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3681  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Using duplicated of a signed bitcoin transaction more than once (?) on: August 10, 2022, 11:57:00 AM
Before that, you can sign a transaction offline without any knowledge of previous inputs that a bitcoin address may have on the blockchain...
No, you can't. You can sign a transaction offline only with specific reference to previous transactions which create the UTXOs you want to spend. As soon as those UTXOs are spent, then it does not matter what other coins are present on the address(es) in question. Previously confirmed transactions will not be valid again because the specific UTXOs they spend have been spent.

If it were possible to rebroadcast a transaction and take more bitcoin from the same address, then anyone who withdrew anything from a centralized exchange's hot wallet could just rebroadcast their withdrawal transaction over and over and over until the hot wallet was empty. Obviously this doesn't happen.
3682  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Warning]: Email marketing firm Klaviyo, hacked, crypto industry lists stolen on: August 10, 2022, 11:41:53 AM
For sure they have implemented a lot of security measures to prevent this kind of happenings.
Says who? Have you personally audited their security systems? Has any third party audited their security systems?

The fact is that many many crypto based companies, from tiny marketing agencies through to the largest centralized exchanges, have absolutely awful security, which is borne out in frequent hacks of both coins and personal information. As soon as you hand any coin or any piece of information over to any third party, then that coin or piece of information is at risk of theft, regardless of how big or reputable you think that third party is.
3683  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Missing bitcoins and litecoins from ledger nano s on: August 10, 2022, 11:27:18 AM
Do you not know if you own 0.4 or 0.72 BTC? Can you look back on all your old purchases/trades and figure out which one is the accurate value?

Also note that Ledger Live is showing your native segwit account only. Have you checked your legacy or your nested segwit accounts too?
3684  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Another one bites the dust: lending platform Hodlnaut on: August 10, 2022, 11:13:38 AM
"Recent market conditions". Just another way of saying "We made ridiculously risky investments/loans/gambles". My bitcoin is going through the exact same market conditions but I haven't lost a single satoshi because I didn't make stupid gambles.

Atlantic City. People are idiots and scammers will figure out a way to make them want to give them money.
Same nonsense we saw/see with altcoins, ICOs, IEOs, NFTs, DeFi, etc, etc, etc. Next shiny thing comes along promising obviously bullshit returns, bunch of newbies lose money. Rinse and repeat with some new buzzwords.

I will not trust anymore DeFi staking until regulators can give a real solution to protect investors on bullshit bankruptcy exit scheme.
Or perhaps instead of screwing up the entire cryptocurrency space with scam after scam and thereby enforcing governments to swoop in regulate everything they can get their grubby fingers on, we could just stop throwing money at these obvious scams?
3685  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Wasabi solves fungibility. on: August 10, 2022, 10:47:57 AM
It is too bad that many people just don’t or won’t get it.
Indeed. When the average user does not understand the importance of protecting their privacy, it is unfortunate. When a so called privacy wallet does not understand the importance of protecting privacy and advertises themselves on lies and deliberately misleading information, it is a scam.

I unhid franky1's post exactly because I was sure it would prove the point being discussed here, and he did not disappoint:
the only reason idiots are trying so hard to promote everyone should hide their transactions and break bitcoin accounting rules is put of pure selfish and greed and malicious intent by the shady people that want to get away with a crime and allow innocent people to be thrown into the fire.
Perfect example. "If you want privacy, it's clearly because you are trying to get away with a crime." Of course. There is no other reason to want privacy than if you are trying to hide a crime. That's why everyone walks through airports naked. Why would you need clothes unless you are trying to smuggle something across borders? That's why all emails ever sent are publicly published to a central database that anyone can read. Why would you need email privacy unless you are trying to commit a crime? That's why franky1 posts under his real name and address and not a pseudonym, right? Why do you need privacy, franky1? What are you trying to hide? Roll Eyes
3686  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why are so many Derivative Exchanges are filling for Bankcruptcy ? on: August 10, 2022, 10:31:12 AM
without realizing that 3AC was just continuously underwater because their bet on their having had purchased so much GBTC was a bet that an ETF would be approved in the USA
Take a look at this post as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/vy84rw/3ac_borrowed_millions_from_voyagerblockfi_user/

3AC didn't just gamble on GBTC; they also gambled on NFTs. They spent more than $2 million at the time on individual NFTs, including such priceless NFTs as pictures of DickButt. Roll Eyes The fact that places like Celsius and Voyager lent enormous sums to 3AC to gamble on such stupidity is nothing short of a scam.

so it ONLY starts to seem obvious that they are not sustainable once the music stops and everyone needs to find a chair.. and there are twice as many peeps as there are chairs.).
To be fair, there were many of us who spent months or even years warning people that these ridiculous returns were obviously unsustainable and the whole thing would collapse eventually. We were ignored, obviously, because "20% gains oh em gee!"
3687  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: I found a paper wallet on a beach ... seriously on: August 10, 2022, 10:02:31 AM
Ok... so if I were to liaise with any member from btctalk who had offered information here regarding my find,.. would you be the most trustworthy and be able to resolve this in the most morally appropriate manner? If not.. who?
No one. There is no requirement for this to be done in secret, and indeed, doing it in secret makes it less likely the real owner will find you. The chances of someone tracking down the real owner via blockchain analysis is much smaller than the chance of the real owner finding you after you publish the address in a public forum such as this one.

I've had many users over the years contact me privately after I helped them out in a thread, asking for more advice or even offering to share things like scrambled seed phrases or partial private keys asking me to help them brute force them. My response is always the same - far better for both parties to keep the discussions public, so the other party can get opinions from other forum users on the things I tell them and can verify I'm not trying to scam, and so that I cannot be accused of scamming them in private.

Sharing the address does not allow anyone else to attempt to steal the coins, so you should start there. If you want to proceed to creating an OP_RETURN output as has been suggested in this thread, then I or someone else can create a transaction for you which can be verified by other users so all you have to do is sign it with the private key. And again, we can publicly talk you through the steps to do that. Doing all this publicly is far safer than you sharing the private key with someone on this forum, even someone well trusted.
3688  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Wasabi blacklisting update - open letter / 24 questions discussion thread on: August 09, 2022, 08:46:36 PM
but it can no longer track outputs as some of the naysayers here are saying.
You sure? Chainanalysis can de-mix Wasabi coinjoins, and Wasabi is pretty much infamous for it's flawed address reuse and combining of coinjoined and uncoinjoined outputs.

which is still censorship resistant and have better privacy than electrum wallet with default settings.
A wallet which is actively censoring some outputs cannot be called "censorship resistant". And Electrum is not a privacy wallet and makes no claims in regards to privacy.

I have been personally against the implementation of the blacklisting and voiced my concerns about it to no avail, but further consideration proves it was an acceptable decision otherwise the company would have shut down and there would be one less player in the privacy space who works on actual privacy tools that contribute to the fungibility of bitcoin.
Wasabi are contributing nothing to fungibility. They are actively hurting it.

Given that you are a brand new account which is simply repeating all the now thoroughly debunked Wasabi talking points, I question who is actually behind this account.
3689  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Wasabi solves fungibility. on: August 09, 2022, 08:31:21 PM
Well said.  It is merely Orwellian doublethink—or perhaps, a marketing sleight-of-hand to pull the wool over the eyes of nontechnical users who do not think in such precise terms.
I am fairly certain that most of the people behind Wasabi don't believe many of the things they are saying:
It certainly seems like this is the narrative they are trying to push; that they are the sole arbitrators of what is and is not fungible. As I said previously, as far as I am concerned this viewpoint is actively malicious.

I strongly disagree with that use of terminology.
Just to address this point: So do I. You are well aware that I have argued long and hard against nonsensical statements such as that anyone who has the slightest interest in maintaining some financial privacy must be a criminal, terrorist, money launderer, or what have you.

However, given that nopara73 has consistently and repeatedly failed to answer basic questions as to how he thinks blacklisting and censorship is somehow beneficial to fungibility, has consistently and repeatedly demonstrated that he believes in taint and taint analysis, and is building a product specifically designed to cater only to those good little citizens with "nothing to hide", an answer to a basic question using his own preferred terminology might be more forthcoming.
3690  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: I found a paper wallet on a beach ... seriously on: August 09, 2022, 08:14:26 PM
I can even choose to create many wallets and drop them all around the world, it's my choice and freedom.
And I'm sure if you did that then lots of those paper wallets would be found and emptied of all their funds. That doesn't make it any less morally wrong for someone to empty a random wallet they find, unless you leave specific instructions on the wallet that you are giving permission to whoever finds it to empty that wallet.

I guess I am just not they type of person that blames other people for everything that happens in my life.
If a burglar breaks in to my house and steals everything I own, it doesn't matter whether I blame them for doing it or I blame myself for not boarding up all my windows and doors. It is theft and it is morally wrong.

Someone is taking your money with taxes all the time and it's perfectly fine for you, yeah I guess that's ok because it's State and Government  doing it  and you ''can't'' do anything about it Roll Eyes
The fact is that emptying a paper wallet which is not yours is theft. Opinions on taxation are irrelevant.
3691  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges on: August 09, 2022, 08:01:29 PM
Exactly, but this was slow gradual process and they offered benefits and incentives to make people switch using mostly digital fiat money.
As with all things privacy related. People are happy to let Amazon and Google record every single word that is spoken inside their house, provided it means they can play a song without having to press like 3 buttons on their phone. They will of course be happy to transition away from cash if it means some 1% reward on their spending.

People have always been happy to trade their privacy for the slightest convenience. This is why we need both education as well as privacy enforcement at the protocol level.

But the main difference is of course that this taint is only used to catch the real bad guy, and not to blame anyone who received the money later on.
Which everyone seems to understand without a second though when it comes to fiat, but for some reason when it comes to bitcoin people start defending the ridiculous privacy invasion and stealing of coins which is practiced by centralized exchanges. I've never understood why, other than they just mindlessly by in to the government propaganda without question.
3692  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why beginners should pay attention to their privacy on: August 09, 2022, 07:47:42 PM
I also use Brave in rare cases like to just have some normal search and watch some add free YouTube if I want to nothing else.
But there is no reason to use Brave for either of reasons. Firefox is better option for almost everything. You can use container tabs or separate profiles to keep different usages of Firefox separate. If you really want, you can install Firefox more than once, or install different versions of Firefox (default, beta, developer, etc.) or even run a separate instance of Firefox in a VM to keep some use completely separate from other uses, and allow you to have a very hardened version of Firefox with appropriate browser extensions as well as a completely basic and out-of-the-box version of Firefox too.

And if you really need a Chromium based browser for a specific task, then as I've said before, Ungoogled Chromium is the best option.
3693  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: I don't understand the seed management on Electrum on: August 07, 2022, 07:09:15 PM
Even to reach half of the shown required computations shown in that video which might roughly be what's needed to "break" a 12-word mnemonic seed phrase should convince you that you simply can't brute-force a 12-word mnemonic seed phrase at all.
2128 is not half of 2256.

Half of 2256 is 2255. 2128 is 2128 times smaller than 2256. This is obviously exponentially smaller than just halving, but still orders of magnitude beyond what will ever be realistically possible to crack.
3694  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 'Wasabigeddon' article discussion (it supposedly solves fungibility) on: August 07, 2022, 06:44:30 PM
is it fair to say that Wasabi is making bitcoins fungible?
Maybe you are making some bitcoins fungible, but you are not making Bitcoin fungible. If anything, you are actively working against Bitcoin fungibility by enforcing taint and directly funding blockchain analysis.

That's exactly what Wasabi Wallet coinjoins are doing.
For carefully selected outputs which are already treated as fungible by your blockchain analysis partners. To paraphrase someone from Twitter: What good is a washing machine which only washes clean clothes?

I still don't get how it's possible to push something through that someone's not philosophically aligned with.
Because profits are more important than philosophies.
3695  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges on: August 07, 2022, 05:54:00 PM
In this case, I just don't get the hypocrisy between crypto and fiat (in the former, taint is enforced, in the latter it's not.
The hypocrisy is as I explained above. They can already control fiat, so no need for taint analysis. They cannot control bitcoin, so better make up arbitrary nonsense to scare people in to submission.

But taint the ability to enforce taint is a technical problem
Is it, though? There is nothing in the bitcoin code which gives anyone the ability to enforce taint or otherwise censor your outputs. Taint is only enforceable because of centralized services which have complete control over all deposits to their platforms. If everyone changed their behavior and stopped using centralized platforms, taint wouldn't exist. That makes the enforcement of taint, at least partially, an anthropological problem. Which is why I continue to advocate for education, and not just technical changes.
3696  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Which Wallet support multi seed phrase import? on: August 07, 2022, 05:40:14 PM
That's enlightening! Then, I guess recovering the two missing words should work absolutely fine as long as the original owner did use the wallet for Bitcoin at least once.
Yeah, that's the kicker. If the default bitcoin wallet at m/44'/0'/0' was never used, then the search will return no results. OP would have to try other derivation paths, and then potentially other coins. btcrecover does also recover seed phrases using major alts such as Ethereum and Litecoin, but OP would need an address database for each one and would have to exhaust the entire search space multiple times over.

After recovering them, the seed could then just be imported into a trusted (!!) multi-coin wallet to get access to other crypto.
The only wallet I would use for such a task would be a hardware wallet. I'm not aware of any multi-coin software wallet which is open source and reputable.
3697  Economy / Reputation / Re: The most influential people of the forum. Who are they? on: August 07, 2022, 05:09:46 PM
How can a member create a club in the forum, it is not like they can go to the pub and have beer together discussing how best to further strengthen the club
Not beer; Scotch whisky.



The real answer here is achow101. As the only Core maintainer with an active presence here, he is probably the most influential person here in terms of bitcoin's development and future.
3698  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: I don't understand the seed management on Electrum on: August 07, 2022, 10:36:10 AM
What prevents a person from having access to the wallet?
Math.

The sheer size of the numbers we are dealing with here are incomprehensible. You are wondering about a single person or a single machine generating millions of seed phrases a second. Let's take that to the extreme. Let's say every single one of the 8 billion people in the entire world are generating and checking a billion seed phrases a second, and they all keep doing that for the next 1 million years. In that entire time, the entirety of the human race will have checked approximately 0.00000074% of all possible 12 word seed phrases.

So feel free to set up your computer to generate as many seed phrases as possible from now until the day you die. You will generate billions or even trillions of empty seed phrases, which will be akin to a single grain of sand from all the beaches on the planet.
3699  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Which Wallet support multi seed phrase import? on: August 07, 2022, 10:22:29 AM
It's not normal practice to reuse your Bitcoin wallet's seed phrase to create altcoin wallets, if that's what you meant.
Now, I'll preface this reply by restating that I don't know much about altcoins because >99% are outright scams as far as I am concerned, but I still think it is very common that people reuse the same seed phrase across multiple coins.

If you use a multi-coin mobile wallet as many people do, such as Coinomi, then you get one seed phrase across all your coins. If you use a hardware wallet, then you get one seed phrase across all your coins. I think it would only be if someone downloaded and used separate wallets for every coin (which I suspect very few people do) that someone would have different seed phrases for each coin.
3700  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Square is considering making a hardware wallet for Bitcoin on: August 07, 2022, 10:15:21 AM
Apparently, Blockstream actually invented shared self-custody, before Block??
Blockstream Green used to be known as GreenAddress until Blockstream acquired it and made it their own. I think the difference here between this and whatever Block are making is that Blockstream are open that they only hold one key and therefore cannot access your funds. If you lose your other two keys, then you lose your wallet. This is obviously in contrast to Block, who say if you lose your other two keys then they can somehow manage to recover them.

In terms of your question about mobile wallets, I would just stick to Electrum. If you want to use it easily but not very privately, just install and run. If you want to go a bit more technical but a lot more private, point it towards your own Electrum server.
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