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why does the idiot market still pays 27 % more for imaginary bitcoins stuck at Bitstamp than for imaginary coins stuck at
Gox ? Bitstamp will fix it in an 27 % earlier timeframe ?
donīt forget Mt. Gox is easier to sue when found empty ;-)
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Mt. Gox is paying out ? to widows and orphans? Mr. Bitcoin Market is an complete idiot as always ! first paying 27 % premium for Gox -BTC you couldnīt even withdraw and now he offers a 27 % discount against Bitstamp Btc....even as they are not to be withdrawn as well.........when counting their wallets in the next 72 hours there might be nothing to count anymore  Cheers |
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hopefully he rather understands them very well and made a killing for the company to replace the lost coins....
but am sure he blames everything on bitcoins flaw so he needed to do some insider trading for his own or for by him
controlled accounts.......ripping off the whole community and magically disappearing when being held accountable !
-----THAT ARE THE BITCOINFOUNDATIONS BOARD SHENANIGANS TO PROMOTE BITCOIN AND SERVE THE COMMUNITY---
KEEPING QUIET FOR CRIMINAL INSIDER TRADING !
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so every exchange is exchanging dollars for coins you canīt withraw on request ? Who cares ? the blockchain works flawless BTC to da moon  |
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but be careful as you just need to sell them again a bit cheaper cause withdrawls begin to get stuck there as well |
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About malleability: it's a known and documented issue, its been on the Wiki for months if not years. [...]
It is known and documented, [...]
The question remains why MtGox took so long to pull this rabbit out of their hat? A convenient excuse. They could have voiced their concerns earlier. ToS...makes them liable to put the held BTC of clients to the blockchain in case of request !!! Nobody will complain if this is done ! One by one beginning now! as they even stopped trying, its fair to sue the hell out of them as not doing anything is a criminal offense ! |
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MtGox caused havoc in the markets today with their dramatically worded and damaging announcement. They diverted blame from themselves and placed the full blame on the Bitcoin protocol and making a minor technical issue (that already existed for years) seem like a critical widespread panic issue by the way the announcement was started and worded throughout. Most traders are non-technical users and their first reaction would be to panic after reading such a statement. Up to 15,000 bitcoins were dumped down to 102 at Btc-e on this news resulting in millions of dollars lost. Bitfinex also had thousands of BTC dumped down to 100, mainly margin liquidations. I would be surprised if the MtGox CEO did not know beforehand the effects and impact and knock on effects that such an announcement would have on traders and on the markets in all exchanges. It is amazing and scary how one person could have had such an influence in the marketplace. Mark and/or his friends could have easily sold bitcoins on the other exchanges such as Btc-e or Bitfinex and placed low buyback orders before making the announcement. They could have set up accounts with fake details, Tor etc. Hundreds, maybe thousands of bitcoins could have been bought back for cheap netting them potentially in excess of $1m+ gain on the traders panic. It is no longer simply a case of being Goxed again and joke about it like in 2011 or 2012. We are now dealing with very serious amounts of money, millions of dollars worth of bitcoins were made and lost on this single announcement across all exchanges not only MtGox. I am not even a customer of MtGox (I left them a year ago), yet I have been adversely affected (as have thousands of other non-Gox exchange users) by their negligence and adverse affect their announcement has had on the other exchanges namely Bitfinex and Btc-e. The other exchanges are operating fine and do not have the same technical issues that Gox is facing. Yet, MtGox goes and ahead and basically says that the issue affects everyone else: In the meantime, exchanges and wallet services - and any service sending coins directly to third parties - should be extremely careful with anyone claiming their transaction did not go through.
I cannot believe after all that has happened with MtGox, that they would have the cheek to tell other exchanges what to do regarding this non issue that only affects MtGox Anyone defending MtGox without acknowledging the extraordinarily negative impact their announcement has had to the entire bitcoin trading community either work for MtGox or have their head in the sand. Defending MtGox after years of endless f***ups and BS excuses is completely inexcusable at this stage. The MtGox CEO should be investigated for negligence and for potential insider trading fraud. its not only gox------ all exchanges donīt have no more the real BTCīs....alll raided the same way....the digits there are just that- digits- not to be withdrawn anymore.....
Cheers
Bulls*** quote from another thread : Hm, wonder if this explains why I've heard all other exchanges updating their systems as well. I believe this mutability issue is not as "insignificant" as the core dev team is attempting to convey. Yes, the problem may be sperading. I have been waiting more than three hours now for the withdrawal of the rest of my BTC from Bitstamp. #bitcoin-otc is full of other people with the same problem. Anyone else experiencing problems withdrawing BTC from other exchanges today? The withdrawal is marked "Finished" in my Bitstamp transaction history. I have tried to contact support there, but no answer yet. BTC-e...not working properly anymore as well...... |
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So maybe someone can explain me this. If i check the mtgox orderbook on bitcoinity it seems there isn't much left. Only 607 BTC in sell orders and even less in buy orders. Is that right? They still have some volume so that's just BTC vs USD going around in circles it seems. And Gox taking a fee every trade...
EDIT: Never mind, the bitcoinity charts on the blockchain website don't show the orderbook. On bitcoinity website it shows the lot.
And on another note, has someone had SEPA withdrawals processed since friday? Gox claims that is still working. Would be nice to see some proof of that in this thread.
So nobody got any monies via Sepa or a Yen withdrawl processed since Friday ( wasnīt that the topic of this thread) ? |
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its not only gox------ all exchanges donīt have no more the real BTCīs....alll raided the same way....the digits there are just that- digits- not to be withdrawn anymore.....
Cheers
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Follow up question? Do all the other crypto currencies have the same potential transaction malleability risk? (since they may all be derived from bitcoin in one form or another?)
they all have the same problems...they are mired in a speculative bubble...with very limited use outside of exchanges...the exchanges canīt work with malleability risk...so they need to be closed down... cryptos are serving there purpose of transfering value at any price....BTC at 10 cents is as valuable as at 1000 dollars may be not for speculators but for real use !!! Cheers |
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with reissuing fraud possible because of the bitcoin protocol itself , there needs to be a software applied which guarentees
that the same coins being tried to use
no exchange uses this up to date....so EXCHANGES ARE UNSAFE
FTFY sorry...he fixed it for me already.. but whats BTC gonna do without exchanges....at least in the shorttime?? |
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Had Mt Gox been competent at all when designing their custom wallet software, they would have noted that tx-ids are mutable
You overstate your case, unless you wish to argue that Satoshi was not competent. In any case, the reissue fraud is more or less independent of mutation. The way you protect yourself against double payment when reissuing is that you must spend at least some of the same coins so that only one transaction or the other can get mined. If you do this, no amount of mutation will result in funds loss (though it might confuse people!), if you don't do this then you can still have payments doubled up even with no mutation at all. (E.g. first payment delay, second authored, second gets confirmed, first gets rebroadcast and makes it in too). with reissuing fraud possible because of the bitcoin protocol itself , there needs to be a software applied which guarentees that the same coins being tried to use no exchange uses this up to date....so BTC is UNSAFE |
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that implies thats really the bitcoin protcol itself which needs an urgent fix or it canīt get anymore traction...OMG
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or lets say Sturle payes 90 % , am offering for 89 % how they are transfered inside Gox needs to be explained to me  |
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am offering 40 gox BTC to the highest bidder
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To summarize, the current bids and asks for mtgoxBTC vs realBTC are:
qxzn bid 58%, ask is 93%.
oyvinds (me) bid 58%
windjc bid 60%
mitus-2 bid 60%
Bitsinmyhead bid 66.67%
I bid 80%Ok I take that for 40 gox BTC how do we proceed ? |
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hey whats up?..withdrawl are working flawlessly again |
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may be you are lucky ...but am willing to bet 1 BTC that at the latest 15. th of march GOX doesnīt exist anymore as an entity which pays back more than 50 cents of money owed
I'm in! I won a similar bet on betsofbitco.in that MtGox would be sold or closed by the end of 2013, but this didn't happen either. You want to bet whether Mt. Gox sends me the wire that they've been putting off sending for 1/2 of a year now before I take legal action? If so, you better hurry. I've got an appointment with my attorney later today. did the attorney have an oppinion where to sue them ? Delaware or Tokyo |
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or we are busy shorting gox bitcoin - price for our private accounts as we only know how to fuck them up or down......and leaving the empty carcasse to you our valued client |
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Last time I have gotten something through is: 2014-02-05 07:30:15.
I try every few hours with small sums, so that is quite many tries ago.
The system is either royally messed up, or operated with malignant intention. I do not believe Mark would have such an intention so either the place is operated by aliens, or is in the process of falling into disrepair.
Luckily I am in correspondence with the support, and have voiced my concerns.
what are Gox voices telling you ? we donīt know how the bitcoin-qt client works ? |
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