The S17 pro doesn't use the 6pin wires terminal, it uses busbar set up and they are pretty robust, such a scenario is almost impossible as the hashboards are fed directly from the PSU and only the fans and control board are connected to the PSU through wires, and those two draw a tiny amount of power and highly unlikely to cause such damage.

However, this can easily happen on all older models so it's always worth checking.

The seller must be new to this, usually, when you want to sell a mining gear the first thing to do is to reset the network settings to DHCP, anyway after finding the IP address to the miner, did you attempt to change the firmware from the GUI by going to "upgrade" tab? this should work unless:

1- The is a signature-lock like most recent Bitmain firmware.
2- The miner is infected.

I hope I get an answer to this question because I will very likely tag HiveOs if it turns out that they lock the firmware upgrade from the GUI on purpose.

How are they going to import say a 25M worth of mining gears that are made in China and avoid paying import taxes? I do understand that if it's a personal business and you are buying 10-20 gears that might work, I know Bitmain ships "some" of their miner from Malaysia, but such a huge order will most likey come from Shenzen, even if it was shipped to Malayisia and then to the U.S.

If I understand what you wrote correctly it means mining for individuals is better than holding because import tax can be avoided, but for business it isn't as good, can you do the same math with the tariffs added to the equation for 2 scnerios?

1: Btc from 10k to 7k.
2: Btc from 10k to 13k.

This is probably because HiveON is relatively new and not enough people know about it anyway, also the search keywords could be focused on how to restore stock firmware rather than how to remove HiveOn, any way you made this guide so it's no longer zero.


Most certainly, I always tell people to Sdcard the heck of any used mining gear they buy as many of them come infected, you have another option which is flashing Bitmain stock firmware via the web GUI but the miner needs to be on a quarantined LAN/VLAN, in most cases going with an Sdcard flash is easier.


Been there done that, every time I try to flash a miner using an Sdcard I have to try a few of them to get one to work, and then I lose it, a few months later I go through the same shit again, but based on my experience the size isn't the issue, it's just some Sdcards don't work for this thing, so when you find a Sdcard that works please hold on to it.


Maybe something like "Restore Bitmain Orginal Firmware Using Sd-card"?

ربما كان يجب ان اوضح نقطة اخرى في تعليقي الاول انني لم اجرب المحفظة على الاندرويد من فترة طويلة ولست على دراية باي تطورات قد حدث لها وكل كلامي مبني على تجربة سابقة قديمة نوعا ما.


اعتقد اغلب المستخدمين يريدون محفظة سهلة الاستخدام وايضا تدعم العديد من العملات من غير البتكوين, وباقي التفاصيل تعتبر نثرية وليست مهمة وهدا امر طبيعي فلكل مستخدم اهداف واغراض معينة, على العموم سأقوم بتجربة التحديث الاخير لي الكتروم لارى مدى تحسنها عن الماضي وسأقوم باعطاء راي حولها بكل صراحة.

The first PSU failed, the brand new one is not passing enough DC power, this whole thing points to low/high AC voltage.


This isn't necessarily valid, when the PSU doesn't get enough power, it doesn't come out with the same results, your old PSU was a faulty one and thus it's not a good reference, could you measure the AC voltage coming out from the outlet? if it is not dead stable between 200v and 240v then this new PSU will toast soon, so be careful.

This depends on the buyer, in my case as long as they are packed with some good protection like how you got them from China for an example, then I will be more than satisfied.


If the buyer trusts you, they would pay you before you ship anything way.


You will still use these guys in most cases, let me explain the process on how things work for me and I guess Artemis3 uses something similar, let's imagine a scenario where I want to buy your gears and ship them to the other side of the planet.

Since Air freight is so expensive and not everything can be shipped via air anyway, some local freight companies will have warehouses across major cities around the world, if I want to buy your miners, I will ask you to ship them to that warehouse in the U.S, it's up to you how you decide to get them there, you can use UPS/DHL or you can drop them off it doesn't matter, what matters is that you get me a receipt to prove that you have delivered say 10 boxes to the warehouse/company address.

At this point and assuming I trust you, you would have already gotten your money and you are not a part of what's going to happen next.

The warehouse/company have other clients who also buy all sort of different stuff and send them there, once they get the minimum quota to fill a 20F/40F container, they will load it on the back of a ship and off it goes.

The buyer will, of course, have to wait for a much longer period, you (the seller) don't.

It may sound simple but it's a bit complicated as the buyer won't be able to test the gears until they arrive which could take a few months, also the seller isn't going to wait all that long to get paid even if escrow was used, so this needs mutual trust between both parties, I bought a ton of used gears mainly from China and shipped them this way, I was only able to test them MONTHS after they arrived, by that time I would have already paid the seller because I trust him, he also trusts that I will be honest after receiving the products, say I find 2 dead PSUs and 4 bad hash boards, knowing that I won't lie about it, the seller will return the money or send me the replacements on my next order.

So far no problems, but this way of doing things can be a little bit complicated, I would only make such a transaction with someone I highly trust.

Now since I do trust you, if you have a good amount of these old gears I might be able to take them, if they are just 5-10 miners then I can't do it because there is a minimum price I have to pay (Usually it's 1 cubic meter) so if I buy only 5 miners then the shipping cost of each miner will be beyond reasonable.

Hope by now you understand how many of these old gears get moved around the world and why the hashrate isn't dropping .

Great stuff, this is actually how to Sdcard flash pretty much all miners, so you might want to change the subject for better SEO optimization.

The only difference is that the new models like the 17 series and even the K and SE versions of S9 is that there is no jumper to be changed, the control boards are made in away so that when they sense an Sdcard in the slot - they use it to flash the files on the card instead of booting the installed firmware.

But wait, why did you have to go this route? did HiveOn lock your miner? as far as I know all custom firmware are not locked and you can easily go back to stock firmware, but if Hiveon does that then they probably deserve a negative feedback on their profile until they solve this issue.


This isn't exactly correct, you can pretty much do with any size, Bitmain recommend 16GB or less, I know it will work with large SDcards too, the smaller the better but if you have no options, work with whatever you have available.

Thanks for sharing this great content.

I can go into detail on what needs fixing and how to troubleshoot the chips even further, but I have done that so many times in the past and it's all available on the forum, also this gear is so old that it isn't really worth fixing IMO, but it would be a great start for you to get things going.


I had a lot of brand new gears that arrived DOA, they didn't work out of the box, this isn't used vs new, it simply is Bitmain.


I wouldn't call myself a professional and I can't speak for others, but I have personally had a truckload of bad miners that needed fixing and troubleshooting, sending the gears back to Bitmain was not an option so every gear I bought (either to mine with or resell) I had to fix it or send it to the garbage, so the need for learning was very strong.

Also I would say at least 80% of the content related to mining gears comes from this very forum, we have a good number of great contributors whom I learned a lot from, I am also very active across all different mining groups from FB to Telegram and have many friends who own a lot of mining gears, mining is LIFE for me.

With that being said, rest assured that troubleshooting mining gears require no skills, you just need to go through a ton of issue and these issues kind of repeat themselves every step of the way, one last thing worth mentioning is that Bitmain gears are "crazy", you might turn on the miner tomorrow and it hashes at full speed showing all asics as if there was never a problem.  

Good luck and please keep us updated.

Since this is a proposal for a community project, then this particular point does matter, mind explaining how PPS is a net negative for BTC?

I do understand that you as someone who owns a PPLNS pool could be biased but that doesn't change the fact that your inputs are highly valuable.

The way I see it is that the investors/bondholders will have a very low-risk investment, I also don't think it's mandatory to have pre-hash contracts before you launch, I think it all boils down to the fact that the hashrate is irrelevant as long as the reserves of the pool are large enough to keep a low probability of bankruptcy, we have living proofs of small PPS pools such as Sigmapool.

Also, another factor that this whole idea revolves around the fact that this pool is going to be owned and operated by the Bitcointalk community, maybe my hopes are set too high but I am pretty confident that everyone who cares about bitcoin would pick this pool over Bitmain's or any other large cooperation's pool ESPECIALLY when they have to pay the same fees on both pools.


3% isn't better then everyone anymore, F2pool and BinancePool have 2.5% fees, which is very likely the bare minimum any pool can have to be sustainable long term which means the following reserves are needed to keep a 0.1% chance of going bankrupt.

(6.25  *ln 1000) / (2*0.025) = 863.46 BTC

The results are pretty different, which means you were likely using an invalid worker/URL, however, you now have a bigger problem than just a trailing space or bad pool connection.


If I recall correctly the T9+ has 54 Asic on each dashboard, the exact number doesn't matter as I am 100% sure it's way more than 18, which means you have 3 faulty hash boards, and fixing them would cost more than what miner is actually worth.

Having said that, this could be a PSU related issue, try to unplug 2 hash boards and keep only 1, perform this test 3 times on each chain, I would also Sdcard the miner and install a custom firmware like Braiins or Vnish, sometimes a custom firmware that uses a different frequency and voltage can get the hash boards to work.

Doesn't that depend on the tax system? I mean you already pay 25% upfront when you import mining gears to the U.S, so even your gears turn out to be unprofitable 2 months later, you have simply lost 25%.

Another advantage of buying Bitcoin over mining is that Bitcoin doesn't become obsolete or defective, mining is a very high risk, your whole farm can catch fire, it has operational costs, security, maintenance, downtime, theft, etc.

Also, mining profit is a "taxable event", the moment you get those sweet payouts in your wallet, whatever amount you received is taxed based on the fiat value of the time the pool sent you the payouts, also once you sell your mined bitcoins you are taxed again, but when you buy bitcoin with USD you are not taxed until you sell, and if you sell at a loss you could use "tax-loss harvesting". Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't know enough about U.S taxes, I just read about recently in an attempt to figure out the U.S election effects on Bitcoins and how different tax rules could be applied.

As far as we know Bitmain hasn't shipped anything in a while, how are new gears being installed this weekend? whatever is in the article is actually based on their previous july article, there is no proof that they received those S19s, perhaps they only received the M31s+ from MicroBT.


The market cap of this stock is just about 100M, so that's just about 10M increase which is really NOTHING, almost all crypto coins including the shittiest once made much more than that the past week but coindesk.com has to write about it because they need content to keep the profit comning.

I also don't understand why would anyone invest in a company that is about to spend 25% of it's value on expensive mining gears that need above 18 months to ROI (a terrible business model as far a mining i concerned) unless they are counting on a massive bull market for Bitcoin and in the case, isn't buying BTC directly a better bet?

Back to difficulty.


we are 54 blocks ahead, BTC is making it's 3rd attempt to break the 12k level (very likely to break it and move to 14k), at current prices and difficulty S9 makes profit at 5 cents/kWh and less

5 cents = $0.35 per day
4 cents = $0.60 per day
3 cents = $0.90 per day

I think most of the fresh hashrate came from those old S9s.

نعم بكل تأكيد اخي فانتقادي لم يكن ضد المحفظة لان الكتريوم غنية للتعريف وكلامي عنها بالخير او الشر لن يغير شي, اعتراضي هوا على جميع المحافظ التي يتم استخادمها على نظام وندوز, خصوصا مع وجود بدائل بنفس الامكانيات ان لم تكن افضل (ببدائل اقصد بدائل لوندوز)


هده المشكلة لان فريق المحفظة يبدو انه مركز على محفظة الوندوز فقط وتم اهمال محفظة الهاتف فهيا ركيكة جدا وانا لم تعجبني بكل صراحة, طبعا لتخزين العملات على المدى الطويل يفضل استخدام hardware wallet , اما المبالغ الصغيرة ففي النهاية ان كنت مرتاح مع نظام وندوز فبكل تأكيد احد افضل الخيارات هوا محفظة اليكتروم, بالنسبة لي محفظة الاستعمال اليومي ايضا مهمة وانا لست مستعد لوضعها على نظام وندوز, طبعا انا لدي فوبيا من الاختراق والسرقة لدرجة اني احيانا اصنف نفسي "مريض نفسي" لذلك ربما خوفي من محافظ نظام وندوز مبالغ فيه ولايجب الاخد بكلامي بهدا الخصوص.

There might be an issue with how you use the pool/worker details, Antpool is the worst pool to test a miner with, I usually test cksolo as you can't make any mistakes as long as you use a valid BTC address, so please try the following:

URL:


Worker:


Password:


Allow up to 15 mins before you reboot the miner, if it starts mining then you know your issue was Antpool, if the problem remains, then I would like to see a screenshot of the miner status page and the system view (main page).

While privacy is indeed a huge concern especially when it has to do with the camera, those who need the job can still be anonymous, the system needs to run in a way that there are no links at all between whatever the 3rd party collects and the person's personal/public data, in other words, no connection between the member identity in your club and their identity on this forum for an example.

It's pretty useless to have a video of someone sitting in front of their PC when you don't know that person, but if somehow it was linked to their social media or bitcointalk account then that will be an issue.

Also, there is a major issue with the way you plan to operate, you are going to pay the members just for being online, which means there is a possibility that the system fails to send a task for a whole hour or two and then you simply need to pay them for that even if they haven't done anything, the question is, where will the money come from?

The payment model is somehow unfair, it's to everybody's interest not to receive any tasks, so those who get more tasks will be paid an equal amount to those who were somehow lucky and went away with jut 1-2 tasks, also the type of the tasks is important.

How about you don't pay them per hour and simply pay them by the tasks that are equivalent to your pay rate? if you are willing to pay $1 an hour, and your tasks cost 10 cents each, give them 10 tasks within an hour, if there are more tasks they make more money if there are fewer tasks then the money doesn't have to "come from nowhere".

Now if you are looking for people who have a bit of skill and are into crypto for the tech, then chances are this isn't going to work, but if you are just looking for people then it's almost guaranteed that even a low pay rate like that will attract a large number of people despite the privacy aspect.



 

Any other altenriatves? I can't seem to find anything similar to this locally, will something like this Conductive-Silicone-Adhesive-Compound work?

Also after a lot of research in this forum I found this post and ccgllc mentioned about using this product https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HTV1TXA/ which is very similar to the Arctic Silve you suggested but a lot cheaper, unfouctnally I couldn't find that either.

Also in regards to buying the black glue from China, I was informed by zeus staff that it can't be out of the fridge for more than 10 days, so anyone thinking about buying that form China should be aware of this, if the shipping duration is 10 days or above, you shouldn't buy it from China.

اذا من منطلق الكود فالفكرة نفسها, السيطرة على الكود لا تعني شي وتغير الكود لايعني شي فالامر راجع لل full nodes في نهاية المطاف, وهدا الشي ينطبق على جميع العملات بدون استتناء سواء كانت عملة مبنية على Proof of Work او غيرها من الانظمة, وهده هي فكرة البلوك تشين اساسا, لايمكن لان يتملك شخص واحد او مجموعة صغيرة الكلمة العلية في القرارات المتعلقة بالعملة, ولهدا لا اعرف السبب وراء الهجوم على Bitcoin من هده الناحية.

الان بالعودة الى ديكرد, ان كان القرار النهائي في اختيار اي بلوك تشين يتم اتباعه للعقد اذا مافائدة التعدين و proof of work? في حال سيطر شخص ما على 51% من العملة يمكنه استخدام ماينر واحد لانشاء بلوك تشين خاص به والتصويت عليه؟ ان كانت الاجابة نعم يعني انه لافائدة من POW في حماية الشبكة من هجوم 51%, وان كانت الاجابة لا يعني انه لافائدة من العقد في الحماية ضد هجوم 51%, لا يمكن ان يتم تأمين الهجوم على نطاقين مختلفين, الا ان كان هناك جزء من النص مفقود واتمنى شرحه من قبلك.

It's doable, but I wouldn't say applicable for all old miners, the miner firmware needs to be customizable because almost all stock firmware on all different mining gears restrict the frequency and voltage you can use, at best they will give you a few options to select from like "Low-Power-Mode" or a set of fixed frequencies to chose from.

With that being said, the S9 is an exception (T9 as well since they use the same control board) using a custom firmware wether it's Braiin's or Vnish (the former is open-source and free) gives you the ability to downclock the S9s to a very low specs and that will make it run somehow quite and power efficient, however not to the extent where you can place it next to your bed, but with a few physical modifications you can reduce the noise significantly, you should check this topic.

Too late, it isn't feasible in my case anyway, "exporting" these kind of stuff isn't easy and most certainly not worth the efforts, thanks for the info anyway.

Mind sharing your electricity cost? and can you host old gen miners? let me know we might work something out.


sea freight or at least this is how we do it here, shipping old gears using air freight is very costly, imagine you buy an S9 for 40$ and have to pay about  $80-100 for shipping? using sea freight we pay per cubic meter and pay about $200 per cubic meter, 1 cubic meter can safely take 30 miners + 30 PSUs so that' 200/30 = 6.6$ as opposed to $80-100 per miner, and it's 2 months vs 2 weeks.