We don't really want majority rule... the thing that democracy is. I mean, if you are in the 49% that lost, you wouldn't be happy. Rather, lets get into "no government rule" so that we are free. Government should only exist to protect private property for the people. Some of that protection comes in the form of judging between claims of wrongdoing between people. That's it. No other government over the people.  You are saying that morality is the responsibility of some vague other, 'government', rather than oneself. Are you telling me what I said? I don't see that in there at all. What do you mean? If you go to the most primitive society on the planet and a hostile person attacks you then the primitive people will grab the attacker.
In a government oriented society like ours people will usually either join the attacker if it seems he might win, or wait for 'the government' to solve the problem. What if government is the attacker, like most often in the United States? There are some things government is useful for. Building roads, organizing complex projects etc. Government is simply organization. If I and a few of my neighbors get together and build a road through our properties, we better be organized in our effort or it won't work. The organization is government. When the job gets finished, the government is not needed any more; disband it. If somebody who is not of our group wants to travel on our road, charge him. Toll road. If we need to form a government of ourselves to enforce our road toll, then we need to do it. Have as many governments as you want. But as soon as I am forced to be part of your government, then that is slavery. Freedom of speech is the first protection against any dangerous gang, including the scum who hide in governments. As long as speech is free, unhindered, it is clear who is dangerous. Democracy ideally is just free speech with a few other trivial bells and whistles.
Freedom of thought comes ahead of freedom of speech. The United States is not a democracy. It forces taxation. That's slavery. |
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If this was an inside job like many believe, those that perpetrated the whole thing aren't likely going to ever be prosecuted until the afterlife.
Well said. OP: In my opinion is the whole conspericy theory completely absurd. No goverment would like to have this type of damage on their capital, its just out of porportions. The same political goals could be made with much less damage. This is without any doubt in my mind the work of nasty teoriest. You talk like government is made up of people who are all on the same page, who all agree, and who have complete control of themselves in every way. Sounds kind of absurd to me. Those two try to construct a false consensus. Ignore them. A vote is always a good way to determine truth. It's how we knew the Earth was flat for thousands of years.  It is only democracy that allows us to know how dangerous our neighbors are. We don't really want majority rule... the thing that democracy is. I mean, if you are in the 49% that lost, you wouldn't be happy. Rather, lets get into "no government rule" so that we are free. Government should only exist to protect private property for the people. Some of that protection comes in the form of judging between claims of wrongdoing between people. That's it. No other government over the people. |
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History according to the internet. Stay in school kids.  School - especially college - is designed by the big bankers and government to be a fun place so that "kids" love to stay there. More student loans. |
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Every time I watch the news I see some lunatics from the U.S. congress demanding war, violence and destruction. This after nutjobs that somebody voted for have ruined country after country around the world in endless war scams. And on the news I see on a regular basis nutcase police hired and supervised by some nutjobs that somebody voted into office. This is what I see, the retards that vote for all this psychojunk and the violence it brings see it quite differently I´m sure.
And when you fight their demands, then they do something like this... from http://www.inquisitr.com/2021165/jade-helm-walmart-conspiracy-biggest-plumbing-job-in-history-or-something-far-more-sinister/: Walmart closures in Texas, California, Florida, and Oklahoma have sparked mounting concerns over Operation Jade Helm. Five Walmart stores will close abruptly for the next six months. Shocked Walmart workers who have found themselves suddenly out of a job were told that “plumbing problems” are the cause of the immediate closures. Employees impacted by the Walmart closures were given just a few hours notice about the six-month shutdown. Approximately 2,200 employees will now be without a paycheck during the “extended repairs.” As previously reported by the Inquisitr, Operation Jade Helm involves 1,200 special forces team members being dropped into seven southwestern states as a part of realistic military training exercises. The domestic special ops training has become highly controversial. The special ops soldiers, some of the most elite fighting men in the world, will be ordered to “operate undetected” among the American civilian population Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2021165/jade-helm-walmart-conspiracy-biggest-plumbing-job-in-history-or-something-far-more-sinister/#dhQKfUJiQVSJZTBD.99. Google "walmart jade helm." Read more and see pictures at http://www.inquisitr.com/2021165/jade-helm-walmart-conspiracy-biggest-plumbing-job-in-history-or-something-far-more-sinister/EDIT: More pictures at http://allnewspipeline.com/What_Martial_Law_Will_Look_Like.php. |
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Spendulus you are off on a red herring. It doesn't really matter why flight 93 went down. It is a peripheral issue.
The evidence indicates it was shot down and that was then hidden from the public. But it doesn't really matter here, it is not central to the broader 911 question.
There is little doubt that passengers were going to try to overwhelm the hijackers and there is little doubt that while that process was developing the plane was shot down, a tragedy within a tragedy. If it was shot down most people would reluctantly admit the decision was justifiable based on everything that was known. It is the rampant deception surrounding so many aspects of 911 that is not justifiable.
Who does the deception serve and who pays the price for it?
No, the evidence does not show it was shot down. Have you actually looked at the so called "debris fields?" They are not typical of either in air breakups or planes being "shot down." There really isn't much debris there at all. I am saying this. You admit the complete story of the passengers counterattacking, but conclude then that a fighter jet shot it down. (No SAM batteries are deployed....) So missiles were pulled from storage, mounted on a combat aircraft that was fueled and ready to go, the aircraft launched, and the attack commenced....and that combat aircraft is going after 93 WHICH HAS IT'S TRANSPONDER TURNED OFF??? This encounter is successful, and the aircraft is shot down. But no major parts such as wing, tail section, etc are found scattered? No seats? This is a conspiracy theory that makes no sense. No debris says no plane. We watch many things in movies. It's part of the way Americans are so easily led to believe that the impossible can happen. They saw the impossible happen in movies. But there was debris. Unfortunately for the conspiracy theory, the debris was exactly where the Government guys and first responders said it was - in a hole in the ground. The hole was little, like a garbage pit. Who dragged some make-believe debris into the garbage pit to make it look like there was a cleanup process taking place? |
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Nobody ever agrees 100% with anyone else. Part of the reason for this is that nobody can get into the complete thinking of anyone else. Regular forum members, borderline trolls, and real trolls are all there to discuss. The stupid trolls can be bypassed easily, because they show that don't know anything simply by their language. The smart trolls bring up good points that need investigation. People can find out if their ideas are right or wrong, simply by listening and examining what a smart troll has to say. Borderline trolls are standard members who are fighting so hard for points that they believe, that they troll a bit in their fight. It is a forum. |
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of course its a kike troll seeking to discredit genuine revisionist thought
no revisionist historian argues about whether camps existed or denies that a great calamity befell the jews of europe. what they do deny is that 6 million of them were executed in gas chambers on the orders of adolf hitler. this moron has twisted things to where he agrees that the mass extermination took place and says it was a great thing. think the idea is that anyone who had doubts before forgets them and gets disgusted with his justification for the evil holocaust and goes and watches shindlers list again to remind themselves why we must support israel why anti racism why never again blah blah blah
A lot of what you say looks like it. Still, there are some points that come to light by the OP's post, even if he is wrong. The main point that this awakens for me is, much of the peace of the free world is based on how much the governments of the free world can steal from, and murder in, the parts of the world that are not free. When the free world looks at its economy and the forming police state... violence might be turning around to bite them in the back. |
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Come on you guys. Trolls are good for us. They often bring to light points that we wouldn't have thought of otherwise. The biggest point that they bring to light is that they show us how much strength of belief and commitment we have in the things we say. If we don't have the desire to shoot down a troll, why do we even post in the first place? In that case, get a free website and start a blog that nobody will ever look at. |
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You might have a very good friend who is a fellow Islamite. You happen to see a Christian who you do not know, but is standing near you. Both of these other people in all seriousness call you a bad word. Which of them will have hurt your feelings more? Your friend who you didn't expect it from? Or the Christian who you expected it from? God gave Israel all kinds of good things. He confided in Israel with His wonderful words. He was their friend. And, at times they were his friend. Israel, the people who were given some of the greatest good by God, turned against God. God was very hurt, just like you would be if your good friend turned against you. So, He destroyed them as a nation. God expects Islam to be against Him. He knows it. So it doesn't hurt Him much when they prove it. Since He doesn't get all upset with them, He doesn't go around destroying them. In the same way you wouldn't get all upset with a Christian doing something against you because you expect it, so God doesn't get all upset with Islam for the ways they are against Him. He expects it from them. Islam will be destroyed like all the other nations, at the appropriate time. But Israel hurts God deeply when they turn against Him, because He thought they were His friend. stick to the topic Thank you. I always remember that. How about you? It's so easy to understand why Islam hates. It is because they haven't been the chosen of God, and they know it. It reminds me of the hate of Cain when he killed Abel... as recorded in the beginning of Genesis. i am the defendant and yes i stick to the topic everytime, which i remind you have not watched the 2 links i provided days ago. and seems to always evade the topic when it comes up. also you started deriving from the topic, as always. you should check your posts. all i do is reply whilst you spread the FUD There are a lot of people in the world who have been deceived by Islam, and by the appearance of peace many of the people of Islam show. Then, when Islam is entrenched around them, the violence and hate of Islam appear. The greatest hate and violence of Islam is that it is destroying its own people by not showing them the salvation of Jesus, the only way to eternal life. Get rid of Islam so the Islamites can be saved. Islam is that it is destroying its own people by not showing them the salvation of Jesus, the only way to eternal life. Get rid of Islam so the Islamites can be saved. stick to the topic I was simply showing how Islam is hateful, without saying the word "hate." This thread is not about sticking to the topic. It is about the Hate of Islam. Stick to the topic. |
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A vote is always a good way to determine truth. It's how we knew the Earth was flat for thousands of years. The shape of the earth didn't matter to those who weren't affected by knowing it. Those who needed the knowledge for some particular purpose, knew the earth wasn't flat... like Columbus. Ferdinand and Isabella understood the truth when Columbus showed it to them. They simply were quiet about it, because the Roman Church - which always wants to keep people ignorant of the truth - was powerful in those days. Many other people understood that the earth wasn't flat. However, maybe it is flat. |
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You might have a very good friend who is a fellow Islamite. You happen to see a Christian who you do not know, but is standing near you. Both of these other people in all seriousness call you a bad word. Which of them will have hurt your feelings more? Your friend who you didn't expect it from? Or the Christian who you expected it from? God gave Israel all kinds of good things. He confided in Israel with His wonderful words. He was their friend. And, at times they were his friend. Israel, the people who were given some of the greatest good by God, turned against God. God was very hurt, just like you would be if your good friend turned against you. So, He destroyed them as a nation. God expects Islam to be against Him. He knows it. So it doesn't hurt Him much when they prove it. Since He doesn't get all upset with them, He doesn't go around destroying them. In the same way you wouldn't get all upset with a Christian doing something against you because you expect it, so God doesn't get all upset with Islam for the ways they are against Him. He expects it from them. Islam will be destroyed like all the other nations, at the appropriate time. But Israel hurts God deeply when they turn against Him, because He thought they were His friend. stick to the topic Thank you. I always remember that. How about you? It's so easy to understand why Islam hates. It is because they haven't been the chosen of God, and they know it. It reminds me of the hate of Cain when he killed Abel... as recorded in the beginning of Genesis. i am the defendant and yes i stick to the topic everytime, which i remind you have not watched the 2 links i provided days ago. and seems to always evade the topic when it comes up. also you started deriving from the topic, as always. you should check your posts. all i do is reply whilst you spread the FUD There are a lot of people in the world who have been deceived by Islam, and by the appearance of peace many of the people of Islam show. Then, when Islam is entrenched around them, the violence and hate of Islam appear. The greatest hate and violence of Islam is that it is destroying its own people by not showing them the salvation of Jesus, the only way to eternal life. Get rid of Islam so the Islamites can be saved. |
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I was just going to say, much of what the OP says is truth. We need to know it even if there is disagreement from others. Well, i don't agree with genocide of the Jews. Just remove them from positions of power. They basically run the world ever since WW1. This is good. Don't kill anyone. But if they keep on coming after you, how can you stop them without killing them? Especially if they are generally smarter and more intelligent than you? How do you get peace from others who won't give you peace? How do you get others to leave you alone if you simply want to be left alone and they don't want you to leave you alone? Hitler had many agendas. Some of them were to get the rest of the world off the back of the German people. |
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can I contribute with weed? to share? ahaha. I always thought the greenery in the background was palm branches or something similar. never... ahaha. So that is why the congregation is so captivated. The fragrance of weed flows over them. hearing cut roman 13 every sunday is boringer than you imagine  That's because people are listening to the wrong part of the plant, rather than smoking the right part. not bad  Thank you. I know you have tried it both ways. Now, take Romans 13 apart and see that God isn't telling anybody WHICH government you are to follow - outside of following His, more than any other. However, if you have made a commitment to follow a government and be a citizen thereof, shouldn't you live up to your agreements? If you don't like the government that you are in, change your agreements and get out of it. Getting out of the government doesn't have anything to do with remaining on or removing yourself from the land. nope nope, sometime you believe in good faith that for example your are going to defend and protect the us constitution and bills of rights illustrations of the God Given Rights to all Natural Born American Citizens, however then you discover the Epstein and Clintons of these United States... and you are free, as always, because only in the deepest of your soul can you hope to find the force to be ready to what will come, it's death, and be ready, not a piker, for sure. edit: most plants don't move because they know it's useless to hide, and they will never be far enough . If you are not part of government, yet you uphold them, you are upholding something outside of yourself. For example, the 9th Amendment means, that none of the rights that are listed in the Constitution, nor the fact that certain rights are listed in the Constitution, can detract from other rights that people have. In other words, the Constitution is virtually worthless for controlling the individual activities of individual people, because the people have always had the right to do whatever they want. Just because they allowed a Constitution and Constitutional Government to be set in place, doesn't take away from any of their rights whatever they might be. The 9th Amendment expresses this. The Constitution and government are for controlling corporations, for protecting property for the people, and for dealing with foreign nations. That's it. Nothing that the government does against any of the people has any effect if the people stand up and use the 9th Amendment. No need to hide. |
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I don't like terrorists. That's why I don't watch horror movies. I don't like being terrorized. |
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If this was an inside job like many believe, those that perpetrated the whole thing aren't likely going to ever be prosecuted until the afterlife.
Well said. OP: In my opinion is the whole conspericy theory completely absurd. No goverment would like to have this type of damage on their capital, its just out of porportions. The same political goals could be made with much less damage. This is without any doubt in my mind the work of nasty teoriest. You talk like government is made up of people who are all on the same page, who all agree, and who have complete control of themselves in every way. Sounds kind of absurd to me. |
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You might have a very good friend who is a fellow Islamite. You happen to see a Christian who you do not know, but is standing near you. Both of these other people in all seriousness call you a bad word. Which of them will have hurt your feelings more? Your friend who you didn't expect it from? Or the Christian who you expected it from? God gave Israel all kinds of good things. He confided in Israel with His wonderful words. He was their friend. And, at times they were his friend. Israel, the people who were given some of the greatest good by God, turned against God. God was very hurt, just like you would be if your good friend turned against you. So, He destroyed them as a nation. God expects Islam to be against Him. He knows it. So it doesn't hurt Him much when they prove it. Since He doesn't get all upset with them, He doesn't go around destroying them. In the same way you wouldn't get all upset with a Christian doing something against you because you expect it, so God doesn't get all upset with Islam for the ways they are against Him. He expects it from them. Islam will be destroyed like all the other nations, at the appropriate time. But Israel hurts God deeply when they turn against Him, because He thought they were His friend. stick to the topic Thank you. I always remember that. How about you? It's so easy to understand why Islam hates. It is because they haven't been the chosen of God, and they know it. It reminds me of the hate of Cain when he killed Abel... as recorded in the beginning of Genesis. |
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i can give you quotations and verses from the old and the new testament showing hatred, violence
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The difference between all other religions - including the New Testament - and Islam is, Islam's words of violence are directives for Islamites to do violence and hatred, right in Islamic writings. The other religious books talk about violence as warnings for people, hopefully so that they will not be destroyed in the anger of God. Writings other than Islam's seldom talk about violence and hatred as general directives for people to go out and do it. But, quite a bit of Islamic writings seem to do just that... tell Islamites to go out and show hatred and do violence to people who are not Islamites. so thats all you saw me posting?? just that line? or is it the only line that you can have an argument on? quite selective huh There isn't any argument. There is only the truth and lies. |
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You might have a very good friend who is a fellow Islamite. You happen to see a Christian who you do not know, but is standing near you. Both of these other people in all seriousness call you a bad word. Which of them will have hurt your feelings more? Your friend who you didn't expect it from? Or the Christian who you expected it from? God gave Israel all kinds of good things. He confided in Israel with His wonderful words. He was their friend. And, at times they were his friend. Israel, the people who were given some of the greatest good by God, turned against God. God was very hurt, just like you would be if your good friend turned against you. So, He destroyed them as a nation. God expects Islam to be against Him. He knows it. So it doesn't hurt Him much when they prove it. Since He doesn't get all upset with them, He doesn't go around destroying them. In the same way you wouldn't get all upset with a Christian doing something against you because you expect it, so God doesn't get all upset with Islam for the ways they are against Him. He expects it from them. Islam will be destroyed like all the other nations, at the appropriate time. But Israel hurts God deeply when they turn against Him, because He thought they were His friend. |
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Wasn't the whole point about this thread being created in response to the now-closed-because-the-damn-atheists-wouldn't-stop-disproving-our-claims-about-the-koran-itself-being-evidence-of-miracles thread, so that the Xtians could prove their 'holy' book was also evidence of the miraculous?
Simply spouting text from the stories about supposed miracles that took place isn't the same thing. The Muslims claimed that their text contained knowledge that COULD NOT have been known at the time by mortal man, albeit, these claims were rapidly shot down in flames as the absurd string of fallacious arguments they were, but their thread was at least about the claim towards trying to show their book as being more special than yours, Xtians.
So you can't just roll out a list of 'miraculous' events, as this is not the same thing as showing your eclectic collection of highly-edited-over-the-centuries cherry-picked old-and-new testament fables possess within them a quality which, by the mere fact of inclusion, serves as evidence that your book is moar speshul.
At this point it looks like you're losing. Come on Xtians! Make an effort here otherwise your book will, too, simply end up looking like it is, in fact, just a collection of highly-edited-over-the-centuries cherry-picked old-and-new testament fables.
Well, there are a lot of people today who claim miracles in Jesus name through the laying on of hands. And while modern medicine won't formally acknowledge any miracles, there are lots of healings in people that seem miraculous, that the doctors simply don't understand the why and the how of. not understanding doesn't mean miracle. It does when it defies common knowledge and understanding. In fact, that is what miracles are all about. From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/miracle?s=t: miracle
[mir-uh-kuh l]
noun
1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.
3. a wonder; marvel.
4. a wonderful or surpassing example of some quality:
a miracle of modern acoustics.
5. miracle play.
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