Notice that the God of the Bible only destroys those who are against Him.
Err no, I've never noticed that one. I have noticed, however, that man is eager to destroy/kill those that are against religion. People who destroy other people in the name of religion, if they don't have God's direct command to do so (which they don't in this modern day and age), they are doing wrong. At times Islam uses the threat of death to force someone into their religion. This is absolutely the wrong way to do things. An infinitely better way is to invite, showing the advantages of joining, and the disadvantages for not joining, and then letting the person make up his own mind.  |
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He hasn't killed vod  . The world is plentiful of sinners and evil people but nothing happens to them. Meanwhile innocent babies die of horrible diseases. Saying god punishes those who are against him seem to be a bit of a cop out to me. I killed god when I was 12 and realized he didn't exist. All I had to do was run away from home Sunday mornings for a few months and when the brainwashed ebbed away I was able to see it was just BS they repeated to me over and over again each week. (P.S. I always came home in the afternoon!) BADecker's imaginary god has no power over me. He can have his fun now, for we all rot together in the ground later, no matter what we believe.  I urge BADecker, if he is still able to understand common sense, to try stepping away from the constant brainwashing he subjects himself to every week. He'll be amazed at the real world if he just takes his head out of the sand. No, you didn't kill God. You only weakened a portion of yourself that lets you recognize God. That part of you is still there. You can revitalize it if you desire. But if you don't turn back by the time you die in this earthly life, you will wind up dying in the eternity of the hereafter. And that won't be fun. Am I trying to scare you? Why would I be trying to scare you? It doesn't benefit me in any way to care if you go to Hell or not. I get nothing from either you salvation or destruction. I am simply playing the forum game, and posting words, just like everyone else is. |
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Notice that the God of the Bible only destroys those who are against Him. The whole world was filled with people who were all wicked and evil, except for Noah and his family. God saved Noah and his family, but destroyed the evil wickedness. It's kinda fun watching you condemn yourself along with the rest of the wicked, evil people. He hasn't killed vod . The world is plentiful of sinners and evil people but nothing happens to them. Meanwhile innocent babies die of horrible diseases. Saying god punishes those who are against him seem to be a bit of a cop out to me. Haven't you noticed? We are all already dead. It's in the genes. The way God kills isn't the thing that we do by killing. We go out and actually do something to somebody to cause him to die. God does it differently. Here's how He does it. We are all held alive by God. Those who reject Him are essentially pushing life away from themselves. God fights against us by keeping us alive even though we attempt to push Him - life - away from ourselves. After a time He gets tired of fighting with us and lets us go. |
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Muslim were not did 911 attack...!!! Muslims are not a terrorists...... Muslims don't kill innocent People.... “If someone kills another person – unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth – it is as if he had murdered all mankind.” (Surat al-Ma’ida: 32) Islam is perfect.. It was an inside job, done by parts of the U.S. government and the U.S. military. Some of the terrorist that these U.S. perpetrators used may have been Muslim... at least on the outside. It absolutely was NOT the Muslims that did 9/11. |
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3. Carefully planted explosives at or about the same level XYZ are detonated.
You realize that after the plane hit that building was totally worthless, whether or not it went down? It would have had to be destroyed later as unsafe and dangerous.
So why is #3 a useful or necessary item for the bad guys?
It makes no sense.
You really ARE going off the deep end. You should be asking this question of the families of the people who died. |
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Edit: By the way, I still disagree with you about a "jealous/wrathful God"; God is love, and you have called my God the Devil without even so much as pointing out where God's messenger is telling you to do evil.
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.htmlDo you deny the christian belief that your imaginary god collected all the animals on earth into a big boat for over a year, and maliciously killed everyone else? Your god is evil - he has killed a lot of people bro (almost 3 million by the text of your holy book) - he needs anxiety medication (made by humans btw).  BTW - your same holy book says the devil has killed 10 (yep - ten) lol! Notice that the God of the Bible only destroys those who are against Him. The whole world was filled with people who were all wicked and evil, except for Noah and his family. God saved Noah and his family, but destroyed the evil wickedness. It's kinda fun watching you condemn yourself along with the rest of the wicked, evil people. |
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You are right that the Bible does not make some distinctions and is missing a lot of neeeed commentary; in my opinion this makes the Bible unclear. I point you to Phoenix Journals for a comprehensive text that discloses truth and news/history in literal/rational language of discourse and teaching suitable for this day and age.
Edit: By the way, I still disagree with you about a "jealous/wrathful God"; God is love, and you have called my God the Devil without even so much as pointing out where God's messenger is telling you to do evil.
Hurt your itty bitty feelings, did I? I explained it to you in the past, but I will do it briefly again. If the Phoenix Journals had been written prior to the time of Jesus (prior to about 2,000 years ago), and if they had been Hebrew writings, then they would either be part of the Old Testament, or they would not... as judged by the people of Israel, the leaders of Israel, and the priests and prophets of Israel... who would have determined their position within, or outside of the Old Testament according to the instructions for determining such things given by Moses in books 2 thru 5 of the Old Testament. If the Phoenix Journals had been written during the time that the New Testament was written, they would have been included in the Bible by the Council of Nicea if they were worthy. Since the Revelation in the New Testament says that nothing is to be added to or subtracted from the book of Revelation, if the Phoenix Journals were written following the time of the New Testament (following the time of the Revelation), they would essentially be additions to the Revelation, because the Revelation covers all the Word of God from the time it was written to the entry into the New Heavens and the New Earth after this universe destroyed. If the Phoenix Journals were part of the Word of God, they would not contradict the Bible in any way. If they were written by a man or men, they would be the Word of God only if they fit the descriptions in one of the above paragraphs. If they were done through some form of automatic writing, they fall into the classification of divination and witchcraft and are directly from the devil; Moses outlawed such in the Old Testament. Several different things that you have told me about the Phoenix Journals in the past show that they are NOT part of God's Word according to the things written above. Since you told me that they claim to be God's Word, if they truly claim this, then they are lies, and are against the Bible, the only Word of God. That means that they are from the devil, just like the writings of Islam are. |
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It's the event that forever changed the world we live in. From the loss of our Freedoms and most of our privacy, to the invasion of nation after nation in the name of fighting terrorism. No matter what your stance is on who committed 9/11 or how it was done, there is no denying that it has forever changed our world.
True. But so did Pearl Harbor, and lots of other things. |
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Almost all of which was down low for the footing and the basements. You neglected the factoid right above the one you quote, which was 200,000 tons of steel. So the building had 850k tons of concrete, and 200k tons of steel. Where is any support for your claim that to get to the steel fires had to get through the concrete first? The info at http://911review.org/WTC/concrete-core.html shows and explains it, along with many more links to Twin Tower info. This shows you how concrete the info is (pun intended). EDIT: In addition, concrete is about 3 times as voluminous as steel, weight for weight. Therefore there was way more volume of concrete used in the buildings as there was steel. I don't see any support for your claim there. The buildings were held up by vertical steel columns. They had sprayed on fireproofing. They were not encased in concrete. The steel columns got hot from the fire, then got weak, then gave out. As for the central column? A quick look at it shows it contained maybe 50k cubic yards of concrete, which curiously is about the same amount for the floors assuming they were 1 acre x 3" thick. The concrete central pillar was probably was worthless the minute the planes hit. But it wasn't what was holding the thing up in the air, anyway. Well, that's what I get for falling for one of your links. Apparently this is part of a conspiracy theory, that somehow the fact there was a central column of concrete was covered up as part of a dis information campaign to support some conspiratorial belief - I don't even know what it would be. For sure, though, the bullshit is really thick around here. Here's what Wikipedia says about the central core. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#Structural_designThe core of the towers housed the elevator and utility shafts, restrooms, three stairwells, and other support spaces. The core of each tower was a rectangular area 87 by 135 feet (27 by 41 m) and contained 47 steel columns running from the bedrock to the top of the tower. The large, column-free space between the perimeter and core was bridged by prefabricated floor trusses. The floors supported their own weight as well as live loads, providing lateral stability to the exterior walls and distributing wind loads among the exterior walls.[72] The floors consisted of 4 inches (10 cm) thick lightweight concrete slabs laid on a fluted steel deck. A grid of lightweight bridging trusses and main trusses supported the floors.[73] The trusses connected to the perimeter at alternate columns and were on 6 foot 8 inch (2.03 m) centers. The top chords of the trusses were bolted to seats welded to the spandrels on the exterior side and a channel welded to the core columns on the interior side. The floors were connected to the perimeter spandrel plates with viscoelastic dampers that helped reduce the amount of sway felt by building occupants. Falling for one of My links!? But you go and use Wikipedia that almost anyone could go and change, and if he were of a mind to sit and watch it day and night, change back to what he wanted whenever somebody else changed it to something different. So, who is the conspiracy theorist here? Those who adhere to the official government report? Or those who recognize that it was government that was behind the whole thing? |
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I like to rationally evaluate the likely origin of texts. I have some experience with reading inspired writings, so I will not hold back with what I understand to be the truth in this thread.
I can disagree with BADecker for the reason that the Bible lacks internal consistency; that makes that book invalid.
No internal inconsistency in the Bible. Often more than one discussion about the same topic. The discussions overlap, showing some info that is the same, and other info that is additional to each discussion, and other that is deleted fro each. In other words, some witnesses recall some points while other witnesses recall other points. At times the Bible seems to talk about something that another part of the Bible seems to talk about differently. The Bible is a writing that does not cover every topic under the sun in detail. It also does not always say when it is talking about two similar points rather than the same point from two different views. For example, the little bit that we see in the Gospels where Jesus' words are quoted, are certainly not the only things He ever said in His life. We simply do not know whether the things He says in one Gospel were always those things that were recorded in another Gospel, even though they look very similar. They could have been said twice, on different days. |
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Christians understand that 1+1=2. They also understand have a shaky theory where this whole universe came from, something that atheists mostly don't.
FTFY You angry Christians are funny. Indeed, the angry Christians should curb their anger. |
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Remember that the part below the collision point was already supporting the part above it. If the safety factor was less than two, it was grossly under-strength. A partial collapse should have been held or at least stalled by the lower floors. At best, this video suggests that the pilots of the planes were instructed as to the optimum location in the buildings to crash the planes so that there would be the least damage to surrounding buildings when the two came down. A worse scenario is that the buildings came down exactly in the way that they were designed in such a happenstance, but the people were never told that this is how it would happen under this set of circumstances. If they had been told, they might have found employment elsewhere. The worst scenario is the one already explained, that the buildings were outfitted with demolition explosives to make them come down the way that they did. One of the questions is, "Are all of the big buildings outfitted with explosives right at the time of construction, so that in the event of a need, they can be brought down with limited damage - even domino effect - to surrounding buildings? Or do the explosives need to be installed at a later date?" Whatever the real truth, if it was NOT demolition, the buildings in the area are grossly unsafe, as are similar buildings wherever they are found around the world. EDIT: If Building 7 was so heavily damaged that it was impractical to save it, yet not so heavily damaged as to collapse it without demolition, when were the explosives installed? Why was there no delay to the demolition to make sure that people in surrounding buildings could get their property out of the buildings in case something went wrong with the demolition? |
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What can you mean by, "We do not know who wrote it." Of course we don't know them. They are long gone. We do know, however, that the Bible was barely changed. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the variations are minor, even from the Bible of today. The Roman Catholic Church doesn't maintain the Bible. God does. The Bible "copies" that have been changed by people to use false writings to control people, have fallen away. Just because science (which many people worship) has changed greatly in the last 300 years, as shown by its writings, doesn't mean the Bible has. In fact the evidence of the "sameness" of the Bible is so much greater than that of scientific writings that it blows science right out of the water regarding accuracy. I mean that we don't know who wrote it. nothing more and nothing less, but that's a huge thing all the same. while the Dead Sea Scrolls may be the most ancient version we have of the Old Testament, we do not know when it was written, really ( the scrolls 300 BC-100AD most likely) or by whom, although it is assumed to be a copy of earlier texts in any case, so we don't know when it was originally written, or by whom, or what their motives were. Further to that, the scrolls have nothing to do with what most people think of as the Bible, and what I was talking about in the first place, which is the New Testament. I've simply seen too much manipulation by 'men of God' to think they didn't bend things more than a little bit when putting these materials together. My mistrust of the media and politicians goes back well beyond the current era, as I do not think the crazy things we see today are new games at all, really. I think men are corrupt and will do anything to grab and hold power and I think that has always been the case. There are three basic ways that I see that we can test how authentic the Bible is. 1. Read it and see how it makes sense (or not) regarding life. One need remember that the Bible was written for all people, but was also written for the people who lived at the times that it was written. Thus, it has many different customs and ideas in it that don't fit our times and customs completely, and certainly not exactly. Yet there is content that fits all human beings because all people are basically similar. 2. We need to look at the traditions of the nation of Israel regarding what they think about the Bible. When we do this, we need to know enough about this nation to see that they officially incorporate into "their" Bible, the Talmud and other writings, that we don't consider to be part of the Bible... and the whys for these differences. In addition, much of Jewry doesn't consider the New Testament to be truth at all. 3. Since most of us are not scholars of the history of the Bible, we need to see what the scholars say. We need to look at the real scholars, not simply the Internet scholars (like myself?) who produce second hand scholarly info, or who neglect the sense of the Bible in the documentation of its history. We need to examine the consensus of the best Bible scholars. And, that might take a bit of work. My though is to read the Bible, especially the New Testament, slowly, not trying to pick it apart the first few times reading it, just to get the feel of what it seems to speak to one's heart. BibleGateway - https://www.biblegateway.com/ - has loads of English translations and multitudes of other language translation so that one can read the Bible right online if so desired. I've got no issues with people pointing to the bible or the Quran or whatever as a general guide for moral behavior, although that can be a slippery slope also, and leads to 'interpretations' that can often be nothing but manipulations to support a given viewpoint or purpose. Anyhow, without getting to far into parsing any particular book, plenty of people would likely agree that the basic underpinnings of 'love thy neighbor' and 'don't kill that other guy', etc. are fine as generalities. I've got no problems there, and wish our societies could find some moral balance between "if you do that you'll burn in hell" and "there is no hell so I'll just screw everyone for my own benefit" the problem for me arises when people point to it as "THE WORD OF GOD"- and this goes for all religions and holy books. I think this is extremely dangerous for a lot of reasons, chief among them that we don't know that this or that is indeed the word of this God or that prophet instead of manipulations of some long ago A-holes that wanted to scare the crap out of people to keep them in line and/or subjugate them. The other is that these things are then too easily manipulated, as there is no arguing "THE WORD OF GOD" taken from any holy book, even if it is batshit crazy. I guess what I'm driving at is that this sort of finality removes any common sense from any sort of analysis, which just opens the door on way too much manipulation by people that desire to manipulate others for their own ends. Without conclusive proof then that this is indeed THE WORD OF GOD this takes this general guidebook for basically not peeing all over everyone else and turns it into what may arguably be the deadliest weapon in the history of the planet. All you need to do is to look at a jury trial to find that among people there is often a disagreement about what evidence actually is proof. Get into the Bible with sincere question to God about him showing you the proof of His existence. This is the only way. Proof among men differs. |
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God the father commands similar atrocities in the old testament; rape, murder..
The lesser of two evils is still evil...
Considering that one of the commandments in the Ten Commandments says to not kill (murder), and another says to not commit adultery (rape would be worse), where (the location in the Bible) does God command, as you say, "similar atrocities in the old testament?" I don't find it. Thanks. You clearly did not read your bible. There are a multitude of more commands by god besides the 10 commandments such as those 3 brief ones below. http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
" You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)" - This one is particular is often deemed the root cause for the infamous Salem Witch trials in which innocent women were burned at the stake.
" Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)"
" They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)"
" Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)"
From that and more, as you can see, God the father in the Old Testament is practically Satan himself. There's no way a good god can command such evilness.One basic question. Are you justified executing your wild dog (not rabid, just wild) if it will not accept your training, and is harming your peaceful animals?
God owns us. We are His property. If we won't live according to His will and laws, not only is He justified in commanding execution of whole wicked nations, but He would be justified anyway because everything belongs to Him.How did people become wicked? They listened to and obeyed Satan rather than God. Nowhere does God justify murder for no right reason. If your family is being attacked by an attacker who will not stop, and there is no other way to stop him, if you kill him to protect your family, are you not justified? Same thing with God's family versus the family of Satan. You're not very smart are you...Those are direct commands from god supporting rape, murder, and abuse. There is no justifying it... But you attempt to justify the evil found in the bible by saying "God owns us, he can do whatever he wants"? Please shut up and get lost. You're so brainwashed and twisted that continuing this conversation is a complete waste of time. "
God owns us. We are His property. If we won't live according to His will and laws, not only is He justified in commanding execution of whole wicked nations, but He would be justified anyway because everything belongs to Him.". -BADecker So you ackowledge that God is evil then, because he supports murder...Thanks for admitting that kid . Also, just in case you don't know how to read...God commands the killing of children and babies, who are by default, innocent, not "wicked nations".
Chuckle. I understand that God is very patient with you. Here you are calling Him evil. He doesn't have to answer to anyone, and nobody can withstand Him in the least. But He is patient with all of us. You are about as mixed up as you can get in your present state of knowledge. Ok, so since you can't argue with any of the evidence I've presented, you resort to this trollyish "wannabe wise" behavior. I think we're done here. Since you want to argue, why should there be any more talk between us. The forum is for presenting points, not for argument. But you will probably want to argue about this as well. |
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At this point in my life, I have found it wise to not argue with x-tians. You are never going to convince them that they are wrong because all the proof in the world(about them being wrong) has been in front of their faces their entire life and they have found a way to ignore it. It will literally make you go insane. Imagine someone trying to tell you that 1+1=3 and showing them all of the mathematical knowledge that shows 1+1 is actually 2 and having them still not believe you. It is a strange affliction for certain.
Quite the contrary. Christians understand that 1+1=2. They also understand where this whole universe came from, something that atheists mostly don't. Don't argue with the Christians. Join them in this life, so that you can join them and God in the new universe God is making for all who believe in Him and are on His side. |
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God is really selfish in fact he is god while I'm not.
Why didn't he made me god?
He did make you a god in this life. You have control of many things in a god-like way. He isn't going to destroy Himself by giving any of us god-like authority over the Essence that He is. Yet, he is offering "Godness" to you for a future time, in the new universe He is creating for all those who accept Him and are on His side. He is making you to be like God. Get into the New Testament of the Bible and learn to accept Him and everlasting life. |
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God is really selfish in fact he is god while I'm not.
Why didn't he make me god?
FTFY. Well yes, if he does exist he's very selfish. OP you should ignore that guy. Since we're believing in fairy tales from an ancient book, we might as well believe that there is a place on Earth with unicorns  Selfish because... He gave you life along with multitudes of abilities that you wouldn't have because there is no other way for you to get them or life. When you decided to block Him out of your life, He faithfully held you alive for a long time hoping that you would turn to Him, the only One who can hold you alive. When the devil transformed you into one of the damned, He sent His Son to die on a cross in place of you so that you can be saved from death to partake of the glory and joy of the new universe He is preparing for all who accept Him. He gives you freedom in your life in many ways, yet doesn't give you enough so that you accidentally go out and destroy yourself... even though there are some who commit suicide. He loves you because He knows how important you are to yourself, and that is part of the thing that keeps you important to Him as well. ... So selfish. |
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There are lots of violent evils books in the world, some are quite entertaining. That's fine, whatever subject your into. Whatever floats your boat.
However, when people actually start believing them to be true, this is when the problems start.
So yes, read the bible and enjoy the story, but... If you for a microsecond actually start believing it, you must stop, put the book back in your fiction section of your bookshelf and walk away fast. Very fast indeed.
Now you are talking about inorganic-to-life evolution. |
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Almost all of which was down low for the footing and the basements. You neglected the factoid right above the one you quote, which was 200,000 tons of steel. So the building had 850k tons of concrete, and 200k tons of steel. Where is any support for your claim that to get to the steel fires had to get through the concrete first? The info at http://911review.org/WTC/concrete-core.html shows and explains it, along with many more links to Twin Tower info. This shows you how concrete the info is (pun intended). EDIT: In addition, concrete is about 3 times as voluminous as steel, weight for weight. Therefore there was way more volume of concrete used in the buildings as there was steel. |
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425,000 cubic yards of concrete used in the construction of the World Trade Center complex http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/wtc/about/facts.htmlA striking feature of the Twin Towers' destruction was the pulverization of most of the concrete into gravel and dust before it hit the ground. This is evident from the explosive mushrooming of the towers into vast clouds of concrete as they fell, and from the fact that virtually no large pieces of concrete were found at Ground Zero, only twisted pieces of steel. 1 Estimates put the size of the particles, which also included gypsum and hydrocarbons, in the ten- to 100-micron range. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/concrete.htmlBoth the WTC 1 & WTC 2 towers had a rectangular cast concrete core structure formed into rectangular cells that had elevators and stairways in them. http://911review.org/WTC/concrete-core.htmlOh drat. More sites for the Feds to work on taking down! |
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