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3621  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Alaska To Russia on: April 08, 2014, 09:02:08 PM
exactly, it was sold fair and square Smiley

I could argue about the "fair" part...
3622  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 08, 2014, 08:13:23 PM
Live streams from various locations:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kharkov-antimaidan
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/luganskua
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/reutski2

247crypto, it would be good to consolidate those stream links in one post.
3623  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 08, 2014, 07:46:49 PM


you all need to stop posting russian/ukranian language photos and articles (at least photos), this isn't the russian sub-thread or ukranian, you have one of those on the local thread, here we should speak english

Articles can be run through Google translate. As for photos, you can always ask for a translation Wink

- Dear friends, I'll rise Ukraine!
- Juliya, f***k off!!
- MAIDAN, MAIDAN, MAIDAN!!!
- Bandera will bring us the parachutes!
- Steer to EU! We'll crash there!!!

PS: a bit toung-in-cheek: It's never too late to start learning Russian (or Chinese).
3624  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 08, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
This is getting interesting: in Lviv (Western Ukraine!), there is some unrest as people are dissatisfied with the new prosecutor, appointed by the coup government_:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1459011&tid=105474

By the way, here is a timeline of recent events:
http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/
3625  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk activists proclaim region's independence from Ukraine on: April 08, 2014, 06:47:11 PM


Yellow, <1654 - "Ukraine before totalitarian regime";
1654-1917 - Gifts from russian monarchs;
Blue, 1922 - Gift from Lenin;
Red, 1939-40 - Gift from Stalin;
Green, 1954 - Gift from Khrushchev.

 Roll Eyes

I think this need to be quoted regularly to sink in. Smiley
Given undefined nature of Ukrainian borders, Russia definitely can have claims to Blue and Green territories, and Poland to the Red.
Territories presented to Ukraine by the Russian monarchs are, on the other hand, indisputable as monarchs were within their legitimate right to give lands as present
3626  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Alaska To Russia on: April 08, 2014, 06:42:46 PM
Can people give Alaska a rest? It was sold by a monarch, so it's not comparable to Crimea or south-East Ukraine, and the poll here https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/alaska-back-russia/SFG1ppfN was started mainly as a call to White House to mind their own internal affairs.

Neither Soviet Union, nor Russia have had any claims on it after it was sold.
3627  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk activists proclaim region's independence from Ukraine on: April 08, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
Putin’s goal is twofold: 1) to destabilize Ukraine and 2) to de-legitimize the newly formed Ukrainian government. In eastern Ukraine, Russia is using the Crimean method of creating instability, staging protetests for Russian intervention and using the pretext of protecting ethnic Russians from ultra-Nationalists attack from western Ukraine. However, eastern Ukraine may be different. Ukraine’s troops were employed to quell and repel Russian provocateurs in its eastern borders. Ukraine must remain vigilant and not to employ heavy handed tactics that may add credence to Putin’s claim that ethnic Russians are under attack. It would be wise if Ukraine does request an intervention of UN troops to monitor the situation in eastern Ukraine. More important Ukraine must find and elect a candidate that can create a consensus amongst the ethic Russians in Ukraine; internationally remain neutral in all Russian and European affairs and not seek admission into NATO.

I wonder how you can type all that with a strait face, when 1. Putin (via Lavrov) called multiple times on US/EU to help stabilise the situation in Ukraine by conducting constitutional reform and federalisation of the country, so that bother South-East and West of Ukraine can coexist peacefully and 2. The coup government does not need de-legitimising as it is initially illegitimate - it used the same methods to get to power as the people in South-East are using to gain independence.

Oh, and all presidential candidates that were even remotely sympathetic to the South-East and the Russian population there were removed from the election run.
3628  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 08, 2014, 06:34:42 PM
Best broadcast from the Ukraine I know (English):

Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine (Dispatch One)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss&list=PLw613M86o5o5zqF6WJR8zuC7Uwyv76h7R

At least, judging by the comments, people for the most part are not buying this. Which is a good first step in the right direction.

For every video such as this, there are tens contradicting it.
3629  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 08, 2014, 06:26:16 PM
Looks like this night will be the night of long knives in the South-East.
The coup government in Kiev that overthrew legitimate government of Ukraine now raises the punishment for coup actions to 15 years in prison. It also is on a determined path to suppress the South-East with extreme violence. People in Donetsk and other towns are pulling to the centre, preparing for a siege. May of the defenders are Afghan veterans, who are prepared to fight back to the end.

In the meantime, in Odessa, Ultra-nationalists are hunting down people wearing Georgy (Victory) bands, and swastika was drawn on the Holocaust memorial.

In light of this Kiev government prepared and ratified an amnisty for the currently imprisoned criminals, releasing every 5th inmate (about 25000 people).

More new here:
http://www.vesti.ru/theme.html?tid=105474
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vesti.ru%2Ftheme.html%3Ftid%3D105474&edit-text=&act=url
3630  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 08, 2014, 06:14:36 PM

Wow! Ultra-Right Fariaon. Demands to shoot everyone in the South-East, saying it should have been done in 1600-s! What? Did she ever learn history?

In Odessa groups of Nationalists hunt down and beat people wearing Georogiy-bands.
3631  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 08, 2014, 06:04:56 PM
The only way this can end peacefully is for the Ukrainian factions agrees which parts are Ukraine and which Russian. Anything else will surely turn into a blood bath of some scale. The best thing UK/EU and USA can do is monitor and try to prevent atrocities through diplomatic mediation. But the Great Game is on again so anything can happen.

But will UK/WU/USA listen?
http://rt.com/news/russia-eu-us-ukraine-113/
3632  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk activists proclaim region's independence from Ukraine on: April 08, 2014, 05:50:53 PM
that is not true, they don't like each other but as you said they do have some sort of autonomy which makes them happy but why couldn't the same be done in Ukraine?

Russia has proposed federalisation of Ukraine as the only viable option for its survival, but does not get support from the West.
3633  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 08, 2014, 03:10:18 PM
No, of course.  At least if they didn't invented a teleportation yet. Cheesy

It seems that the Kiev junta is preparing to suppress a protest with the help of troops. Roll Eyes

And at least you can see Ukrainian military licence plates. At the very end of the video, camera points back, capturing the name of the city the convoy is moving through: Алчевск (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BB%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA)
3634  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Norway Will Tax Bitcoin + VAT on: April 08, 2014, 02:51:25 PM
Both tax and vat ?!
Bitcoin is not damn alcohol to do that.
Good there is other countries out there.

I think that in Singapore also you have to pay the VAT (called GST there). But there it is around 4%, not 30% as in the case with Norway.

I beg to differ, it's "only" 25% and 15% for foods (">http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merverdiavgift)Cheesy
3635  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 08, 2014, 02:44:20 PM
Yeah , give it 10 years and you Russians will find a way to make our country suffer once more.
It's not the regime , it's in your blood.No matter how you find a way to mess up our lives.

Sorry for reviving that sub-topic, but it just hit me that you start sounding like Agrajag from HGttG (http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Agrajag) Wink
3636  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 08, 2014, 02:42:35 PM

Armed convoy on route to Lugansk from Donetsk similar convoy is also on route from Red Ray (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%9B%D1%83%D1%87_%28%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%29)
3637  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Looking Back at NATO's ‘Humanitarian’ Bombing of Yugoslavia on: April 08, 2014, 11:51:44 AM
...people in Russia support Crimea war...

Just to make sure we are on the same wavelength, the only Crimean War was in 1853-1856.


People love war. So democracy love war too.

You'd see a lot of people in Russia and America trying to avoid war, urging people to talk.
3638  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 08, 2014, 10:57:52 AM
Russia urges the West to talk, again:
http://rt.com/news/russia-eu-us-ukraine-113/

I think Lavrov made similar statements at least 4 times before, and they all got ignored.

My favourite quote:
Quote
“I heard the statements by Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary, who said that some demonstrations in southern Ukraine are paid for and there are certain ‘external forces” which stand behind these protests. It sounds as if he is five months ago and describing the events in Maidan Square in the center of Kiev,” Lavrov said.

More words of wisdom from Ron Paul:
http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-needs-economic-freedom-877/

Plus, just want to share this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_WBo4sfmi4
He does appear to be the last Don Quixote...
3639  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 08, 2014, 10:17:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKMVFtPsFI#t=46

Freedom of Speech in the Ukrainian parliament Roll Eyes

And all he did was say that people in the South-East should not be antagonised, and there should be negotiations instead of violent responses. That got him a violent response.
Well, he asked for it, reminding Right Sector nationalists that they did exactly the same thing in Kiev as the pro-Russian separatists in South-East are doing now...
3640  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 08, 2014, 09:56:49 AM
You'd be surprised at the amount of social criticism that Soviet film directors tried and managed to sneak by censorship. It was often disguised as comedy as well, and the problems were highlighted in round-about ways. Actually there are very few Soviet films without criticism of the Soviet state of affairs.

A couple of examples:
Иван Васильевич меняет профессию - for social criticism (1973)
Каин XVIII - for military/nuclear power criticism (1963)

Can recommend Встреча на Эльбе from 1965 as a historical curiosity.

Also, watch some films by Александр Игишев. He was a no compromises man (where honour and truth were concerned - he is one of my role models) with tragic fate. Our families were friends.
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