The thing is there is often confusion between science and logic.

Logic is not science, mathematics is not science.

Natural science was highly developed in arabic worlds, and is a branch of methaphysics.

Logic and mathematics is a whole another thing.

The coincidence between natural science and mathematics is purely accidental.


But both metaphysics and mathematics have been developped highly throught monotheist or monist belief.

Algebra was developed throught spiritual principle, with al jabir, book of balance, as a branch of metaphysics / chemistry / alchemy.

Newton was actually an alchemist. ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies ).

All his theory are derived from stuff studied mostly in arabic worlds before.

Most mathematicians are god believers in a way or another.

Geometry was also a very mystical study at the origin.

It's said there are Pythagorean encoding in the bible.

Its very hard to actually dissociate science from religion, either science is meant as logic / mathematics, or metaphysics / algebra.

Im not an academic ..

You re the one throwing sophistry around 3 times a post, which is a platonist concept that you claim being paganism ..

That's how socratic method works ..


You ignored the piece about self discipline of the body

The one about the scale of the Lord

The one about witnessing wickeds and siner with your eyes while remaining in the Lord shadow


And that's only a few but at this stage I guess you already contradicted much more bible sayings ..

You are bashing hinduism, catholics,  methaphysics, arab,jesuits, cabalist, free mason, sophists and what's not ..

That's quite a stray you got here, im just doing a service to you as showing it while you complain about christian bashing...

That's what jesus said no ?

Or being killed by hormonal treatment for being gay ...

And you know that socrate didn't write a word and all we know about socrate was wrote by plato right ..

See that make you a platonist lol

Doh    

It's already at least two time I showed you piece of the bible that you seemed to ignore ..

I dont claim any superiority on anything lol

I read the bible and many other things, im an humble student of the light, my spirit is free as the air

Im not the one bashing everything left and right because it doesnt correspond to my own self proclaimed christian faith lol

I dont claim to have as much monopoly on truth and legitimity to bash everyone left and right on the basis of self proclaimed flawless christianism and monopoly on belief on the one god of the bible as you do lol

Ha .. the straw in the eyes ..

I already explained in my own words lol

But then if it's just your own word, it's not the bible, and it's not christianism lol

Plato influenced the whole occident, including christianism. You know who even coined the term of sophist that you seem to love to throw around so much right ? Most likely not ..

Yes im implying you are everything but a christian. I guess it's even more than implying at this stage.

Just playing victim of christian bashing while you dont even read the bible lol

Gay equal right with marriage is what 2 year old in occident ?

Look at the amount of discrimination and hate against them also in france or usa ..

Remember how turing died ? ..

It's because of Islam too ?..

Industrial empirism is killing science

If it's good enough to make money with it selling pseudo therapy or iPhone then it's truth lol

Plato was 400bc so he could hardly be a Christian.

Platonism and neo platonism influenced greatly Christian theology.

Most early christian were stoics who had lot of respect for plato.

Jesus was hellenistic, lot of part of the bible are plain platonism - neo platonism.

All science as we know it today is developpement from aristotle and arabs, that's just history lol

Im not Christian basher, but people just self proclaiming themselves as Christian without even reading their bible are the one who are brainwashed.

They are not Christian, actually act on the opposite of what's is told in the bible that they dont even read or understand.

Just exploiting religion to give some pseudo consistence to any non sense they are saying, playing victim of christian bashing when people put some actual truth in front of their eyes .. while they bash everyone left and right without remorse .. very christian indeed lol

In france it's long story, most of the immigration started as back fire from Algeria independance, actually algerian have very easy immigration to France since Algeria war granted by deguaule after the independance war ..

And it happened with strong background of colonialism, were population from colonies were always regarded as inferior.

Can say there is still some ressentment with France to a degree, but it's not really due to Islam in itself, radical Islam can be a pb in some countries, but not really in france or Europe.

But need to see they always struggle to get considered as equal citizen with other french, and in a way all is made to keep them out of good education, like self full filling prophecy of failure.

The Islam is coming back because it's what young people can identify with, as they are always treated differently by insitution, it's something they can cling to.

But again most of the older generation are exile from Islamic country, they are not especially super eager about radical Islam and sharia ..

The issue with women is common in mediteranean countries too.

Women right & equality still remain very young even in occidental culture, and still not exactly perfect yet either ..

35% support suicide bombing ? ? Lmao

That would mean 1 million suicide bomber !

One per day for 3 000 years !

90% of muslim in france are kabyles, maybe the young are still attracted to this pseudo ideal, but the older generation know islamism is a pest, even in north african country there's not that much islamists. . They are coming out of this ..

Most of extremists regims in middle east are installed by mi6-cia ..

The figure who left for ISIS is more in the hundreds as far as i know.

And lot of them are brainwashed to think it's something else. And how many want to come back after ..

Lot of the people who go there are marginals, and not even integrists, they are bored at school, see no future in france, and think it's more funny there. They basically get trappes.

No muslim in france defend sharia law lol or maybe 0.00000001% lol

There are probably more German who defend nazism.

Or more uk who defend orange county against ireland.

Yeah I know about people who derp around pretending to be world savior god of science and just derp shit in caps. Bust yourself.

I dont see much wearing stuff on their head lol

Woman ok but that's recent trend since bush and Sarkozy blowed 500000 bombs all over the place after 200 years of colonialism and 50 of racism and police abuse.

The services barely manage to brainwash 5 head cases to shoot alawakba to justify their own mess against Islam. Thats sure make it the work of great Islamic scholarship.

We had the same with the italian red brigade in the 70's, bader RAF & co. Wake up. Those stuff are never what they to tell to be. The more they shoot alawakba the more it's made to brainwash derping idiots. It still seem to be working well.

It's same for Islam,  different religions based on same book or slight variation plus different sets of hadith.

Caliph have to be accepted by all muslim to be valid, but it didn't happen for a while.

Before it was other stuff lol

There like 3 millions declared muslim or so ..

5 terror attack make

0.000000001.

But still concluding it's the driving factor is totally irrational, and probably more racist than anything.

And the sources of the active brainwashing are not in france.

Compared to constant media bombing making everyone a bit brown islamists accompagnated with racial sur and police violence for 45 years and 200 years of colonialism ..

How many civilian killed by bombs, children, women, in lybia by Sarkozy ?

How many in Palestine ?

How many in iraqi ?

OAS in Algeria how many ?

5 ?


Lets talk about the good old time when lybia was still Libya and iraqi still iraqi before they were bombed to ashes.

You count this in your equation or your just posting racist stuff on the internet to look educated ?

You really care about french politics, history, social situation or just posting racist stuff on the internet ?

Of course you just post racist stuff on the internet. So much easier than to actually get a clue.

Show me where I deny evolution mr derp ? Lol well fact : I dont lol see that's one truth. Actually you are the one turning evolution into a fairy tales non sense for Kids.

And yeah the problem is linked to Algeria war.

You know about OAS, Fils, and all this right? Of course not, you are just derping around as usual lol

Ha yeah the good old says when colonies were well separated away and exploited as second class citizen.

And millioneres can go hide their stash in panama lol

Already saying stuff watch out the windows, how you are supposed to see if someone is muslim or not by looking at him lol

Only a racist derp can assume the belief of a person from his skin color and make him terrorist.

So that make you a racist derp.

And yeah the problem is still not Islam.

Radicals are very small minorities, and often manipulated by secret services, like merah and the guy in Manchester.

Charlie and the other still weird stuff if you look behind.

But keep derping thinking that make you look smart.

France has been killed many time before

before there was chatelet bombing from Algeria, there was other stuff before lol

And yeah the whole bush fiasco in iraqi clearly enhanced terrorism and decrease condition of many peoples, and increased extremist, as well as Sarkozy fiasco in lybia.  No doubt.

But there is not a bombing every day either.

Fluctuat nec mergitur

A collection of facts is not science.

According to einstein there is still a force that pull rocks toward earth due to space time curvature. At earth scale the classic formulation and relativity are roughly equivalent.

Watching on youtube and internet doesnt make it true lol

I cross arab all day, eat at arab restaurant lol

Saying the pb in france is due to Islam is non sense lol

Yeah there are few Islamic nut there & there.

But the pb is well documented now too, and islamism as in salafism or extremism is not really much a pb.

The pb come from Algeria war, and most arab in france are kabyles.

It's long issue that you have no clue about like the rest of your non sensical drunk derping in cap.

Let the millionere flee away lol we wont miss them, we are not uk with economy depending on banking the millioneres lol

Maybe it's because water is reasonable being and believe in the gravity myth ?

Greek philosophy is not about natural observation. Rational Philosophy is not about observation. Euclidian geometry is not about observation. Socratic method is not about obszrvation. I posted about this in previous post.

Read plato  ( rationalism, pre christianism) vs aristotle natural science, empirism, metaphysics.

Natural science is different from rational philosophy and mathematics.