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3621  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core or XT, you dont have to choose NOW. Dont bother with the poll.... on: June 29, 2015, 11:39:18 AM
Though i would wish that the bitcoin blockchain and wallet development would work more like democracy. The head developer should agree to what the users want and implement that.

Eew, really?  We can do so much better than democracy in its present guise.  The leader of a nation should in theory agree to do what the public want, but that's rarely the case.  Democracy at the moment is where a bunch of wealthy individuals and companies fund the election campaigns to effectively buy the policies they like best.  Everyone else gets to choose the bought puppet they detest the least.  It's just corruption by another name.  I'd personally hate to see Bitcoin work more like that.

Youre right, though what we call nowadays is not really a democracy. Demo cracy means ruling of the people and we both know our democracies "leaders" fear the will of the people.

I think when we really could come up with an idea how to ask the users of bitcoin about what has to implement which way, and we only pay for these implementations, then situations like that would not happen so easy, because we would have decided as a community. Now we have to deal with what the developers do and chose then. Possibly hurting bitcoin on the way.
3622  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core or XT, you dont have to choose NOW. Dont bother with the poll.... on: June 29, 2015, 11:06:58 AM
All the fans download the client and thats it.

Supporters of a political party usually support that political party and that's it.  Doesn't mean we shouldn't have elections.  

Either use Bitcoin and trust the majority to do what they think is best, or use a closed-source coin and trust the developers to do what they think is best.  Bitcoin is not closed source, but it sounds as though that's what you want, so those are your choices.  

How do you get that idea? The total opposite is what i described. Or did i sound like a fan of bitcoin xt to you. Smiley Im surely no fan of the ideas of hearn and gavin and their way of enforcing their will. Smiley

What you're describing is that you don't like individuals being able to release their own clients with modified code because apparently that's "enforcing their will".  That makes it sound like you want a single team of developers to be in total control and those developers have to agree all the time.  That's the definition of a closed source project.  You can't have it both ways.  Either anyone can release a client with whatever features they like and the users can then choose whether they run it or not, which is open source.  Or, the developers are in total control and everyone runs the same client whether they like it or not, which is closed source.  If you want open source, then you can't complain(*) about Gavin and Mike releasing their own client because they are perfectly entitled to do that, as is anyone else .  If you want closed source, go use Ripple or some other centralised crapcoin.  Again, those are your two choices.

(* well, you can complain, but it just sounds like you don't want people to be able to make their own choices)

Youre right, everyone is free to do what he wants. Though i would wish that the bitcoin blockchain and wallet development would work more like democracy. The head developer should agree to what the users want and implement that. Of course he is free to leave and behave as if bitcoin would die if we dont agree to what he wants now, instantly.

So no, i dont want closed source. I would only want that the development follows what the user wants. Ok, you might say users chose by chosing their wallet, but im not yet convinced that this behaviour might not lead to damage to bitcoin. It would be better to go the democratic way from the start. Then the current situation would not have happened.
3623  Other / Meta / Re: Trust not displayed in "Beginners and help" on: June 29, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
There are probably some advertising for Cloudthink, which is allegedly a ponzi.

We should try everything possible to lower the scam rate. As the biggest forum for bitcoin it would make an impact i think.

The downside, someone might not be taken too serious in politics, stand in no relation to the downsider i think

Besides, did anyone care about red trust when a normal discussion goes on? I didnt. So the downside might be less of a downside like it might look.

Well it obviously doesn't need to be show in Politics, but feedback can influence your perception of a person in numerous ways. If someone says something they don't like they can easily just try to attack or discredit that user by calling him a scammer or bringing his feedback up. There are times when I've not been sure if someone was trolling or not, then seen their negative feedback and then thought it was more likely they were, so it can influence your opinion of someone (sometimes for the better or worse).

Hm... i think youre right. I remember having taken the red trust as decision help too often, when i was unsure what to think about something someone wrote.

Ok, lets say politics is really no place where trust has to be shown. So maybe its better to enable it by default and only disable wherever its really not needed?
3624  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: signalpush.com? Is it legit? on: June 29, 2015, 10:54:00 AM

I have, though im not as good as i would like to be.  Roll Eyes

I know that bots can be quite good in predicting but the perfect entry points on these images look too good to be true.

What i wanted to know is if signalpush is legit, then could the performance tabs be faked or would that be not possible. And if they cant be faked, maybe its not a real bot running but an experienced forex trader giving the signals. Would be fine until enough copies are sold and the signal vanishes.

Im trying to get into forex now, because i hope the market is less likely to be manipulated and that technical analysis works better than with bitcoin fiat pairs.

The reality is technical 'signals' don't work. Professional forex traders use them as a minor input, but they are largely event trading, with macro analysis, combine with the human (trader) element. Successful trading is not programmable, unless you find some arbitrage opportunity. Anyone who finds an arbitrage opportunity doesn't sell it. They trade in until it ceases to exist.

If you want to trade forex, just trade it. Do a lot of research, run your own charts, and trade. Buying someone elses losing system puts you so far behind, your effort becomes completely worthless.

I agree that news should be way more important on forex and real companies. On bitcoin, it seems, only bad news work.  Roll Eyes

Though in theory i believe technical analysis should work because of two things. Other traders believe in the same indicators, making it a reality because of that. To some extend. And indicators might mimic the behaviour of the masses. Both things should be able to predict a bit the movements. At least you should be able to have an advantage against a game depending on luck fully. Even some percent advantage in average would be enough when its more than fees. Similar to counting cards on blackjack.

So out of interest. You trade forex and the most important for you are the news? Grexit and so on? I heard that resistance and support lines work relatively good? I didnt have time yet to go more into depth.
3625  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core or XT, you dont have to choose NOW. Dont bother with the poll.... on: June 29, 2015, 10:46:32 AM
How about not forking Bitcoin at all since this is not an imminent issue.

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but that doesn't mean you can stop people from proposing a fork.  How about calling off the next general election because I disagree with a policy of one of the candidates?  How about closing a restaurant because I don't like one of the dishes on their menu?  How about we shut down the internet because I don't like a particular website?  Your opinion doesn't trump everyone else's.  It just doesn't work that way.  At the end of the day, you have to allow people to make their own choices and that's what's going to happen whether you like it or not.  


The majority of Bitcoin developers agree with this statement, the developer of XT decided to make his own version of Bitcoin so he could control Bitcoin's code without needing consent from anyone else.

Anyone can modify Bitcoin's code without needing permission from the core devs.  It's called Open Source and it's one of the fundamental principles behind Bitcoin.  Consent comes from the users securing the network, not the developers.  If you want a closed source coin where a small number of developers make all the decisions and everyone is forced to use that code and only that code, what the hell are you even doing here?

The question is who decides which version gets published. So far i read bitcoin xt has by far not the protection that bitcoin core has. And it only makes sense that gavin is switching there when he thinks he cant get his will on bitcoin core. The only reason he would switch would be because he would know he would get his will with bitcoin xt. So all the theoretical security about bitcoin xt are only theoretical as long as the project can be decided by 2 developers. All the fans download the client and thats it.

Im still not sure what will happen when gaving and hearn would implement tainting in their client and many newbs got aware that some coins might be worth less than others. Or if bitcoin xt would really become THE chain. Would a bad thing implemented be possibly made rolled back in any circumstances without leaving bitcoin behind hurt?

If Bitcoin XT gets a majority, rest assured that there will be more than 2 developers contributing and reviewing code. Even if it's solely Hearn or Gavin that get commit access, every submission will get reviewed. If something controversial is committed, rest assured there will be a migration away from Bitcoin XT.

It doesn't matter if it's Bitcoin Core or XT or some other version - you're getting the same level of review unless developers leave the project and go work on Doge or something.

I see what you mean. Review after the release might happen. Though that might mean that already alot of people downloaded the client and made transactions on, maybe a fork. Surely they could switch away but a potential harm might be done already.

You dont fear something like that happening at all?

On top of that, what do you think if a reasonable high amount of users think the bitcoin xt bitcoins are the one with value and the rest thinks it the unforked bitcoin core? When they are not compatible then you have copied a currency and both chains fans believe their coin is the real deal. Maybe even exchanges are undecided. You simply dont copy a currency and have double the value. So what do you think will happen?
3626  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NXT] Nxt - Official Thread on: June 29, 2015, 10:35:20 AM
I thought the price of nxt might be under pressure but its not the case. So maybe TaunSew you checked the btc nxt exchange rates? You know, when bitcoin price is rising then its normal that nxt is worth less btc. Btc are simply worth more fiat then.
3627  Bitcoin / Mycelium / Re: Mycelium Bitcoin Wallet on: June 29, 2015, 10:30:00 AM
Hey, glad it worked out.
If you have something worrying like this, its probably better to send a mail to info@mycelium.com, I only check in here every once in a while.
Mycelium does not create new addresses just when sharing, but as you mentioned test transactions: When receiving coins, the current receiving address changes. So if he shared an address, then sent a test transaction, then went to share receiving address again, he got a new, unused receiving address on the second attempt.

Ok, sounds like it might give headaches for others in the future too. But ill ask you directly next time. Its often the case that threads are monitored faster than the normal support working.

But ill do, now that i know. Wink
3628  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: June 29, 2015, 10:17:38 AM
That's really bad. If there's a drawdown, I'd be more exposed that I wanted to. And if there's an upswing, I'd be less exposed than I wanted to.

At least with 0.5% bankroll we can get a decent return without using offsite investment. But if that changes to 0.1%, the expected return without offsite investment gets too low. So changing the maximum bet to 0.1% seems to be a really bad idea to me, unless there's some solution to be able to still have at least a 0.5% exposure all the time (not just when we manually adjust the offsite investment).

Thats a valid point. Maybe you simply need to set it to x1.5 or so in order to raise your kelly but stay away from higher risks?

Personally i think the manual system has an advantage. When i lose then i have a higher offsite investment which means im taking sligthly more profit to get it back. And when im in profit i simply raise offsite. Of course one could see it as a risk too.

The issue is (as Dooglus put it) the bankroll is always fluctuating, so continually altering each person's offsite after each roll just isn't viable. I think we'd be better without it at all, TBH. Like 70% of the people are maxed out anyways, negating the whole purpose of it.

Im not sure why it shouldnt be viable. I mean the just-dice server has constantly to calculate things for the investors. Another var in the calculation doesnt matter really.
3629  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to Get Bitcoins: A Fairly Comprehensive (Yet, To-The-Point) Guide on: June 29, 2015, 10:10:16 AM
How about getting paid for signature campaigns.

Are you good at writing alot of posts really fast? YES: Use a signature campaign

Please use "good" posts. You wont be taken with most signature campaigns when it looks like you post for getting paid and not because you post because you would post anyway. There are enough obvious spam posts on the forum already. Mostly repeating things over and over that was already said in the thread.  Roll Eyes

There are some lower paying campaigns that allow practically spam posts, but its not really the best for the forum.

Perhaps, but a few guys just want to earn money, nothing bad about that. Newbies want to try out bitcoin and they want to earn money.

Currently the sig campain pays the best, how to avoid spam posts? Make something that pays better, then people wont post here brainless Smiley

if you rise the payment, you are not doing anything, because they will still spam and even faster then before, for the more easy money, i think a fixed ratewith a minimum of a small amount of post would be better

I think that wont help. These users would simply buy or create other accounts and raise their post count that way.

Additionally, campaign runners want more advertising, so limiting advertisers is not in their interest.
3630  Bitcoin / Mycelium / Re: Mycelium Bitcoin Wallet on: June 29, 2015, 12:52:19 AM
 Roll Eyes Seems he really didnt tell me about that he got both finally. He doesnt know how it happened and i cant tell since im not with him. He only claimed it wasnt the address he wanted to share. Maybe mycelium is creating a new address once an address is shared?

Anyway... sorry for the trouble, i had to use informations i could not check.
3631  Bitcoin / Mycelium / Re: Mycelium Bitcoin Wallet on: June 29, 2015, 12:46:25 AM
Maybe someone has whatsapp installed and can test it?

Why do you want to test it with WhatsApp if the user claims it sends fine?  It just sounds like a coincidence.

Mycelium is an HD wallet so it can generate different addresses for the same HD account, the aim being to use each address only once for privacy reasons.  It may be hard to tell which addresses belong to which account.

If there are several accounts/wallets, they can be shown together or separately.  If the setting in the app is to show them separately (it's an advanced feature), and the selected account is not the one where the address was generated, the app will not show any incoming bitcoins on the Balance or Transactions tabs.  However, regardless of this setting, all accounts and their balances are listed on the Accounts tab.

Has your transaction been confirmed?

There may be various explanations why your party doesn't see your bitcoins, the least likely of which is a malfunction in the Mycelium wallet.  More information is needed to investigate this; at least, the address you sent the money to, to begin with.  If you don't feel comfortable sharing it here, perhaps consider writing to Mycelium support.


dooglus tested it with an email app. The one that had the problems used whatsapp to share the address. So i wonder if the problem might be in that combination. I mean the one that has the problems claims its a repeatable thing.

I dont think it makes much sense to share an address when mycelium then actually shares a different address. And the address doesnt belong to the wallet. No coins came in there.

I didnt hear about different accounts, ill ask him, though when you say all balances should show up then its probably not the problem since nothing showed up.

The transaction was confirmed, yes.

The address is https://blockchain.info/address/1AzDd8rEGZfE22bXhPhpeF9Bi9uQFEUvsT though i see now outgoing transactions. I need to ask him if he took it out but i doubt it since he would have informed me. I will ask him anyway. The 2 transactions were to test if the address works, the third was mine. The next two are unknown to me as of yet. Maybe everything was cleared and he really didnt tell me? Ill ask him.
3632  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core or XT, you dont have to choose NOW. Dont bother with the poll.... on: June 29, 2015, 12:09:33 AM
All the fans download the client and thats it.

Supporters of a political party usually support that political party and that's it.  Doesn't mean we shouldn't have elections.  

Either use Bitcoin and trust the majority to do what they think is best, or use a closed-source coin and trust the developers to do what they think is best.  Bitcoin is not closed source, but it sounds as though that's what you want, so those are your choices.  

How do you get that idea? The total opposite is what i described. Or did i sound like a fan of bitcoin xt to you. Smiley Im surely no fan of the ideas of hearn and gavin and their way of enforcing their will. Smiley
3633  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: June 29, 2015, 12:07:55 AM
Im not sure if i understand your thinking about that because i believe you wanted to make sure that clams are more safe. So in order to do that you would need to make sure that clams exist outside of jd. Taking every other asset into account goes too far i think. Because these assets doesnt have any advantage for the protection of clams. The overall existing clams are still mainly invested at jd. Only if there are clams that really kept outside of jd would make a difference in protecting clams as a currency.

You have a certain amount of wealth that you are willing to risk investing in dice sites. Suppose you decide that Just-Dice is the best place to invest, and you agree that risking up to 0.5% of your wealth per roll fits your risk profile.

If Just-Dice doesn't offer 'offsite investing', then you will need to convert all of that value to CLAMs, deposit it all into Just-Dice and invest it all.

That's risky. Just-Dice might shut down, might get robbed, the price of CLAMs might crash, etc.

But Just-Dice does offer 'offsite investing'. So you can convert just 1% of that value into CLAM, invest it in JD, and type "/offsite 100x". Now you are only exposed to 1% of the currency risk, and only risk losing 1% of your wealth if JD is robbed while still having the same exposure to the bankroll.

I don't need to check whether you also converted the remaining 99% of your value to CLAM - in fact you probably didn't. The other 99% is offsite, and it makes no difference to me in what form you hold it (or even whether you really hold it at all).

Ok, then i misunderstood the reason why you implemented it. I wanted to see that feature back on btc jd already and was happy to see it but i got the impression you implemented it in order to secure clams. >50% attack and stability of the currency. Security can be raised when not all clams are on the same address or wallet.

Im perfectly fine with the way it is... Smiley Of course jd should never get in trouble... otherwise clams dies with it too.  Roll Eyes
3634  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core or XT, you dont have to choose NOW. Dont bother with the poll.... on: June 28, 2015, 11:08:49 PM
How about not forking Bitcoin at all since this is not an imminent issue.

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but that doesn't mean you can stop people from proposing a fork.  How about calling off the next general election because I disagree with a policy of one of the candidates?  How about closing a restaurant because I don't like one of the dishes on their menu?  How about we shut down the internet because I don't like a particular website?  Your opinion doesn't trump everyone else's.  It just doesn't work that way.  At the end of the day, you have to allow people to make their own choices and that's what's going to happen whether you like it or not.  


The majority of Bitcoin developers agree with this statement, the developer of XT decided to make his own version of Bitcoin so he could control Bitcoin's code without needing consent from anyone else.

Anyone can modify Bitcoin's code without needing permission from the core devs.  It's called Open Source and it's one of the fundamental principles behind Bitcoin.  Consent comes from the users securing the network, not the developers.  If you want a closed source coin where a small number of developers make all the decisions and everyone is forced to use that code and only that code, what the hell are you even doing here?

The question is who decides which version gets published. So far i read bitcoin xt has by far not the protection that bitcoin core has. And it only makes sense that gavin is switching there when he thinks he cant get his will on bitcoin core. The only reason he would switch would be because he would know he would get his will with bitcoin xt. So all the theoretical security about bitcoin xt are only theoretical as long as the project can be decided by 2 developers. All the fans download the client and thats it.

Im still not sure what will happen when gaving and hearn would implement tainting in their client and many newbs got aware that some coins might be worth less than others. Or if bitcoin xt would really become THE chain. Would a bad thing implemented be possibly made rolled back in any circumstances without leaving bitcoin behind hurt?
3635  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: June 28, 2015, 11:00:45 PM
Wouldn't making investors prove they have offsite clams achieve the goals that you originally intended? Have investors sign address with specific code and monitor that address (or just check from time-to-time) to verify investor has said offsite clams.

Dont give dooglus strange ideas. I want to keep my 100x offsite. Wink

Though i think dooglus might have not included this because it either would mean manual work or coding work to proove this.

The reason I don't ask you to prove that you have the offsite CLAMs is because I don't expect you to keep your whole bankroll in CLAMs. You could have it split between 100 different asset classes, and invest them all at 100x offsite.

You could invest all your CLAMs at 100x safely because you have 100 times more value in other coins (or houses, fancy cars, etc.) than you have in CLAMs. You have no offsite CLAMs, but you do have offsite wealth that could easily become CLAMs on demand...

Im not sure if i understand your thinking about that because i believe you wanted to make sure that clams are more safe. So in order to do that you would need to make sure that clams exist outside of jd. Taking every other asset into account goes too far i think. Because these assets doesnt have any advantage for the protection of clams. The overall existing clams are still mainly invested at jd. Only if there are clams that really kept outside of jd would make a difference in protecting clams as a currency.
3636  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: signalpush.com? Is it legit? on: June 28, 2015, 10:55:23 PM
Does anyone know signalpush.com? Is it a trustworthy service and how trustworthy are the performance stats for signals there?

As far as i understood it they are similar to tradewave and cryptotrader, only users can either offer their bot signals to others or they can buy the signals.

Do you have any trading experience Sebastian?!?

These types of scams have been marketed to stock 'day traders' for aeons. Now the scam artists think they've found a whole new pool of unwitting dupes.

Winning systems are not for sale. Only losing ones are.

I have, though im not as good as i would like to be.  Roll Eyes

I know that bots can be quite good in predicting but the perfect entry points on these images look too good to be true.

What i wanted to know is if signalpush is legit, then could the performance tabs be faked or would that be not possible. And if they cant be faked, maybe its not a real bot running but an experienced forex trader giving the signals. Would be fine until enough copies are sold and the signal vanishes.

Im trying to get into forex now, because i hope the market is less likely to be manipulated and that technical analysis works better than with bitcoin fiat pairs.
3637  Bitcoin / Mycelium / Re: Mycelium Bitcoin Wallet on: June 28, 2015, 10:43:46 PM
They mean you can call by voip and the messages are sent over the phones internet.

I get it. But it doesn't make any sense to require that I have a carrier set up. I use wi-fi only on my tablet and can Skype using it just fine.

Oh you mean that. The thing is that they identify users by their phone number. When you add a new user in your address book then whatsapp automatically checks if he has whatsapp installed. If so you can chat with him and he shows up in your list. So its part of the usefulness that it sets on phone numbers. Im not sure if they could raise their market share by allowing users that dont have a phone number.
3638  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Pita Bread Munchers Could Steal Bitcoins from Public Laptops on: June 28, 2015, 10:37:28 PM
Pretty surely it only can steal anything that is worked on in the cpu. So when you send a bitcoin transaction in the sandwich shop and the scammy seller behind the bar has such a device, then he might get the private key for the sending address. Which should only be a problem as long as the address is still filled after that. So if you use change addresses then you are fine.

Unfortunately change addresses are a superb tool to connect all the addresses that belong to a wallet. Destroying anonymity on the way.
3639  Economy / Service Discussion / signalpush.com? Is it legit? on: June 28, 2015, 09:44:03 PM
Does anyone know signalpush.com? Is it a trustworthy service and how trustworthy are the performance stats for signals there?

As far as i understood it they are similar to tradewave and cryptotrader, only users can either offer their bot signals to others or they can buy the signals.
3640  Economy / Gambling / Re: Signalpush.com Binary Options - Legendary Auto Trader - 1801 $ profit on: June 28, 2015, 09:13:25 PM
Ok here are the last 2 trades taken by the Auto Trader:



This is a 5 minute EUR USD chart and trades taken are pointed by the arrows.



   EUR/USD▲   25/6/2015 12:29:31   25/6/2015 12:34:31

and



        EUR/USD▲   25/6/2015 09:39:30   25/6/2015 09:44:30   

If this bot really could know a stop of a downtrend that perfectly then you could make a fortune on margin trading. Though i never saw a bot that could predict it so perfect all the time. And im into bot coding since some time now.

No one bought yet to show his experiences?
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