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3621  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: October 22, 2015, 10:38:21 AM

It is but only by turning us into generic mindless clones, we've gone a fair way down that route already but it has diminishing returns and getting it the point where we could all peacefully co-exist under a single world system would take a long, long time. We think we're a species above other creatures but we're still animals inside and things like the natural splitting of herds are burned into our bios so unless someone comes up with a way of re-flashing that part of us we'll always work that way.

The elite are already experimenting with genetic-engineering, so that might not be as far as you think.

I dont think it will be that bad, and it will achieve our ultimate goal. If we eliminate the tribalist narrowminded genes and start our cooperative openminded genes it will be literally heaven on earth.

The 2 problems with humans today are:  they are too stupid, they are too too evil, or both.

If you solve those 2 problems, then all other problems are solved.
3622  Economy / Economics / Re: How too get rich on: October 22, 2015, 10:11:29 AM

Thank's man Smiley
you are fucked too because you are a 'man"  Tongue

i think all woman can't do it, how about "love" at making love ?
people get married because LOVE and how to repeat it if he get bad reputation after divorce  Grin Grin Grin

Sure, i dont say that all women do this, but its about how to get rich.

And if you are a woman and want to get rich, then this is the easiest and most widely practiced method to get rich.

Yeah and get 50/50 on everything

You lose 50% of the wealth + she takes away your kid + you pay childcare + you pay wifecare

The divorce system must be the easiest and most obvious scam in the world.
3623  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NXT] Nxt - Official Thread on: October 22, 2015, 01:23:58 AM
Nxt is almost back in the top 10

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nxt/

Keep buying them guys, we need to beat MaidSafeCoin, only 60,000$ needed Cheesy
3624  Other / Off-topic / Bitcoin Religion? on: October 22, 2015, 01:09:24 AM
Religions have been around thousands of years, without any new discovery or anything new added to it. It remained as they are for thousands of years, just based on some ancient texts, scrolls or mouth-to-mouth stories.

Why don't we create a bitcoin religion?

There are thousands of different religious groups, all believing in some strange things. Don't we want a religion for bitcoin to attract more people into it?

Benefits of a religion:
-Strong cohesive community
-Members respect eachother
-Members help eachother
-Members care about eachother
-Easy way to communicate things
-It can spread easier than other projects
-It will be easier for people to join it, and it will make more people interested in it.
-It would make bitcoin tax exempt since it would be a religious tool part of it's ceremony

And on top of that bitcoin itself is already a messiah, but it's a financial saviour of humanity, so it totally fits all characteristics.


Opinions? Smiley
3625  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is Becoming a Global Currency on: October 22, 2015, 01:01:50 AM
Bitcoin regulation has been, and will continue to be, a hot topic as it continues to gain momentum and interest in personal and corporate finance

But how do you regulate a pseudo-anonymous, distributed protocol? It's near impossible

This is why bitcoin has been adopted on a global scale, and we will continue to see this rate of adoption increase

From the node point.

They will regulate exchanges, websites, services that will deal with bitcoin.

So even if the protocol itself is free from regulation, the services wont be.
3626  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: October 22, 2015, 12:21:57 AM

I don't mean to be a contrarian here, but there's fundamental difference between the definition of "property" in a society like ours and (let's say) a tribe in Amazonian Jungle. Property there has a vague definition and the land is collectively considered to be "everybody's". Also, aggression there is a prerequisite in order to find food to feed your children, so it's a noble thing among what is considered "family".

That's why I specifically noted that morality is based on one's personal preference, the way of thinking, the way he's/she's raised, educated, etc.

On a modern society rules 1/2/3/4 are being punished and enforced by the police. Don't we need enforcement?

The problem with the Amazonian tribe's "common land" idea is, that since it's not defined, it's ruled by agression.

If 1 tribesman decides to build a hunting post at one place, but another one wants a hut to be built there, then the only way to settle their differences is to fight, sometimes even till death.

It is one way of settling the issues, but it is not good for a 21 century enlightened human.

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We need a civilized way to settle the issues, and for that you need clearly defined rules, otherwise you still end up with courts and judges that will just decide from their own authority.

If the law doesnt specify one thing then the judge will just decide from his own point of view what he likes the most, and then we fall into the trap of authoritarianism too.

For something to be civilized, the rules has to be so clear that you wont even need a court to rule something out, a computer AI would be enough.

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We will need some form of enforcement, but it has to be more mental, rather than agressive. The rewards and risks has to be balanced in that way that only in the worst case scenario the use of force is justified, in any other case, some other form of punishment is needed.
3627  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: October 21, 2015, 10:51:06 AM
So we need a clear rule-set, that is not just brute force, because that will effectively destroy civilization. But also a set of laws that use morality, and common sense in a balanced mixture.

May I propose that those two are rarities within the world we're living. I'd say (without being fully wrong) that the majority of the people are incapable of thinking via the so called "common sense". I don't want to mention "moral" because morality is based on one's personal preference, the way of thinking, the way he's/she's raised, educated, etc.

You know, sometimes asking for the obvious is the most difficult part of all...

Well there are 4 main rules to morality.

1) Dont aggress against private property
2) Dont aggress against a person
3) Don't murder
4) Don't rape

These are the 4 main rules, and from this we can expand. But even these need to be carefully defined not to fall into the traps mentioned above.

If these 4 rules are respected then, you have nothing to worry about in a society.
3628  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: October 21, 2015, 09:30:57 AM

If someone limits your freedom to build a nuke (with the assumption that it is the only worrying thing you are doing), then he is overstepping. The problem is that if only the ones have nukes who have successfully denied having them to others, these guys can use this power to demand tribute, mass murder, and crush all the freedoms everywhere (yes: US Military).

I don't really wish a the world where the most unstable individuals have access to nukes (like they have to guns in the US and the result is more violence and crime, and still government is not adequately contained). But the current situation that only the bullies have access to nukes and for everyone else it is a crime as defined by the banksters and their puppet governments, this is laughable (if it wasn't sad) as well.

Of course you don't have "your freedom" to litter others' property, who made you think you had? Your mother? School?

Theory update: Positive freedoms ("rights") are almost universally bad. It is difficult to give anyone a right without imposing the costs of this right to diminished freedom of others. I list rights in order of intrusiveness to (negative) freedoms (power to do what you want with what you have rightfully obtained):

Right to live a normal life if eg. disabled
Right to be kept alive in same situation
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Right to live in the forest in someone's property with no clear damage
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Right to walk on the street
Right to breath the air.

Without further explanation now (I don't even know if going back to highschool basics interests anyone), the rightful extent of rights (which does not infringe the negative (good) freedoms, goes to one of the dotted lines.

Ok but these freedoms are so broad that its impossible to universalize them.

The rapist and the serial killer also wants his right to do these things. And by stopping them from doing so you are interfering in their right.

Ok that is a clear example, if we overrule specific rights with morality, but what about this:

By breating air, you are violating the right of 10000000000x other bacteria and living creatures to breath that air, and many of them will die, because you breath it from them.

So it's really hard to define and universalize these rights.



If you setup 1 rule, that nobody ever is allowed to be raped. But what if by letting somebody raped you prevent 100000x people from being murdered?

So you see, these things are too broad and undefinable.


So we need a clear rule-set, that is not just brute force, because that will effectively destroy civilization. But also a set of laws that use morality, and common sense in a balanced mixture.


The current laws are too irrational, and mostly made from sensationalism or from emotions, the lack the common sense part, and most of them are old anyways. They are based on 300-400 year old law books.
3629  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin and Paypal on: October 21, 2015, 05:49:27 AM
If you sell on PP you are screwed because in disputes they tend to lean towards the buyer side.

And also the chargeback shit makes its horrible. Better use bitcoin, its irreversible,and with proper escrow, you can eliminate scams to 0.000000001%
Yes. Chargebacks from what I understand can be up to 80-90 days. That is alot of time to decide if you want to return something and get your money back.

Yep it should be 6-7 days, or even without chargeback, there is no reason for it, if you buy something then you own it. Try sell it it elsewhere lol.

People can give out voluntary warranty if they want, but you just cant force them to have chargeback system, its unfair.
3630  Economy / Economics / Re: How too get rich on: October 21, 2015, 05:47:00 AM

Thank's man Smiley
you are fucked too because you are a 'man"  Tongue

i think all woman can't do it, how about "love" at making love ?
people get married because LOVE and how to repeat it if he get bad reputation after divorce  Grin Grin Grin

Sure, i dont say that all women do this, but its about how to get rich.

And if you are a woman and want to get rich, then this is the easiest and most widely practiced method to get rich.
3631  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's talk about how hot Asian girls are. [NSFW] on: October 21, 2015, 01:49:39 AM


Nice. I like this kind of hairstyle and so pretty face.

I give here 9.5/10, she is really cute.

Whats her name by the way, she is too beautiful to not know her name Cheesy
3632  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: October 21, 2015, 01:10:44 AM

And there would be no tax cheaters, nor tax havens. Nobody could dodge this, and nobody would have to spend money and time on accountants and bullshit to calculate it.
You are describing utopian totaliarianism here. It is a typical fantasy setting. What it ignores is that there are people who want to be free, and they currently feel that they have certain freedoms, which in the system described would not exist. So they need to be violently repressed to give away their freedoms (does not work), or cheated to give them away (works, but labels your system as unethical and ensures continued resistance by people who learn this). Starting from scratch, many things work, but there is often no way to get there from the current situation.
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Power Vacuum: a situation where the benefits of political market-rigging can be concentrated to benefit particular special interest groups, while the costs, in higher taxes, slower economic growth, and many other second-order effects are diffused through the entire population.

There is no such thing as complete freedom except for the state of nature as described by Hobbs. In every other scenario the best we can achieve is a partial freedom. We agree to some limitations to our freedoms to maximize our ability to prosper and cooperate while minimizing individual freedom to coerce, and defect.

The ideal government is no government at all. In this utopia nearly all individuals act only cooperatively. A stable utopia would require its participations to identify, correct, and in extreme cases neutralize those choosing defection over cooperation. Such a society is simply is not possible at our current juncture in history. We lack the required education, moral fiber, technology, and transparency and have simply not advanced enough to make it work. This leaves us no choice but to settle for an inferior semi-centralized alternative subject an exploitable power vacuum.

There are two types of “freedom fighters” that rise up in opposition to the social contract. The first is the angry defector. Many individuals are optimized for violence, force, and coercion. Historically violence was a viable evolutionary strategy. The modern social contract has increasingly limited opportunities for coercion and those optimized for it are genuinely worse off as a result. The angry defector thus hates the social contract and longs for a return to the more primitive state for which he is optimized.

The second type of “freedom fighter” is the disillusioned cooperator. The social contract is blunt, crude and highly inefficient. It is easily abused and manipulated. This weakness creates openings for today’s defector aka the intelligent narcissist. By exploiting the power vacuum the narcissist and his junior partner the parasite are able to succeed at the expense of others.  Disillusioned cooperators grow angry at a system that permits this abuse. Sometimes this leads to a conversion to anarchism which is either a desire for the utopia described above, a desire for a return to primitive tribalism or some confused muddled mix of the two.

The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism evolved into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. Perhaps in the future republics will be consumed by world government, world government will advance into decentralized government, and decentralized government will finally mature into the optimum of no government at all.


My theory is that not all freedoms are important, because if you have too many of them it becomes chaos.

So some sort of heavily restrained, and population controlled government would not be a bad idea.


For example I could care less about my freedom to build a tank, or my freedom to build a nuke.

I also dont want my freedom of throwing a piece of trash on the ground. And I`m sure many of you guys agree with this.


The most important freedoms for humans are the following: freedom to private property (with the above limitations), freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of self defense.

Thats about it all, anything else is non-important. And even the above have to be clearly defined, I mean I cannot keep slaves, and then say that you cannot free the slaves because they are my private property.

So obviously these things have to be definited strictly, and with proper limitations.
3633  Economy / Economics / Re: How too get rich on: October 21, 2015, 12:08:38 AM
IF YOU ARE A WOMAN:

1) Get yourself look hot, and prepare yourself to look the best in your life
2) Find a secretary job where you got a horny male boss, preferably single and under 40
3) Doesnt matter if you dont know the job, he will just hire you for your looks
4) Flirt with him, and have sex with him
5) Be very kind and gentle with him, make him food ,and make him see that you are reliable to him
6) Make him marry you
7) Wait the mandatory 5-6 years of marriage before you can proceed (but make sure you spend the most of his credit card as possible in the meantime)
8] Divorce him and steal half of his money and property, legally, through the divorce theft system
9) Repeat

IF YOU ARE A MAN:

Sorry you are fucked, better invent something useful to society.
3634  Economy / Economics / Re: [CHART] Bitcoin Inflation vs. Time on: October 20, 2015, 11:59:40 PM


This is the current status of bitcoin. The yearly inflation rate moving averag is going down slowly.

We just broke below 10% inflation Cheesy


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Already, 70% of the coins are mined out, this leaves us with only 30% total inflation for the next 200 years Smiley


3635  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way to make a living online? on: October 20, 2015, 11:54:24 PM
Start Bitcointalk-user farming, also take part of signature campaigns  Roll Eyes

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yeah i think it's a bot, they all quote the same user, which is always the OP

also their post are very akin

That's pretty sad.

Sad indeed! This needs to be stopped, I don't know how but there must be a way! What else are they not using to think of for God's sake, just to make money!!

Better captcha?

The current picture captcha is crappy, with a good AI you can easily crack it.

Plus you dont even need e-mail confirmation, that is a big mistake.

So I say:  email confirm + better captcha, and it will be resolved.
3636  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Message To Beginners: Do not use Secret Question to reset account - It locks it on: October 20, 2015, 11:31:23 PM

I would say that adding a warning to the page where you reset your password via Secret Question would be smarter, if theymos isn't going to remove the auto-lock feature.

They already added it, but you know newbies, they will get locked out eventually.

You need to warn them 5-6 times before they get it, its really hard to get into bitcoin, for indisciplined people, because this is the wild west.
3637  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: The 10 Commandments of Internet Security & Online Privacy on: October 20, 2015, 11:29:25 PM
Thou shall never visit russian porn sites with many popups while having electrum wallet open. I almost got hacked by trojan viruses, luckily I moved the my funds faster to safety than the hacker.

How does one know for certain your coins has became vulnerable to a trojan that can specifically hijack your priv key from a specific wallet? Because if a program would of had access to your privkey, it would itself instantly send a transaction to a preconfigured node asking all your funds to be moved.

Its not an actual hacker that does the work. You just code a trojan and wait for funds to arrive while you work on infecting more people.

Not really because it looked like a remote control trojan. There are automatic built ones, but those are dumb and have no way of detecting bitcoin.

However a remote hacker can just enter my pc and copy the wallet to himself and then wait until i write in the pw and log that.

I moved immediately the funds to a safe place, and yes this was a bad experience, but it happened months ago.
3638  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the safest way to store Bitcoins? on: October 20, 2015, 11:18:54 PM

USB sticks are prone to failure. Btw, it is alright to rename it to any format.

Use multiple ones, 1 usb costs about 3-4$ here. You can easily buy 10 of them and then put them in a faraday box to shield against EMP charges.

I dont know about renaming, certain formats have different encoding and it might fuck up the data. Like if you rename a .mp3 to .txt, and then back to .mp3 it wont work anymore.
3639  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to skip a resync if your database gets corrupted (Bitcoin Core) on: October 20, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
C`mon who the hell uses windows 8.

Please do one for windows 7, otherwise its a good tutorial.
3640  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2015-10-19] Research: Bitcoin Price Higher Where Economic Freedoms Are Low on: October 20, 2015, 08:14:08 PM
Well not so fast, politicians already accept donations through bitcoin , so they already found a useful way to use it: for bribery.

Yes what can a totally unaccountable politician wish for: an untraceable currency with which to get his bribe. Don't worry guys they won't ban it, it's their game now Cheesy
Politicians would accept donations through dark magic if that would help them dominate. And be wary that politics and finance worlds are connected.
If bankers say that bitcoin is threat for 'economic system' politicians would ban bitcoin the very next day.

But things are not as unified as you think. There are factions, between bankers and between politicians.

They hate eachother, and if 1 group does adopt bitcoin, that doesnt mean that the others will like it, but there will be some support for it dont worry.
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