The only respect I ever had for the guy was that he adopted a kid from Bangladesh.  At this point I would't be surprised to learn that he only did so in order that he and his creepy friends could abuse her.

It's said that he took out a set of power lines in Italy.  Then John 'hot-start' McCain melted down the aircraft carrier Forrestal fucking around on deck.  Then he tried to crash land another plane into a residential area but thankfully he failed.

It's good to have a daddy and grand-daddy who were navy flag officers when you are as big a fuck-up as Jihad Johnny.

Of course there was also the savings and loan scam when he was a sitting senator.

The guy's whole life has been an epic and on-going disaster for the U.S..  It will be a day to celebrated when he finally kicks the bucket.

Q will do you no good without energy input estimates.  I suppose you are saying that one end of the span heated up and the heat worked it's way across (since there was little or no fuel left under the part which could be seen in the vid and the grass there was fine?)  OK.  If the span is 20m x 0.5m x 100m, that's about 2.5x10^6 kg.  Heating that mass up to 800C with a specific heat of near 1kj/kg is around 2x10^9 kj or 2,000,000 Mj.  With an incineration value of 50Mj/kg, that's about 40,000kg of HDPE.  So at least that much material would have to burn up in that amount of time, put 100% of it's energy directly into the concrete structure, and the energy would have to stay contained in the structure and transfer evenly across the whole span.

In reality, a fire under the span would disperse most of it's energy to the atmosphere and relatively little to the overpass structure.

As for the Q value, I can tell intuitively that no amount of warming on one end is going to work it's way to the other in under an hour, much less enough to raise the temp to 800 C.  Just now I noticed an aerial view and the surface is wet from fire department hoses.  Both the standing section and the collapsed one.  That is exactly what I would expect just from doing things in the real world.

Also, in actually looking at the pics I'm probably off on my span size estimates.  But the contention of heat transfer is so absurd that it doesn't matter much.  The theory is still a joke.

In my mind, the real remaining question is 'how?' though it is not likely a simple answer.



Another part missing from the graphic "... . Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so."

On the topic of 'freedom', here's another perennial favorite of mine:



I would add that 'we' are not really all that aware of what people were like in the past.  At least not first-hand.  It might be deceptively easy to paint 'zombie-ism' with to broad a brush.  Or not.

Calling Spendulus.  Don't lose interest so soon bro!

You see the linear strip of pulverized concrete directly under the bearing lip?  See the green grass upon which the debris lays?

Are you going to argue that the fire was so intense that within an hour or less it heated the re-bar embedded within the concrete to a plastic condition yet did not even burn the grass 20 feet below?

If I were you, I would try to argue instead that the fire was more intense on the far side and cause a failure there.  Then the bending force shattered the concrete (which can be seen raining down just prior to the explosion.)  The problem here is that the dropped span seems to have come straight down indicating simultaneous failure of the bearing surfaces on both ends of the span.  (The world is so full of amazing symmetrical failure modes these days...)

(Actually what many people would take for 'the explosion' is in fact a draft from the falling span.  The interesting part is a fraction of a second before that.  The direction of draft also gives a good indication of the orientation of the span as it fell.  To bad the shot was not a little more wide because I suspect that the right edge actually started falling first.)

Another thing you might try is that explosives positioned to fracture the bearing lip or the first part of the span would do more damage to the grass 20' below.  I would concede that this is at least a noteworthy observation.

Or you could say "Ya, the official story is clearly bull and it looks a lot like it was blown, but who did it and for what reason isn't very clear."  aka, red-pill.

Or you could puss out and slink away.

After studying the issue for a while, an ah-ha! moment hits.  'regulation' and 'tax' are key elements in bringing the multi-national corporate world order into existence.  One has to 'zoom out' and get outside of the notion of national identity.   Then the world becomes your oyster where you can play with labor spreads, transportation efficiency, population dynamics, monetary instruments, etc.  They nearly had it with the TPP but it seems to be shelved for a few years at least, and thanks in no small part to Trump or at least to his election by us peeps.

So, it's not particularly that one changes regulations and fiddles with taxes.  It's whether one does so to the benefit of multi-national corporations and generally in adherence with certain strategies or not.  For me it is a little to early to tell with Trump.  The man himself seems to be in a bit of flux on various things anyway.  Also, anything which the corporate globalists tend to like about Trump are not focused on and usually not even reported.  Thankfully the alternative media, both those who were suspicious of Trump and those who were supportive of him are picking up the slack for the corporate media.  As usual.

As for Trump's business enterprises, yes, they are worldwide, but no, there is relatively little leverage in acting multi-nationally compared to extractive or manufacturing enterprises.  At least those in the real estate and entertainment industries.  He's actually a pretty small fish in the rich-people tank.  He doesn't seem to be of the caliber who have the resources to maintain controlling interests in multiple large corporations.  Nor does he chair a lot of so-called NGO's and foundations and what-not.  These are the playgrounds of those in a much higher pay-grade than poor little old Trump.  Perhaps he'll use the presidency to move himself and his fam up the ladder.  I'd be disappointed but not totally shocked if this turns out to be the case.

How many more of these before you start to wonder whether or not it is an accident?

Don't thank me unless you are banker, a Saudi, or a Zionist.  Actually, don't thank me even then.  I didn't do shit in that military action, and if my ass was actually in danger I would have done what I needed to do in order to get out of it.

Not sure what, exactly, you mean by 'zigging and zagging'.  The query is actually more vague than the semi-vague response.

If Trump feeds American money or American bullet-stoppers into the Middle East in order to deliver on the Obama/Clinton/Kerry Syria promises, he is definitely 'zagging' where I had some hope that he would be 'zigging'.  I'll work against such plans for the simple reason that, after developing 'ISIS' to terrorize them, I think we owe it to the Syrian people to try to get them to have a functional leader and functional society, and Assad is by far their best hope at this point.

The early 1990's so-called conflict.  Operation Peaceful Eagle Desert Freedom Fury or some bullshit.  I honestly don't recall the name.  I called Operation Bush CrimeFamily Oil Interests.  The thing involving Iraq and Kuwait with the babies and in incubators and whatever.  They told us that when we 'liberated' Kuwait and restored the King's golden toilet seat then they would work on 'Democracy' for the Monarchy.  I'm still waiting.

I actually was one of the last guys to get out of the Army but they made me report back as the IRR (Independent Ready Reserve) else they would keep my college fund.  I and others determined to make sure they knew it was a bad idea to call up the IRR in service to the scams of the elite and we seem to have made our point.  It was not, to my knowledge, done again.  Actually, maybe it was.  I don't recall exactly.  Anyway, a commitment is for 8 years.  {n} active and 8-{n} inactive.  Some of my most vivid nightmares involve finding out I had somehow re-enlisted and would have to waste another few years.  That has happened several times.  I shit you not!

I was just doing a news search.  One press release on whitehouse.gov from Trump claiming and update to the selective service, but not what it was.  That was several days ago.  Since then, a puff-piece about how great the WW-I draft was in Time (which is painfully embarrassing shill media for the establishment) and a similar piece in some other rag.

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Anyway, as far as my 'hunch', here's some input from a guy who studies this stuff a lot.  Worth listening to.  Give Infowars credit for publishing work which is pretty hard on the Trump admin when it needs to be said.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6wmv5WUaB8

Bannon gone because he isn't a neocon and the remaining neocon generals and hangers-on don't want him snooping around the NSC while they scheme.  Usually Jones interrupts even more than normal when someone says something which strays from the party line (e.g., that Trump is God's gift to America) but this time he basically seemed to listen and take the info in.

You young sprouts might want to put some thought into what you are going to do when the draft letter comes.  Looks like I picked the right time to receive my own (Gulf-I.)

I think that Trump really was genuine early on when trying to decide whether to try to maintain the global empire or go isolationist and focus on our own problems within.  Or hand the keys off to the so-called 'new world order' or 'global corporate technocratic order'.  It's looking more and more like he's made up his mind, or that it was made up for him, but the precise flavor of the upcoming conflict is not yet perfectly clear.

Patience Grasshopper.  All will be revealed in time.

Well stated.  Several times I listened to what Sanders was actually saying and it was riddled with logical errors.  Basically a bunch of leaps which make no sense.  It was amazing to me that his supporters ate it up because, compared to Clinton supporters, they were definitely a cut above on the intellectual scale.

I would probably have voted for Sanders vs. any of the Republican candidates except for Trump, Paul, or Carson.  This on the sole basis that I didn't and don't believe that Sanders was totally in the pocket of the deep state.  I would also totally expect that Sanders would either capitulate to whoever threatened him (as he ended up doing) or turn us into the next Venezuela within 4 short years.  I had already begun the process of 'diversifying' to partially prepare for that eventuality, but my chief concern was a Clinton presidency.

To me, Trump was the only candidate who I thought might be both a problem for the deep state and have the toughness to stand his ground.  Even then I never gave it above 50% odds on the former.  And even worse odds on the latter.  There seem to be signs over the last few weeks that he is capitulating or being beaten.  At least he got a surprisingly productive several months in which would be better than almost anyone else could accomplish.  And could be quite valuable insofar as it might have ended up buying some time for the smoldering fires in public opinion to gain strength.  Such red-pill type things would pay off years down the road (if at all.)

It's actually quite a lot more believable than the 'mooslims in caves in Afghanistan' story.

Back on Trump related stuff, many of us have been frusterated that Trump has been slow in re-staffing.  Cernovich is now reporting that the real foot-dragging has been on the part of the people who issue security clearances.  And that compromising these people was a focus of the deep state under Obama.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxQd2Bitqic

Seems to me to basically fit with what I've been observing.  Worth considering anyway.  Also, of course, it could be a way for the Trump team to have an excuse for 'failures'.

Economics might be a part of it.  I think I heard the judge say that a bond for the patsy who started things by 'setting a chair on fire' would be $200,000,000 which is the estimated damages.  Ya, someone is going to make a dime off this one.

I suspect that a much bigger part is psychological.  Now any concrete structure can be dropped by a few bums with a barrel fire and 95% of the sheep will 'know' the official story is possible because 'it happened in Atlanta'.

Certain infrastructure in Europe (at least) is designed to be blown for transportation denial reasons.  One of the things combat engineers stationed in Germany would practice was going to each, opening up the doors specially designed for the charges, and inserting dummy explosives.  I was not stationed there myself, but friends who were would tell me about it.  I don't believe that the general theme is classified information or anything.  Just not widely know perhaps.  At least not in the U.S..

Point is, mobility denial is an important consideration in military strategy.  Someone analyzing the I-85 failure pointed out that the lips were missing from the span bearing, and there was a dearth of re-bar which one would expect to see in such a design feature.  I cannot get a close enough look to verify this.  In the footage I found and linked above I did see some hanging bar but noted that it was not as much as I would have expected for a lip structure.

Another thing of note is that various people reported booms, and on the footage some could be heard and the camera guy also noted it.  I also notice that the 'cop' had a beard and a distinctly 'roid physique.  Looked more like a security contractor than a cop to me.

Looks to me like we are setting up for a situation where if the shit hits the fan economically a lot of urban and suburban dwellers are going to be stuck in place.  If one is of the opinion that there are to many people, the outcome of such an event should be to one's liking.

I stumbled across some vaccination records a few days ago.  Back in the mid 1960's very many fewer were the schedule.  I spent my first year in what were effectively third-world conditions.  After a year I was back in civilization and got 'caught up' for the first time.

I never get infections from wounds.  I get the sniffles and flu like everyone else but it almost never stops me from doing anything.  Only one time in a decade would I have stayed home from work, but there was a super critical project going on so I went in anyway and spent the day in a server room.

The nasty thing about vaccines is that in order to make them 'work' (meaning make one develop titers in the blood which last for a while which is the 'scientific' legal, and economic definition) it is necessary to use adjuvants.  These turbo-charge one part of the immune system (the part which works using antibodies.)  One problem is that the immune system is constantly at work beating down parts of one's own body which are misbehaving.  The adjuvants (usually aluminum) are non-specific.  It is no surprise at all that this turbo-charging of one element of the immune system would result in a cascade of auto-immunity problems, cancers, etc.  And that is exactly what we are seeing as the schedule calls for more and more vaccines at an earlier and earlier age.

I consider myself really lucky to have gone my first year vaccine free, in a non-sterile environment, and breastfeeding.  I suspect that your instinct on letting you immune system work on it's own is the correct one for anyone who doesn't have some sort of congenital defect.

I wasn't going to waste a lot of time in this event (or carry on on an inappropriate thread here), but I couldn't help spending a little time thinking about it and looking around.

If I were going to drop the thing, I would pulverize a couple feet near the bearing point.  This would leave bare re-bar which could not take the shear load and thus would drop the span.  After 9/11 a lot more is understood about the capabilities and properties of nano-thermite (which was scientifically proven to have been used to have been a pulverizing technique in the twin towers.)  It would be perfect for the job.

Near the beginning of this clip, if it's even the real I-85 site (and I've not spent the time to verify this as the layout looks a little wrong) is pretty much exactly what I would expect such a demo to look like (in the presence of a cloaking hydrocarbon smudge fire):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U48Ps9lMKAY

Note the linear strip of pulverized debris on the ground after the event.  Also the guy by the pickup truck calmly monitoring the event with binoculars.

I would suggest that one of the goals would be to probe the information transmission amongst the 2017 flock of sheep.  In other words, monitor who is saying what where.  e.g., on youtube, bitcointalk.org, etc.  Perhaps also a little make-work so the various dis-info agents don't let their meat loaf.

I'd say that the 'spools of cable' did cause the collapse in that they provided cover for people rigging up the event more than anything.

On the other hand, perhaps each spool burnt at, say, 700 C and all together they added up to 4000 C.  Right Spundulus?

Steve Pieczenik has some choice words about Gorsuch (and neocons, Trump's psychology, etc, etc.)  Unfortunately it's an Alex Jones interview and the guy interrupts like crazy...especially when he is not terribly happy with the interview-ee's ideas perhaps?  Anyway, Pieczenik is concise enough in his presentation that a viewer can get something out of it anyway.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6mTzTqE838

If Pieczenik's research is close to accurate, picking Gorsuch doesn't bode well for what Trump (or his handlers) have in mind for the direction of the country.  Roberts was rumored to be a die-hard corporatist while he was being considered.  When he was installed it became clear that the rumors were dead-on, and he outperformed even the more dire of the predictions.  There is no reason to be very hopeful that the same kind of thing won't be the case with Gorsuch.  Oh well.

On the I-85 thing, another possibility is that it is a bone-fide terrorist incident.  Anonymous (who I suspect is very often the CIA) produced this: 

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-OmL5wMlls

I suspect that there are, or will be, real terrorist incidents via Islamic radicals or other genunine groups.  Up until now I believe that all of the reasonably successful ones have been Western + Israeli intelligence managed a-la the Operation Gladio work.

One way or another, a choking hydrocarbon fire burning for half an hour is not something which I believe could take down a massive reinforced concrete structure unless there were extreme design deficiencies associated with thermal expansion bearing surfaces and what-not.  If the fire were reported to be of a fuel containing its own oxidizer (rocket propellant, thermite, etc) I might listen.  Compromizing steel encased in concrete with a smoky fire caused by burning plastic?  Not buying it.  Even if entrapped water shattered the concrete and exposed the steel or something like that, logic and experience tells me that it would take a lot longer than 30 minutes and it is unlikely to result in any structural failure at all, particularly if the structure were completely unloaded.

This guy found a streetview of the PVC that supposedly caught fire and collapsed the road.  Doesn't look like much to me.  Of course it is possible that it was packed more full of spools subsequent to the google car passing by.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MZpBuBlUoE