Where are you located? Nevermind, I just saw you're located in the US. Import taxes to EU will be about 1BTC if you state the real price tag.... Pity; I really wanted one of these...

I *think* I was right about 7hrs ago (as per the limit down), now let's see the limit up...

Market      Last      Volume (24h)   Bid      Ask      High      Low

mtgoxUSD       186.8000    88,184.96       175.40    175.50    233.40    175.30
btcnCNY       1160.0000    46,644.16       1160.00    1166.00    1328.00    1010.11
bitstampUSD    169.9500    45,086.09       168.99    168.00    205.44    156.20
btceUSD       170.1090    29,341.98       166.00    167.00    204.00    152.50
mtgoxEUR       135.2000    14,390.43       131.11    132.66    167.90    125.00

This should be a record high afaic volume transaction history. I like it...

Insulting people is not polite nor smart. As per your "help" by babbling out "$120" over and over again; well, you will just have to repeat it to yourself in a little while.

+1 ignore from me

It was a well predicted correction (the last couple of days I've been looking for it). I believe $170-$180 is the limit down. I support the $300 jump too; but I am an optimistic person anyway...

Good point. On the other hand, I paid ZERO (0) customs & VAT via USPS for my BFL 60 shipped from the US to EU. It depends on the company.


No you won't! Read that again:NO YOU WON'T GET BACK YOUR 30 BTC IN 60 DAYS!!! That's because 0.5BTC per day is valid ONLY for up until the next difficulty change (which will drop you down to 0.25BTC or worse). Wait for it in less than a week. This is NOT an estimation via genesisblock (which btw I find pretty accurate and rather optimistic). This is via my own personal measurements judging from MY OWN miner's revenue.


As I wrote above you will need MUCH MORE than 60 days to get your BTC back. Plus the miner should be online all this time. Plus power outage etc. Why don't you buy those 30BTC right away with fiat money (or if you have them just keep them) and sell them double price when and IF the price rockets high...


Exactly... You can only speculate (but you can also make a rather good estimation).

Just my 2 Shatoshis (and sorry for bombing the thread - but I had to make those things clear for all those dreamers out there)

PM sent. I really want to know the details of having one of these... November sale? like in 30 of November? Are you in US or EU?

From a point of view (provided that you can find 60GH/s @ 6BTC nowadays) a fair price for this h/w would be 24-26BTC. On the other hand this machine will make you 0.5BTC per day, with current difficulty and average luck factor which -as you may be aware of- will pop (once more) rocket high in less than a week.

My guess is that a price of 16-18BTC would be what the OP should be asking for (and have a chance getting it).

...And it popped again (this time to 3PH/s)...



sigh...

@lightfoot: True story; and nicely put. Thing is that this time there's a HUGE amount of erupters out there that will (probably) quit. I don't count the VGA rigs, those in perfect sanity should have packed and sell them half a year ago. As you've said:

"We shall see"

@Puppet: First of, I believe that I have right:


The thing IS stabilizing and I have a perfect understanding for it. Small range miners just have to quit. The gap will be filled with bigger, better, faster TH/s rigs but; NOW it's getting lower. I find it interesting.

@Amph: Insanity and genius are separated by a thin (pretty thin) line... keep that in mind. 

...or maybe there's a whole different situation after all. Anyone sees a pattern here?

For what it's worth; I think you people didn't think about difficulty degrading at some point. I've read it somewhere here (I believe it was in the hardware/computer sales section) and didn't quite believe it to be honest. But watching the Computation/difficulty graph over here:



I begin to understand the guy's point...
Maybe I'm wrong; but maybe I'm not.

I tend to believe too, that the transaction fees will be the reward of the future. As per mining; most possible I will be mining too forever no matter the electricity bill. My 60GH/s will render itself non profitable within a month (or two) from now according to the genesisblock calc (I was hoping for May-June '14). I got it for 30BTC back then, and most possible it will never manage to make the half of it...  but I don't really mind, as long as I see the stats rising and the fans spinning.

What I find difficult to understand is that the BTC logic is to keep the miners mining up until 2140. I'm a miner myself (just received my BFL 60) but I can get no clue as to what I'll be doing when this will be producing something like 0.01BTC/month within a year from now. Well, I see no other logical explanation for this to be done but the BTC/fiat rising to a level that we miners are going to have some sort of profit...

It's kinda puzzling but I want to verify this:

According to Genesisblock calc, whatever gear you're going to buy -right now- seems to draw itself obsolete within a year or so. Well; this is a bit puzzling but who will be mining by then? What for? And most importantly, with what gear? I can only think of ONE good reason for one to be mining at this difficulty rising rates and this is an outrageous BTC exchange value with fiat money.

Thoughts?

If I were you; I'd buy directly Bitcoins off an exchange of your choice with my money. It's more than certain that WHATEVER you're willing to buy will definitely won't be having ROI out of it, since in less than 6-8 months will be obsolete for mining. Speaking of, I really wonder who will be mining by then and at what hashspeeds. :S

Interesting. Watching

I'd sell it fast for 12BTC to joeventura above. I got one yesterday for 11.5BTC from an EU BFL customer and I'm not sure if it ever will get ROI...

I'd like one at 13BTC+shipping to Greece. PM me for details if interested. Offer valid for 2 days.