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3641  Bitcoin / Hardware / BFL Announcement Trolling Museum #2 on: February 06, 2013, 02:08:26 AM
Yeah, I guess that goes right along with you reposting my personal pictures and information, huh?  Good luck with that.

If you don't want your personal information public, don't post it on the internet.  Duh.  Do you see me whining and crying about you taking down my personal information that you've posted?  No, you don't... because I know if I post it on the internet, it's out there and there's nothing I can do about it.


If you find any information which you would like me to take down, you can notify me via PM. I will be glad to do so. My inbox is open and waiting to recieve your notices of such requests. I am making myself available to process such request(s).

Further, if you notify me of something that you do want me to take down, you should also contact any other folks posting such information to establish that you do not have some kind of established vendetta or personal bias against one specific individual (namely me).

I am happy to comply. You should do the same, as you have been personally notified that I do not want personal information to be posted.

This is an official notification of such to you (Inaba).
3642  Bitcoin / Hardware / BFL Announcement Trolling Museum #2 on: February 06, 2013, 01:54:29 AM
@ Inaba

It appears I will have to get in contact with BFL to rectify this issue of harassment.

You are not welcome to post my personal identity or any kind of identifiable information. Doing so results in cyber stalking and online harassment.

@ Moderators

Please issue some corrective measure for this man.
3643  Bitcoin / Hardware / BFL Announcement Trolling Museum #2 on: February 06, 2013, 01:50:45 AM
By the way, I asked you to take down my information from your forum. Precisely what city I live in.

You haven't taken action. That is something worth actually doing on your part.
3644  Bitcoin / Hardware / BFL Announcement Trolling Museum #2 on: February 06, 2013, 01:44:35 AM
Behave yourself and you'll get respect, fail to do so, and you'll get what you get and I'll laugh at you whining and crying and sending email and after email to my employer trying to get me fired.

I haven't contacted your employer in a very long (I mean long) time. When I did make a complaint it was perfectly legitimate. You attempted to intimidate me (from my perspective) through my loved ones for good measure. Including threatening to trump up false legal charges.


The only one who did throw a tantrum was you. For what? For informing them about your behavior? Anyway, if you are worried about what you do, then you have to moderate your own behavior and "behave".

It's not up to me to get you fired for your own junk postings. I cannot "do" anything if you don't misbehave in the eyes of your employer.

There is already a wide consensus that you behave in a terrible (as in obscene or objectionable) manner. This crosses the boundaries of customer vs non-customers.

If that is something you actually worried about then you should have a silent talk with Josh (your alter ego) about cleaning up your postings when they occur to you just before you type something up.

If what you type can actually get you fired, then that is the first sign that something you are doing is very wrong in the eyes of an employer. I guess it should be kinda obvious, but apparently it isn't the case.
3645  Bitcoin / Hardware / BFL Announcement Trolling Museum #2 on: February 06, 2013, 12:33:44 AM

edit:  even as old as I am, I still have not learned to just shut up and listen Wink

And you never will. I certainly didn't.  Grin

God you are an idiot.  You are definitely CreativeX level of incompetence and stupidity, congratulations for removing any doubt.

Bumping will take less than a day, actually, but we are allocating two days just in case.  Set up and tooling is what takes the most time, which is what we are trying to shave down.  Do I need to give you a quarter as well to go buy a clue?  Hell, go get it from Bryan Micon, the racist, homophobe... he never used his, so I'm sure he's still got it.

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I appreciate you taking the time to post here with such an informative post, but the rest of us (your customers) would like a little more information. Where are you guys exactly in your schedule, and are there any delays to your week-of-the-10th shipping date?

BFL does not communicate with it's customers on BitcoinTalk, you'll have to come to the BFL forums if you want real information.  As evidenced by greyhawk, it's impossible to hold intelligent conversation here with people like him around, retarding up the place.


Not to be ass, Josh, but I believe you may be in error on this one (bold above).

If I remember, the silicon is 17x17mm.  The package is 29x29mm.  I'll measure it and confirm when I get into the office today.

I didn't do the research, but there's a slight possibility user BFL was directing the above reply to non-customers only.

Later, bud.

~Bruno K~

That was then.  We have abandoned BitcoinTalk as a useful means of discourse, it's likely beyond repair at this point, unless the mods grow some nads and actually ... you know ... moderate (It looked promising a couple weeks ago, but that quickly faded into nothing).  Until people like PuertoLibre, CreativeX, Greyhawk, et al are banned and/or moderated into oblivion it's pointless to have any sort of serious discussion here.  When a large portion of the posters in a thread have absolutely nothing useful to add to the conversation, the signal to noise ration spirals out of control.  The above mentioned people are just a small subset of the wastes of humanity that post here... they are incapable of intelligent discourse so they just wreck the place because it's amusing.

Hey, don't knock the moderators.

They actually have to put up with reading your posts and not tapping that Ban button. That takes a LOT of ZEN and practice to achieve that much.

In fact, you ought to compensate them. I believe you are desensitizing them to the point that they compare regular trolls to the likes of you (Inaba/Josh).

At that point no troll can overcome your blazing style of trollmanship.

No one trolls Bitcointalk as hard as you do. If they can't/won't ban you...then why would they ban the lessor trolls?

I didn't start tapping out crap till you started naming people by name. Learn not to be so insulting even when it isn't necessary. Otherwise you have to accept that you are creating your own troll-ish conditions.

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You ask Mods to ignore your trolling (and flames) but to ban others?

Get a grip. (No, that is not an invitation to troll more.)

Just post something useful, informative and not personal. There you go, the start of a useful post.
3646  Bitcoin / Hardware / BFL Announcement Trolling Museum #2 on: February 06, 2013, 12:26:25 AM

edit:  even as old as I am, I still have not learned to just shut up and listen Wink

And you never will. I certainly didn't.  Grin

God you are an idiot.  You are definitely CreativeX level of incompetence and stupidity, congratulations for removing any doubt.

Bumping will take less than a day, actually, but we are allocating two days just in case.  Set up and tooling is what takes the most time, which is what we are trying to shave down.  Do I need to give you a quarter as well to go buy a clue?  Hell, go get it from Bryan Micon, the racist, homophobe... he never used his, so I'm sure he's still got it.

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I appreciate you taking the time to post here with such an informative post, but the rest of us (your customers) would like a little more information. Where are you guys exactly in your schedule, and are there any delays to your week-of-the-10th shipping date?

BFL does not communicate with it's customers on BitcoinTalk, you'll have to come to the BFL forums if you want real information.  As evidenced by greyhawk, it's impossible to hold intelligent conversation here with people like him around, retarding up the place.

False, they have answered customer questions in an official capacity under various names. That is a fact.
3647  Bitcoin / Hardware / BFL Announcement Trolling Museum #2 on: February 06, 2013, 12:22:21 AM
As usual, you are an idiot, greyhawk.  Do you even try to make posts that fit reality or do you just post shit to see what you can get away with?  Are you trying to take PuertoRetard and CreativeIdiot's place in the top dumbasses of BitcoinTalk?


Quote from: Inaba
Here is the current projected timeline:

Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd
Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th
Transport wafers same day to bumping facility
2 days in bumping facility
Transport to substrate and packaging
1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging
Transport to assembly house
< 24 hours at assembly house
~1 day for chip verification/testing
Transport to Kansas City
Bulk assembly / send out demo units
Ship bulk units


Quote from: Inaba
Our biggest hold up right now is the bumping and we have that taken care of, but we are trying to get that expedited and shave some days off (hopefully up to 7 days! Probably not that much though.). I'm waiting to hear back with regards to the expedite request and if they can speed thing up before I post the timeline, as it will affect it by up to five days depending on the outcome of that.

If you're not trying to shave off 7 days off the 2 days in bumping, maybe learn how to write better?  Huh
Again, like countless times before, Inaba (BFL Josh) is caught in yet another lie.

Greyhawk is not a troll. Calling someone "an idiot" when you are caught with your pants down between your ankles does not make anyone else an idiot or a retard other than you. (For getting caught)
3648  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs on: February 04, 2013, 06:14:57 PM
Any word yet on when Josh is heading to the fab?  The "worst case scenario" date for the chips being ready is rapidly approaching.
They cancelled the trip.

The Fab releasing the chips was delayed until the 8th of Feb. It was originally slated for the 1st.

So the entire timeline may be seeing a much later "final date".

No "Ronin" runs for Josh.

(Go read the BFL forums)
3649  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Sales Update on: February 03, 2013, 04:04:27 AM
You know, Bitsyncom should reprogram their web page to institute a ticket system.

First thing you should see is "request a ticket". Bam, IP is recorded as an established session with a number. "Your session number is 233 of 600."

Additionally it should say "Your session will stay active for 20 minutes, then you will lose your spot".

With that ticket the server responds only to those with the established session and ignores any other user requests until the 20 minutes are up and someone can be assigned a new slot.

Those folks then order, checkout and pay. All inside of 20 minutes.

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Then slots are freed and another number of folks take their spot. Order as many as they need, etc.

This stuff about a free for all where 1000 people hammer a server (or server instance) for the chance to order something at checkout seems pretty dodgy to me.

The whole current model of ordering is practically creating a whole DDOS situation only with legitimate traffic. No one gets to checkout in one piece with that much contention.

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Walletbit definitely did not have the capacity to handle that much traffic at checkout.
3650  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC users thread on: February 02, 2013, 05:53:21 PM
Chip's power consumption is <6.6W/Ghs

ATX power loses(82%), DC/DC power loses(87%), Fan(5~20w), etc…

So…

650W * 0.82 * 0.87 - 20W = 443W, About right.

so an equivalent bfl number would be something like:

60w / .87 / .82 + 2W (fan) + 5W (host) = 91 W    (host can be discounted for many since it can run several units)

or "bfl's worst case" 60W * 1.2 = 72W ===> 72w / .87 / .82 + 2W (fan) + 5W (host) = ~108W


Unless you want Inaba to eat you alive, never quote that reality, ever again. Wink

By the way, if BFL overclocks, it will raise even that amount by a bit more. Adding the host just raises it further.
3651  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC users thread on: February 02, 2013, 04:22:26 PM
Chip's power consumption is <6.6W/Ghs

ATX power loses(82%), DC/DC power loses(87%), Fan(5~20w), etc…

So…

Dear Dr. NGZHANG,

That's not the reason for you to claim the power consumption of the unit is 450w.

The power consumption of the unit is what all it matters. You picked on BFL for the same thing and now you talked like its all fine and dandy.

LOL at ... saying fans power and all that. Should I add the power I need to cool my room?

Actually, yes.

When summer comes around you will need it regardless of which vendor you go with. If you "need it" to run a Bitcoin mining operation then it should be included in the final calculations.
3652  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC users thread on: February 02, 2013, 04:19:53 PM
thanks for clearing that up ngzhang.

Makes sense as it's a stand alone unit.  When quoting BFL's numbers, no one includes the PC it's hooked up to either.
Which should be referred to as The "Tethered Wattage".

No BFL customer is going to bring that bit up without figuring out a cheap lower power alternative. Even a laptop adds 50% to that power figure. A desktop, much more.
3653  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL, Box of fans and Avalon trolling: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Ships on: February 01, 2013, 06:09:17 PM
I'm trying to go easy on Josh, he has anger issues and it's been a rough week with Avalon shipping and ASICMiner apparently ready to come online within days. If only I knew where to ship this case of antacids. Cheesy
Just say it, you are afraid for your life.  Shocked
3654  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Avalon ASIC] Batch #2 pre-Sale Thread on: February 01, 2013, 05:55:54 PM
Bitcoin bug = changes to hashing algorithm or the like. Things beyond their control is how I interpreted.

OK, that can make sense and is reasonable for an ASIC company to take. If BitCoin changes the algorithm, the boxes are done.

But the statement refers to the time between when a customer orders and the batch is fulfilled, which is just 2-3 months. Considering the fact that there are zero chances of the algorithm changing this year, why bother to make the statement at all? The statement also refers to a bitcoin bug, the core developers still make updates to fix security issues, but my understanding is none of these changes have effected or will effect the core hashing algorithm. This is why the same FPGA bitstreams have worked for so long...

I just want to be sure the statement refers to changes outside of Avalon's control (completely reasonable), and not to development bugs on their end (worrying statement).
This introduces an interesting risk.

Any ASIC is vulnerable to changes in Bitcoin. (Including BFL)

Should any changes occur, the losses could be staggering. Those with FPGA's ought to keep them as insurance. Especially in light of the GPU miner shutting down once ASICs dominate the market.
3655  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Avalon ASIC] Batch #2 pre-Sale Thread on: February 01, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
It might depend on shipping, but why would you buy one unit and three upgrades for $3000 when you could just buy two units for $3000? If you really want to space, gut one unit, mount the three boards in the other, and sell the PSU and other stuff.
+1 Interesting idea.
3656  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon going to cut into BFL customers pocket books? on: February 01, 2013, 06:34:07 AM
It Lives!  Grin Cheesy Shocked Roll Eyes Huh
3657  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL, Box of fans and Avalon trolling: [Announcement] Avalon ASIC Ships on: February 01, 2013, 04:22:25 AM
Where is the infamous (with his words) BFL rep?



VS.

3658  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon going to cut into BFL customers pocket books? on: February 01, 2013, 04:07:26 AM
Don't be surprised if BFL tries to copy Avalon in the premise.

I thought the mini rig was already customisable/upgradeable, meaning that Avalon copied BFL.

Or they both consider it logical to make a customisable/upgradeable product and it's a commonsense choice rather than anyone "copying" someone else.

Agreed, but it was just too tempting to turn Puerto's statement around.
Uh, I think you came out a bit fool-ish in that comparison.

You compared a 30k modular design with a 1.3 to 1.5k modular design.

Are you being serious??

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Beyond that, Revision 2 Avalon units will have up to 6 modules for upgrades (up to 132Gh/s). So the box will likely be a bit bigger but more expandable. Hence the price hike I'd bet.
3659  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon going to cut into BFL customers pocket books? on: February 01, 2013, 12:47:56 AM
The silence "sounds" to me like BFL is in the backroom talking about the "issue" before them.

Expect promises to come quickly, and actual changes very slowly.

Heh.

I had a feeling that you would defend whatever the magic feature was when released, then fabricate some numbers to make it sound amazing. Adding extra modules to bring an Avalon to 90GH/s is roughly the same as buying a little single to add to your 60GH/s single to get to 90GH/s...Except that the Avalon will cost $1500 to start with, we don't know what the add on modules will cost, it still takes up more space, and the power usage is STILL going to be much higher.

I predicted before that the feature would not be enough to overcome the difference in power usage or make people suddenly cancel their BFL orders. Was I wrong?
Lets see. Part of this observation is going to be long term as people get their rigs and figure out what upgrade path they will put into practice.

Don't be surprised if BFL tries to copy Avalon in the premise.
3660  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC arrives with Chinese power chord, No paperwork or instructions. Fun! on: January 31, 2013, 08:59:04 PM
I was delivered sans instructions as to how to use a certain part of my body. Anybody want to give me a hand to get this thing a workin'?

"hmmm Looks like a pull start"

@PuertoLibre - Oh yea!!!  That's how it went. The officer would have loved that ever much. Especially a Chinese one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_QsC0oVMk

The Japanese TSA would have had a better field day.
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