron Command Corporation?  Positron Corporation is taken. Positron Technologies? Edit: Most of the smarter people I know like Positron Technologies. Think I'm going to use that! Men hope you are not kidding and serious If this will all come true Than this is going to be the best investment in 2015 Hope this all come true with true stable value With 10 million market and over Just take it slowly cryptowest. I'm perceiving that you're a pretty genuine guy with a good heart. And that's a wonderful thing but (as you're no doubt aware but it's worth just re-iterating) that good heart can be so easily trampled on, especially if you wear it on your sleeve. That's great that you're getting the structure of the corporation all sorted. And it's great you're looking to have employees' pictures and details on the website, but don't be too hasty to reveal too much about inner workings and people you have working for you. I've run a small consulting business that turned over a few mill with around 15 staff and I had some great experiences with some of those staff who were very loyal and some terrible experiences with others that were just along for the ride. You have to continually realise that your staff, while they may say all the right things and indicate they're 100% with the program on your goals and your dreams, inevitably will offer differing levels of commitment to what you're expecting (or need) and you will (it's absolutely inevitable, especially within crypto) get undermined at some point and suffer setbacks from 'the enemy within'. So be sharp, be nimble, be open and welcoming of people into your realm, BUT, be as wise as an owl because some people will use you if they see a gap or hole they think they can leverage off. |
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Big R are you sampling your stock and beating on the trolls again?
*edit Says me halfway through a surprisingly good Rioja
I'm doing a winemakers dinner at the Fairmont Empress in Victoria BC this thursday evening! Its one of the most amazing hotels in Canada by far. High Tea there is a spiritual experience. check out @fairmontempress and @carpdiemwine for a picture of my wife and I and a link to the hotel and the dinner planned out with @chef_morganw, amazing! That's a very nice photo of you and your wife bigrcanada (and your dog.....what's his/her name? Surprised it's not a "DASHhound"!) |
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I wouldn't take serious that cover.
Ubuntu phones, not gonna happen.
Dash #1 cryptocurrency, not gonna happen.
An end of narrow minded people who keep forecasting technological and social change is "not gonna happen" only to get it so wrong it becomes laughable......well, most likely, not gonna happen! |
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This is the last I'll say about neutron on this thread - it's garbage with a bunch of bag holders trying to unload by coming out with 25,000 coin masternodes. They have plenty to dump on you folks, they've mined it all and been staking since day one. They'll have a new announcement each day to keep the ANN on top of this forum. Stay away, you'll make nothing on it.
Hold tight on your Positron, it's solid.
Just got another 20 coin stake as I read this. To remind me how good this coin is. Unfortunately, I'm now the (not so) proud owner of 130 quartz. I should have known better when someone names a coin after the most common mineral in Earth's crust. Bones you wouldn't be the first and you won't be the last to have bought into a crypto only to then look at what you've done and mutter "WTF....!" to yourself. Don't beat yourself up (just keep checking Quartz every so often to see whether there's an opportunity to offload them!) Meanwhile to anyone getting frantic about Tron's price dropping, don't. With the amount of staking generating coins one simply has to expect this. Crypto is an extremely risky investment (actually; it's risk profile virtually couldn't even be measured by contrast to investments in the normal world). Everyone's on a hair trigger the whole time. People are all hoping for a Crave-like pump, but it's so fickle and so haphazard as to whether that's going to happen or (more likely) it all turns to toast and you lose out big time. So (of course) if people see an opportunity to get out they'll take it if they're feeling super nervous, which is probably the default state of most people involved in these wild rides. Remember that in order for a Crave-like pump to occur, a very specific and unique set of circumstances have to come together, and they're different each time because the mere fact that Crave did what it did has set up a whole raft of expectations and behaviours. No one can know what will happen to Tron but I'm pretty sure it has a fair way to drop yet. But I'm not worried about it. We have a dev who appears to be very committed to this and he has plans for things to be produced over the coming weeks and months so it will likely recover again after the dynamic PoS period is over. Honestly, everyone just needs to chill. Even if it goes down to 10K sat (which is entirely likely), don't get all twisted and worried, just know that these are the adjustments and alterations being made to the coin's ownership and the true believers will no doubt hang in there (I know I will and I bought in at 60K so you're not hearing from someone who will still be above water at 10K, far from it). Just relax and let what has to happen, happen. There's plenty to look forward to without getting all aggrieved and distressed by the price correcting in the manner it is (and likely has to). |
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I hadn't seen that before. Man that's funny! |
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Trolls, remember, don't quote the Dash community members.
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I think they're brilliant.
They're battle hardening us all for when the real war starts (for the agro and vitriol iCEBREAKER and Adam direct at us is like a couple of 8 year olds ganging up to name call compared to what's coming).
The "instamine scam" accusation is just one many mud types we'll have hurled at us. It'll get a whole lot uglier when serious money/power starts being unduly impacted by Dash.
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Ouch! (and that's not even half of it....36K+ dumped all up by the looks of it)  |
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It sounds tremendous what you're doing there BiteMyShinyMetalAss. I'm not able to help much or answer your questions, but just thought I'd let you know at least one person's read it (I'm sure there are many others too) and thinks it's a great initiative. |
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In the OP didn't the dev say that Prom fucked him over in the past and this was a chance to get it right? So why is he working with him again?
Just because prom holds the coins, doesn't mean he's working with the dev right?  Cryptowest made a great move to build confidence in himself and his project, but Prometheus's stupid tweet about that giant wall fucked it all up. Everything even mildly associated with Prometheus turns to shit, and while it's pretty damn obvious to the rest of us, he'll never accept blame for anything (unless it's successful, then he'll take full credit). Maybe Prometheus is on the outside looking in and acting like a dick as usual, but it seems more likely that he's still on the inside getting his jollies from "controlling" the market, no matter how badly he ruins it for others. Prometheus has nothing at stake right now while Cryptowest put his identity on the line...if Prometheus is a legitimate member of the team, maybe they should post his dox too. I'm sure that's not going to happen though, so get him on a leash and keep him out of sight, for all of our sake. I've done nothing but support this project, but behavior like that makes me sick. I reckon if the top 20 holders form a pact - a collective refusal to supply the market below a certain price we all agree on - we can greatly nullify anyone who is trying to kill the coin (god knows why, he would make far more trickle selling and allowing the market to rise at it clearly wants to). No identity's need be disclosed - just have the relevant wallet in the top 20 send a specific amount of TRON say 0.1337 to a certain publicly viewable address upon agreement to the terms (whatever we come up with and find amicable). We are pretty weak on our own - even 2% isn't very many coins in reality - but if we get say 25% of all TRON off the market until at least XXX,XXX satoshi then we can turn this back in our favor. Goodness gracious, the level of naivety in crypto is simply gobsmacking! I'm as keen as the next person to see the price rise and not be severely affected by negative people trying to do damage but what you're suggesting is collusion plain and simple! It's the false manipulation of a market. In most jurisdictions around the world it's a criminal offence for participants in a market of any sort to band to together to control the price. People are charged, found guilty in courts of law and sent to prison every year for this sort of market-rigging crime. I understand where you're coming from and what you're trying to achieve to protect Positron from adversity, but to organise (so specifically and systematically) a process where larger coin holders are in cahoots with each other to minimise coins for sale or behave in a certain agreed-amongst-themselves way to effect an out come....sorry, but it's the very epitome of what open and fair markets are trying to route out! (Furthermore, the temptation for one of the larger holders to break with the pack and dump before anyone else gets a chance will be just all too strong....a plan based on manipulative behaviour and collusion is almost always going to fail because the natural tendency towards an intent to mislead creates a "there's no honour amongst thieves" mindset that's doomed to misappropriation). I understand your concerns and respect your opposition to the idea. If you recall Mintcoin had a similar pact back in the day that saw it beat similar behaviour that we are seeing now. Unfortunately, poor old Mintcoin was undone by other factors. In regards to illegality you would be naive to think this isn't already happening in every single coin that dominates the market today. I consider it to be a fair and just response to the fact that, unlike the securities markets, we don't have the same information that all other traders have and there are information insiders everywhere. There are certain people acting in cahoots with the Dev and the whales, paying BTC to be in BobSurplus's special group etc. This proposal doesn't require anyone to pay BTC for inside info or for the 'privilege' of being in a special group. It would be simply a way of levelling the playing the field with those who make all the money around here and ultimately rob people blind. It is much harder to rob people and manipulate a coin into oblivion if the target price is in the open and those in favor of taking it there show their support for all to see. Personally, I would rather not have to even propose such an idea - but the fact that this entire industry is dominated by crooks, manipulated by hustlers, necessitates some form of action on behalf of those who 1. Don't receive information before the official announcements, and 2. Would otherwise be unduly disadvantaged by collusion between the whales behind the scenes. Simply bringing the discussion into the open - where no one in the group has any more or less information than anyone else - is the best way to combat what goes on currently in my opinion. Okay, well now that you've put it like that I understand where you're coming from. It's unfortunate though that one has to adopt the "if you can't beat them, join them" mantra on this sort of stuff. It's true that disgusting individuals like Bobsurplus (and I don't say that lightly, I have done a bit of background checking on the guy, he's completely vile) are having an enormously detrimental effect on crypto. He basically sucks the life out of many coins and many many newbie investors too who end up so burned they leave never to return to this circus we're all involved in. I know what we're dealing with here (investing in things like Tron and/or pretty much any alt) is devoid of so much of the integrity that regulators like the SEC demand of IPOs and the behaviour of public company boards/directors etc. We can't begin to know what we're really getting into in terms of who the actual large wallet holders are and what the dev's "investors" expect/will demand of him, so it's quite a gamble and makes for very nervous coin holders who're ready to dump at the slightest indication things may not be well. Everyone's hoping for a Crave-like pump so the whole coin supply (almost) sits on a hair trigger for the most part. Anyhow, thanks for your explanation. I still don't condone any form of organised collusion and wouldn't take part in it myself, but I do understand what you're thinking is and why it's perhaps a necessary evil. |
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In the OP didn't the dev say that Prom fucked him over in the past and this was a chance to get it right? So why is he working with him again?
Just because prom holds the coins, doesn't mean he's working with the dev right? Cryptowest made a great move to build confidence in himself and his project, but Prometheus's stupid tweet about that giant wall fucked it all up. Everything even mildly associated with Prometheus turns to shit, and while it's pretty damn obvious to the rest of us, he'll never accept blame for anything (unless it's successful, then he'll take full credit). Maybe Prometheus is on the outside looking in and acting like a dick as usual, but it seems more likely that he's still on the inside getting his jollies from "controlling" the market, no matter how badly he ruins it for others. Prometheus has nothing at stake right now while Cryptowest put his identity on the line...if Prometheus is a legitimate member of the team, maybe they should post his dox too. I'm sure that's not going to happen though, so get him on a leash and keep him out of sight, for all of our sake. I've done nothing but support this project, but behavior like that makes me sick. I reckon if the top 20 holders form a pact - a collective refusal to supply the market below a certain price we all agree on - we can greatly nullify anyone who is trying to kill the coin (god knows why, he would make far more trickle selling and allowing the market to rise at it clearly wants to). No identity's need be disclosed - just have the relevant wallet in the top 20 send a specific amount of TRON say 0.1337 to a certain publicly viewable address upon agreement to the terms (whatever we come up with and find amicable). We are pretty weak on our own - even 2% isn't very many coins in reality - but if we get say 25% of all TRON off the market until at least XXX,XXX satoshi then we can turn this back in our favor. Goodness gracious, the level of naivety in crypto is simply gobsmacking! I'm as keen as the next person to see the price rise and not be severely affected by negative people trying to do damage but what you're suggesting is collusion plain and simple! It's the false manipulation of a market. In most jurisdictions around the world it's a criminal offence for participants in a market of any sort to band to together to control the price. People are charged, found guilty in courts of law and sent to prison every year for this sort of market-rigging crime. I understand where you're coming from and what you're trying to achieve to protect Positron from adversity, but to organise (so specifically and systematically) a process where larger coin holders are in cahoots with each other to minimise coins for sale or behave in a certain agreed-amongst-themselves way to effect an out come....sorry, but it's the very epitome of what open and fair markets are trying to route out! (Furthermore, the temptation for one of the larger holders to break with the pack and dump before anyone else gets a chance will be just all too strong....a plan based on manipulative behaviour and collusion is almost always going to fail because the natural tendency towards an intent to mislead creates a "there's no honour amongst thieves" mindset that's doomed to misappropriation). |
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