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3701  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripples getting debased? on: April 20, 2013, 12:31:02 PM
That's easy, it happened with every alternate cryptocurrecny in history.


Essentially it's a shakeout, people who got lots of them are dumping to pick up more of them before the pump. XRP started at 1BTC/50K. But they have the potential to go up further than any coin since they are truly deflationary, are useful and professionaly implemented.
If you were surprised by the course LTC has taken just watch what will happen to XRP.
3702  Local / Mining (Deutsch) / Re: Fuck You BFL on: April 20, 2013, 12:15:18 PM
Ich würde umfallen vor lachen wenn BFL derweil munter Geräte baut, klammheimlich an einer 51% Attacke arbeitet und dann mit dem Geld der Vorbestellungen den Kurs in die Knie bringt.
Dann ein Bankrun auf mtgox, ein Zurückrollen des blockchain über checkpoints und ein angenehmeres Klima in der BTC community für Jahre.

Ok ein eher unwahrscheinliches Szenario, was zur Zeit passiert ist ja auch Gold wert.  Grin
3703  Economy / Speculation / Re: Daily Chart to April 20th 2013 - Consolidation around $120 on: April 20, 2013, 11:55:20 AM
Linear trendlines and logarithmic trendlines have one thing in common:

They all get broken, the logarithmic ones just sooner.
3704  Local / Biete / Re: Investment Experiment für Kleinanleger on: April 20, 2013, 11:51:15 AM
Was ich bei dem ganzen Mist nicht verstehe ist:

Wenn du ein Konzept hast, das mit Fiat Geld funktioniert warum nutzt du nicht die zur zeit niedrigen Kreditzinsen aus anstatt hier für ein vielfaches der Rendite nach Geld zu fragen? Selbst mit dem Überziehungsrahmen lässt sich schon einiges machen ohne das du vorher groß der Bank Bescheid geben musst.
3705  Other / Off-topic / Re: BFL_JOSH This is who you send your money too on: April 20, 2013, 11:40:14 AM
In retrospect is tells you who the real clowns are.

3706  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is a flawed technology on: April 20, 2013, 11:25:54 AM
Bitcoin isn't a flawed technology.
It is just not designed to function as a practical system to build a society on. It was meant as a proof of concept and was hijacked by a weird libertarian cargo cult.
3707  Economy / Economics / Re: Video: Bitcoin Ponzi scheme on: April 20, 2013, 11:21:34 AM
Bitcoin is not a zero sum game!

Only if it lasts forever. If it doesn't it is indeed a zero sum game, it is also a zero sum game over any finite time period.
3708  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Introducing TrollCoin on: April 20, 2013, 09:51:54 AM
I hope the block reward is 10


Nah, trolls when in groups rarely troll themselves.

It will be 1 coin reward most likely
3709  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bears, Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is on: April 20, 2013, 09:32:25 AM
How about this one:

If price goes over USD250 first I owe you USD250
If price goes under USD50 first you owe me BTC5
3710  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin 7$? on: April 19, 2013, 08:21:19 PM
This is the low.

Do you want to buy any?  I have some for sale.

HAHAHAHA
3711  Economy / Speculation / Re: And now - the sucker's rally on: April 19, 2013, 08:17:39 PM
A universal answer to such kind of chart is a quesion: Where are we now in the following chart?



It is meaningless to discuss the chart without understanding underlying fundamentals

And how is that related to the valuation of bitcoin?
3712  Economy / Speculation / Re: And now - the sucker's rally on: April 19, 2013, 05:53:31 PM
Well I guess we have to ask the maker of this template if "valuation" is on a log scale.  Wink

The problem is on a log scale that graph spans over 8 magnitudes from the current point.
That would make one BTC worth approximately USD 20,000,000,000.

Now if somebody comes up with an explanation besides hyperinflation I am all ears. But that wouldn't be "valuation" then.


oh btw:
don't blink


Oh and media attention was the good wife episode.
3713  Other / Meta / Re: Armchair Analyst's Sword: That Bubble Chart on: April 19, 2013, 04:59:03 PM
The funniest thing about this is that the template is already so imprinted into your memory that all I have to do is post this one for your brain to associate it with it.  Grin
Your denial mechanism prevents you from admitting it but subconsciously you can't help it.



Thankfully, the procedure I posted works just as well for this one too (caution: will also disable this exact view at bitcoincharts.com).

Ignorance is Bliss
3714  Economy / Speculation / Re: And now - the sucker's rally on: April 19, 2013, 04:54:14 PM


no comment
3715  Other / Meta / Re: Armchair Analyst's Sword: That Bubble Chart on: April 19, 2013, 04:50:13 PM
The funniest thing about this is that the template is already so imprinted into your memory that all I have to do is post this one for your brain to associate it with it.  Grin
Your denial mechanism prevents you from admitting it but subconsciously you can't help it.

3716  Economy / Speculation / Re: Headline: Bitcoin Buzz Draws Western Union, MoneyGram on: April 19, 2013, 01:08:11 AM

All I see is a hint that you don't like me.

To actually defend myself from this idiocy: I know little about economics and make use of the things I know, being confused about a subject is a normal process in learning something new.
But that doesn't mean that I can't use the things I am comfortable with.
Now if you have a problem with that that is your predicament. And if you were interested in the subject at all instead of looking for a fight you would have addressed the other issues I raised of why I think western union will not do something like Bitcoin ATMs.
3717  Economy / Speculation / Re: Headline: Bitcoin Buzz Draws Western Union, MoneyGram on: April 19, 2013, 01:03:48 AM
BTC Books, your point?

But what about those dividends not actually payed out, or reinvested, shares hold internally, or reinvested profits not subject to dividends?

All of that is taken into account by the investors, making the stock price a fairly good indicator of investor confidence in the company. If the investors (who as shareholders, are typically in a good position to know) think the company's circling the drain, they'll want to sell. Just like in bitcoin, a lot of sells tend to push the price down.

Of course, there's always the chance that the company could be lying to it's stockholders (see: Enron) but no company is going to claim to be doing worse than they actually are. So, to expand, Price go down = bad; Price go up = good (usually)

thanks, that makes sense.
3718  Economy / Speculation / Re: Headline: Bitcoin Buzz Draws Western Union, MoneyGram on: April 19, 2013, 12:51:35 AM

But what about those dividends not actually payed out, or reinvested, shares hold internally, or reinvested profits not subject to dividends?

Yeah myrkul!  What about that - HUH?  HUH?

Because...

Quote
I don't know enough about stocks to judge that.

I am asking for somebody to educate me what is so hard to understand?  Huh
3719  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bullish on: April 19, 2013, 12:47:14 AM
Well the last micro-dip was lower than the previous one so my guess is it'll go down some now.
Trading in this time frame is too risky in any regard anyway.
3720  Economy / Speculation / Re: Headline: Bitcoin Buzz Draws Western Union, MoneyGram on: April 19, 2013, 12:45:33 AM
I don't know enough about stocks to judge that.

Price go down = bad.

thanks!  Cheesy

Seriously it's not that easy - I think. All I know there is more to a stock that the price, like dividends, the way they are payed out, the distribution of shareholders, etc..
What I do know it's not like the price of bitcoin.

The biggest thing that could affect a stock's price that wouldn't necessarily show on that chart is a split (1 stock @ $20 becomes 2 @ $10). WU has never split. Dividends are just profits paid out to shareholders at some rate per share.

But since WU has never split, It's enough like the BTC price to say "Price go down = bad."

But what about those dividends not actually payed out, or reinvested, shares hold internally, or internally reinvested profits not subject to dividends?
What I mean by this is: The amount of dividends shoudn't necessarily be fully proportional to the stock price.
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