email from avalon announcing batch 2
Confirmed, I just received the same email. I can confirm this as well.   |
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almost 70GH/s Where is that from? |
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You want to tell them to piss off, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your keyboard weapon. Use it. They are unarmed. Strike them down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment, you make yourself more like me...
Indeed. I suggest BitSyncom you turn away from becoming an Inaba. I understand that customer service is like washing a backed up toilet. (only worse since you have to deal with talking turds) Just give the facts and hide the anger as it looks bad and puts you on par with Inaba. Let your success do the talking and walking for you. Its a joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RFvAeSJgjcI thought it was an interesting (and strangely slow paced). I have never actually seen Star Wars. I don't even have a clue from what movie in the trilogy it is. I should go watch that movie someday. |
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Amazing how shipping deadlines of their own making seem to bring out the true colors of these vaporware vendors. Hey thanks at least for dropping the phony professionalism BitSyncom.
I'm just a human being. p.s. Since people are suggesting I get removed for potential scam, can I report people for slander also? Make sure to hit Inaba for once! (Half joking...no, wait, I am serious.) |
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You want to tell them to piss off, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your keyboard weapon. Use it. They are unarmed. Strike them down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment, you make yourself more like me...
Indeed. I suggest BitSyncom you turn away from becoming an Inaba. I understand that customer service is like washing a backed up toilet. (only worse since you have to deal with talking turds) Just give the facts and hide the anger as it looks bad and puts you on par with Inaba. Let your success do the talking and walking for you. |
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I have an order for 3 Avalons from Batch #1, and it concerns me greatly that they are starting to sell Batch #2 when no one has received anything from Batch #1, let alone has seen any proof that it is working at this point. Given that a number of things that were promised (e.g., demo) have not been delivered, I would caution anyone thinking about ordering from Batch #2 and to think very carefully before ordering.
If you really want to order from Batch #2 after all the warning that have been posted on this thread, I am concerned enough with Avalon that I am willing to part with my 3 Avalons from Batch #1. I am not sure how the order could be transferred, but if you still believe in Avalon, you could buy them from Batch #1 if you believe they are legit. Let me know if anyone is interested.
you cannot even change your shipping address on their website. i know. i tried. they are not responsive enough to make it happen and they appear not to care. have fun. Yifu has stated that he is not in the USA and that he currently does not have access to the system that controls the order status. That would explain why he hasn't done any of the record changes (or tickets apparently) requested by dust and others. |
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I would also like to expound on one of the more obvious points that I think as Americans we may be missing.
Avalon does not want to do customer service.
They want you to pay, then put the device into your hands and off you go. They don't exactly strive to be "personal". (From what I can see)
I think they were incredibly blunt in pointing out what they want their customers to agree to. That they are paying for an ASIC, not the cajoling/cuddling that comes out of customer care.
So if Batch 2 customers are okay with that style of relationship, that is likely what they will be getting.
If they don't want to do customer service then they shouldn't expect customers. The best small business routinely go over and beyond on customer service. This breeds loyalty and a healthy business. They said this in an interview. They wanted to sell ASIC chips, not devices originally. Edit: Their attitude with respect to customer services bleeds through even on the first page. |
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I would also like to expound on one of the more obvious points that I think as Americans we may be missing.
Avalon does not want to do customer service.
They want you to pay, then put the device into your hands and off you go. They don't exactly strive to be "personal". (From what I can see)
I think they were incredibly blunt in pointing out what they want their customers to agree to. That they are paying for an ASIC, not the cajoling/cuddling that comes out of customer care.
So if Batch 2 customers are okay with that style of relationship, that is likely what they will be getting.
P.S. The proof is in the pudding. They want it in reviewers hands to point out the selling points.
BFL is not yet at the point where they are putting PCB's together. I THINK Avalons strategy is to keep BFL committed to their current strategy. So that when they commit money and resources to their [BFL] final run...it will be too late for them to uncommit without wasting even more cash.
I do think part of their strategy may be to ride this question mark up until BFL begins building units.
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I understand that BFL at this current time hasn't shown anything and they pretty much have nothing of substance to show, but atleast they aren't asking for a second round of 100% deposits on units when nothing has materialized. People of Bitcointalk, please don't buy into the second round until team Avalon shows something from batch 1. Any potential customer considering batch 2 needs to be aware that you will more than likely be on the losing end of that financial transaction and the risk you are taking with your BTC is simply put, not worth it. You may likely gain more value from just holding on to $1500.00 worth of BTC in the next few months.
Uh, in case you missed the above. BFL are still taking orders. they are already up to 17k in their order number. So your outrage should be universal and not one sided. @MrTeal / PuertroLibre: I stand corrected, but my point still stands with regards to this particular threat & post. I think PuertoLibre, you are doing a good job of extracting and exposing information about BFL but seriously this thread reeks of all sorts of crazy. Atleast BFL take pre-order payments via Paypal and chargeback can be done via CC but to ask for 100% down payment with BTC in this situation is nuts. I actually agree with you. Believe it or not I am not blind to the short comings of Avalon. Even when BFL_Josh (Inaba) points out something valid I give him credence. I am a Fan of Avalon (well as much as a "fan" as you can be over a device??) but I am not a FanBoy. (FanBoys are irrational) |
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I understand that BFL at this current time hasn't shown anything and they pretty much have nothing of substance to show, but atleast they aren't asking for a second round of 100% deposits on units when nothing has materialized. People of Bitcointalk, please don't buy into the second round until team Avalon shows something from batch 1. Any potential customer considering batch 2 needs to be aware that you will more than likely be on the losing end of that financial transaction and the risk you are taking with your BTC is simply put, not worth it. You may likely gain more value from just holding on to $1500.00 worth of BTC in the next few months.
Uh, in case you missed the above. BFL are still taking orders. they are already up to 17k in their order number. So your outrage should be universal and not one sided. |
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How the fuck can you take orders for batch #2, when no one even has their orders from batch #1  The same way BFL and BTCFPGA did. |
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...and this is the respectable ASIC vendor. Holy crap.  Order NOW! Don't wait for the proof we promised! HURRY HURRY HURRY! WE NEED MONEY! RUN don't walk! And the funny thing is, people will probably do it. I doubt they set the date of open batch orders on the 31st with blind luck on their side. They probably know when it will get there and when the review should be done. $400 is either express or critical express (same day). The only hold up is probably customs. I doubt they will allow us to choose the shipping speed now that they are sending them out without notice. |
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Well, by their previous statements, they expect the first couple of customers to receive their units this week, so it's going to be a couple of exiting days.
I bet everyone is going to flood the site and occupy phantom Batch 2 orders. Thus waiting for the reviews to come out. |
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@ Bitsyncom
What shipping carrier method was used for batch 1?
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Looking back and tracing this wierd tangent, it came from Inaba. Look third party people took photos of our boxes of fans. See! We are totally ahead of Avalon in credibility! -------------  I wasn't aware that the metal and boxes of fans being photographed by third party would somehow boost a companies credibility. I thought that wasn't even in question that the cases and fans existed. The tangent is illogical to me as it seems like a stupid point to bring up. But then again, it is Inaba at it again. ------------- If a photograph is snapped of an Avalon outside the lab does it make it more "real"? No, unless you are calling into question whether the metal box of fans is photo-shopped or something. What does add credibility is whether the device is turned on and benchmarked independently and called a "functional product" that works "as expected". Sure BFL has had lots of photos. I didn't much care where the photos originated from. As the issue was the lack of functional ASICs. I thought that was the logical point of discussion as to whom is further than BFL in that race. Suddenly Inaba jump out in a tangent saying (paraphrased) "Oh! But our cases have been photographed by third parties! Not all our photos are from us." Uh, alright, and I would care who took the photograph of a box of fans.....because? (Doesn't that point seem strangely illogical to bring up or was that a ball of smoke? |
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Here are a few pictures and a video supplied by me - just an attendee of CES and in no way affiliated with BFL - of the "boxes with fans" we're all so fond of. I'm not even going to try to argue any of the other points, just to point out that the idea that the only time anyone has seen cases, boards, heatsinks etc - the stuff that BFL has released shots of so far - are in BFL-released pictures is patently ridiculous. Julian (TuxAvant) even talked BFL into letting him keep the empty cases for the Jalapeno and Single SC so if you happen to be near Vegas you can come physically lay hands on them if you'd like. What is you actual point? That people were exposed to the [incomplete] products at CES? (that is kinda obvious) Why is that enlightening exactly? More to the point, why should anyone care? BFL has people photograph it at CES. Alright...yippee? What does that prove exactly? There are no ASICs inside so they took a chunk of metal and PCB home with them. That is nice I guess....? Tell me if I missed the important point somewhere? ------------------------- I am not denying (unlike other retards) that BFL has hardware. It just isn't a functional ASIC up to this date. End of Story. Why I should be impressed that the FIRST pictures not released by BFL came out of CES 2013 is a mystery to me. What exactly does that prove?? Or did I miss the shock and awe of the point being made Josh? |
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Look I whited out the useless crap...because you can argue points of fact. But how do you argue with endless insults? You can't, therefore it is boring. There is nothing of substance to chew on in an insult filled post. Baloney. All pictures even those used by Bitcoin magazine were provided by BFL. Oh, so the picture you are so fond of trotting out with me in the back ground at CES was supplied by BFL? Good to know. Idiot.You showed blown chips. Chips that didn't work as intended.
You seem to miss the obvious points. Your point being? Has Avalon shown working chips? What's that? They haven't? Guess you're full of shit.That is your artistic interpretation. I reject your interpretation. That's fine, you're good at rejecting facts. God forbid reality get in the way of your delusions.Until:
---Jeff receives his unit. Then reviews it
---Avalon miners receive theirs.
---Avalon customers post copious photos and videos online. Much to BFL's detriment.
At that point you just "magically" turn into an irate Rep with a bad attitude and load of chips and a history of ASICs that never quite worked right over something....like 120 days..
I feel sorry for you.
Love your waffling. "UNTIL!" OMG!! Yes, until indeed. So far, nothing, nada... not even a tracking number, which you think someone would have after spending $400 to ship 1 unit. What's even funnier is by the time all the Avalon first batch customers receive their units, it looks like BFL's units will already be in our customers hands. Yeah, Avalon's fake "shipping" on the 21st is working out well. A week later and nothing has shown up anywhere, not even a tracking number. You seem to be emotionally invested in this argument. I know that was a sensitive spot in your armor and reputation.  Yes, you do seem emotionally invested in it. You are defending a company that has: A) Designed an exceptionally inferior product B) Purchased said product C) No one has received said product D) No one has received a tracking number E) No one has received the product for review, even a test unit Basically, you have paid for the same service you are bitching about BFL for, but you've paid for an inferior product. Yeah, and I'm emotionally invested. I believe the joke may be on you when you realize why it is so big.  <chuckled a bit there> By the way, 4U refers to height in a Server Rack. Oh, I wait with bated breath to learn why it's so big. Oh wait, we already know... they use 110nm process and require a ton of chips and power, and all the associated cooling that goes with it. There's likely more than one board in that chassis. What is your point you are trying to make (besides the one on the top of your head) with regards to 4U? Are you seriously trying to deny the fact that the Avalon unit is 4U high? Seriously? Look at the PSU... a PSU on it's side is, wait for it... almost 4U high. Add in the height of the top and bottom panels and you have, you guessed it, a 4U high monstrosity. Duh. Idiot. He didn't seemingly understand what my comment meant. Not really much to say in light of his (pretty obvious) misunderstanding. I also can;t clue him in on anything so that part of the argument needs to be kept quiet until reviews leak out. He is a bit slow on the uptake. That is why you take moment of your life to answer my messages.
What if you just didn't...I wonder what would happen? Nothing would happen. You would be forgotten, because you provide zero value to this world, much less Bitcointalk. Your sole existence appears is focused around responding to messages on Bitcointalk, for which you do not get paid and have no vested interest in. You have an unnatural, unhealthy fixation on me and the company I work for. You can't resist responding to the majority of the posts I make and you continually manufacture false information and lies to somehow figure a way to insert yourself into the conversation. It makes no matter that your lies are transparent, easily disproved or otherwise blatantly and obviously false. You don't care, you just want the attention and to feel special for being part of the conversation. Like I said in the past, I get paid to be here.. it's my job, what is your excuse?I wonder what would happen indeed? It is a bit of a surprise, my angry friend. You keep saying this. I don't think you understand what anger is. Take a moment of self reflection and you might understand it better... or maybe that's just self loathing you feel. Either way, it makes no matter. You're here, flinging about bullshit and lies. I'm here, destroying your bullshit repeatedly. I get paid to do it, you are doing it because you are too stupid to realize nearly everything you write is ridiculous.I suppose he thinks he is calm and collected? Or perhaps he is just using page turning techniques? |
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Take a look: (I whited it out when it was useless crap) This is a troll thread (so I'm livin' it up) and there's nothing to win.. you post bullshit constantly. You have a pathological inability to post facts without inserting your false information. Stop posting bullshit and we won't have anything to talk about. Unfortunately, I doubt you can resist posting lies and crap.
Did I touch a nerve, poor little guy? You must live such a sad life, I'd say I feel pit for you, but I don't. You're nothing but trash and your fate in life is of your own making.
I find it curious that you keep wanting so desperately for me to be "angry." Is it because you are angry and you can't bear the thought of me not also being angry? Do you bang out reply after reply, trying so desperately to be a part of something? Is that why you're angry and want to project that on to everyone else? I mean, look at you. Posting the same pictures over and over in a desperate attempt to legitimize your laughingly penned missives towards me. Too bad no one is buying it and you continue your sad little existence, trying in vain to be someone.
See nothing of substance. Let me do the post before that next. |
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Strangely enough, when I don't even see him try anymore it just doesn't move me to bother. When you start to realize that someone must really believe their own bullshit or is desperate enough to cover for what they know is their own bullshit...thats kinda sad. Here I am wasting my time posting pictures to support all these petty arguments...and all he retorts with is utter baseless crap. If I actually took time to delete all the crap out of his post, you would notice how little substance he actually responds with. What "fun" or sustained interest can one have in that? He doesn't even try anymore. He used to try...but now he just seemingly always goes down the road of calling people name in the hopes that it'll somehow be true. I am wasting my time. If there was something of entertainment value then I would justify the effort...but even I am not feeling justified anymore. Inaba is damn boring now. It is like beating a dead horse. |
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Josh are you an elementary school kid?
Seriously, you aren't even trying to "win" this argument. I feel incredible pity.
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