http://biblehub.com/1_john/2-2.htmso to recap, if Jesus paid for the sin of the whole mankind. and that Christianity is the only true religion.. i would love to put a bullet in your brain  Jesus is God along with His Father and the Holy spirit. Each one of them is 100% God, and yet they are 100% God together, not 3 Gods. Notice the word "God." That's why we can't understand it. If we were talking about 3 cats, then we would have to say that there are 3 cats. But God is different. He is beyond man's understanding. |
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http://biblehub.com/1_john/2-2.htmso to recap, if Jesus paid for the sin of the whole mankind. and that Christianity is the only true religion.. i would love to put a bullet in your brain Sometimes people get shot in the head and live. So, please, if you do it, make sure I don't live, so I can be with Jesus. |
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The fact that mathematical probability shows that a built-up universe such as ours is impossible, We're here aren't we? Ergo, not impossible. Why should I even post this? That is exactly what I said, and it is in my post, which part you didn't quote above. In fact, the fact that we are here is the ONLY logic that we have for the possibility that we can exist. Except for our existence, it is impossible that we or the universe does exist according to any knowledge or understanding that we have. Someday we might gain enough knowledge that we will be able to say truthfully that we understand how we are possible. But we aren't there yet by a long shot. This makes the idea of the existence of God more probable... God Who is way more "advanced" than we... God Who made us and all things with understanding and knowledge that we don't have. How does He have knowledge that we don't? It is in the definition of the word "God." Even then, that's wrong. There's no sure way to prove out own existence, the mind is not metaphysical, it is "the body". The brain is the mind, simply put so using the mind as a method to prove your existence is faulty, with use of the senses being completely out of the question(You can answer/think for yourself as to why using one's senses to make claim of their own existence is illogical, schizophrenia, etc etc. We can use reasoning to give support to the notion that we may exist, but we can never declare it a certainty. The idea of God to explain the unknown is an idea of the ignorant as history has shown. When people don't know something, they say god did it until proven otherwise. It's a very stupid argument to make. Why is this that you have said foolish? Because at this stage in the knowledge of mankind, absolutely nobody knows how to make people last alive much more than 100 years. The healthiest of people live not long over 100 years. And the best, most qualified of doctors and scientists don't know how to cause anybody to live even to the young age of 200 or 300 years. What does this have to do with the brain being the mind and the other things you said above? Here's what. Like as we don't know enough to keep people alive a mere, piddly, 200 years, because we are so ignorant of how things work, in the same way we are even more ignorant of the operations of brain, mind and consciousness. Nobody knows that the "brain is the mind" for sure. Nobody knows that there absolutely isn't any other mind operation besides that done by the brain. Some scientific investigations themselves are starting to show that there are mind/consciousness operations done outside the brain. At its core, the scientific method itself may not be something that operates according to the scientific method as it describes itself. This is shown by the fact that we don't know much about mind/consciousness at all. Because of this, the proof for the existence of God at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 is completely accurate. Further, just because we have a hard time recognizing God, and an even harder time determining much of anything about Him, doesn't mean that He doesn't see us. For example, when we place an ant colony in between two panes of glass so that we can observe them at work, they don't see us (if they do, they don't understand what they are seeing), but we see them. We watch them do their daily thing. Why would anyone think that God doesn't watch us, that He isn't aware of our every activity, even in far more detail (maybe, complete detail) than we are ourselves? You are not thinking clearly. But if you are, then you are deliberately trying to confuse the issue. Why not start your own thread that talks about these issues rather than spam this thread with all your off-topic stuff? So if no one knos anything of that for sure how can you be so sure about all the things you have been posting so far? You keep posting your fallacy link wich was proven to be full of shit and even religious people dont accept it. Why would anyone think god is watching us? How do you know the ants dont know what they are looking at? You said it yourself, we dont know a lot of things. Do I have to tell you everything? When are you going to be able to think a little on your own? When are you going to be able to read? Read the first quoted post at the top of this post. According to our incomplete knowledge of the universe as we have it right now, the universe is impossible to exist... especially through something as simple as modern scientific method. We simply don't have any way for proving out all but a relatively few simple things. The universe is far more complex than we understand. Except for the fact that the universe exists, there is no proof that it exists or can exist. The little bit of boldness that I have in suggesting things as fact, is simply designed to fit inside of the things that others understand as fact so that we can have conversation. How do you even know that you can ask a question, except that you do it? Because of how limited we are, and because we can measure some relatively small part of this universe, but not enough to prove it can exist, there must be a Guy we call God Who knows about it all. How do you manage to ignore the self-evident knowledge that the Universe exists (hint: look, and voila!) and then say our incomplete understanding, the Universe is impossible? 1) Open your eyes. See Universe. Universe exists. 2) If our knowledge is incomplete, you can't conclude "impossibility." 3) Based on the (incomplete) knowledge we do have, the Universe checks out just fine. Our theories/models need to match reality, not the other way around (in your case, you try to cram reality to fit your retarded ideas). 4) Yes, the Scientific Method is simple. So, why don't you understand it? 5) In your previous post, you essentially said the Scientific Method is not the Scientific Method. Slap yourself. 1. All right! Finally we agree on something besides the fact that God exists. 2. Okay, make one. What? You can't? Must be impossible. 3. Now you're calling me a scientist. 4. If I don't, it's because I'm not interested in something else that is flawed. 5. That's right-ish. This is because the scientific method rarely examines the possibility that it is wrong. But don't slap yourself except if you really want to, 'cause you might knock your glasses off.  |
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if that is your question.
they are not related to islam in whatsoever way
a religion of peace does not teach killings and the word hatred, kill or violence as a word itself is not found in the Quraan..
you cannot blame a religion for the act of his followers. likewise i cannot blame atheist, christianity, hinduism or other religions because their diciples are doing things wrong.
its not the teachings of the Quraan they act upon but have been brainwashed by political behemoth players to act upon in that way.
That is more a denial than an answer to the question. Because the violent Muslims do not share your views. The world does not share your views. Radical Imams do not share your views. So then let us call it "False Islam", and explain to me exactly what verses are misunderstood, misinterpreted or lied about to get to the "False Islam", starting with the Koran and the Haddiths. you are ridiculous to an extent i cannot explain... I am able to show how various sects have mis interpreted Christianity. I do not know why it would be ridiculous to ask how this has been done with Islam. Certainly all religions do a poor and incorrect job of interpreting their religion. The reason is that the religions are essentially way more detailed and complex than the people that make them up can hold in their mind at one time. People grab pieces of their religion, a little here, and a little there. The things they grab go into their subconscious mind, and they live out their religion in ways that are not perfect. The important point about the Christian religion is, God is using it to save Christians. Christians are not saved by their correct understanding of the Christian religion. They are not saved by their correct belief about God and the salvation Jesus did on the cross. Christians are saved by God in His form as the Holy Spirit using the words of the book, the Bible, to work in the people something that they can't do on their own. So, it doesn't matter that they have misinterpretations, as long as they get the words of the Book into themselves, and attempt to believe it. The Holy Spirit works the rest. Unfortunately for Muslims, they have no such Holy Spirit to work the correct understanding of their book in their hearts. |
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The fact that mathematical probability shows that a built-up universe such as ours is impossible, We're here aren't we? Ergo, not impossible. Why should I even post this? That is exactly what I said, and it is in my post, which part you didn't quote above. In fact, the fact that we are here is the ONLY logic that we have for the possibility that we can exist. Except for our existence, it is impossible that we or the universe does exist according to any knowledge or understanding that we have. Someday we might gain enough knowledge that we will be able to say truthfully that we understand how we are possible. But we aren't there yet by a long shot. This makes the idea of the existence of God more probable... God Who is way more "advanced" than we... God Who made us and all things with understanding and knowledge that we don't have. How does He have knowledge that we don't? It is in the definition of the word "God." Even then, that's wrong. There's no sure way to prove out own existence, the mind is not metaphysical, it is "the body". The brain is the mind, simply put so using the mind as a method to prove your existence is faulty, with use of the senses being completely out of the question(You can answer/think for yourself as to why using one's senses to make claim of their own existence is illogical, schizophrenia, etc etc. We can use reasoning to give support to the notion that we may exist, but we can never declare it a certainty. The idea of God to explain the unknown is an idea of the ignorant as history has shown. When people don't know something, they say god did it until proven otherwise. It's a very stupid argument to make. Why is this that you have said foolish? Because at this stage in the knowledge of mankind, absolutely nobody knows how to make people last alive much more than 100 years. The healthiest of people live not long over 100 years. And the best, most qualified of doctors and scientists don't know how to cause anybody to live even to the young age of 200 or 300 years. What does this have to do with the brain being the mind and the other things you said above? Here's what. Like as we don't know enough to keep people alive a mere, piddly, 200 years, because we are so ignorant of how things work, in the same way we are even more ignorant of the operations of brain, mind and consciousness. Nobody knows that the "brain is the mind" for sure. Nobody knows that there absolutely isn't any other mind operation besides that done by the brain. Some scientific investigations themselves are starting to show that there are mind/consciousness operations done outside the brain. At its core, the scientific method itself may not be something that operates according to the scientific method as it describes itself. This is shown by the fact that we don't know much about mind/consciousness at all. Because of this, the proof for the existence of God at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 is completely accurate. Further, just because we have a hard time recognizing God, and an even harder time determining much of anything about Him, doesn't mean that He doesn't see us. For example, when we place an ant colony in between two panes of glass so that we can observe them at work, they don't see us (if they do, they don't understand what they are seeing), but we see them. We watch them do their daily thing. Why would anyone think that God doesn't watch us, that He isn't aware of our every activity, even in far more detail (maybe, complete detail) than we are ourselves? You are not thinking clearly. But if you are, then you are deliberately trying to confuse the issue. Why not start your own thread that talks about these issues rather than spam this thread with all your off-topic stuff? So if no one knos anything of that for sure how can you be so sure about all the things you have been posting so far? You keep posting your fallacy link wich was proven to be full of shit and even religious people dont accept it. Why would anyone think god is watching us? How do you know the ants dont know what they are looking at? You said it yourself, we dont know a lot of things. Do I have to tell you everything? When are you going to be able to think a little on your own? When are you going to be able to read? Read the first quoted post at the top of this post. According to our incomplete knowledge of the universe as we have it right now, the universe is impossible to exist... especially through something as simple as modern scientific method. We simply don't have any way for proving out all but a relatively few simple things. The universe is far more complex than we understand. Except for the fact that the universe exists, there is no proof that it exists or can exist. The little bit of boldness that I have in suggesting things as fact, is simply designed to fit inside of the things that others understand as fact so that we can have conversation. How do you even know that you can ask a question, except that you do it? Because of how limited we are, and because we can measure some relatively small part of this universe, but not enough to prove it can exist, there must be a Guy we call God Who knows about it all. |
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Most people want more. The wealthy certainly want more. If they didn't, they probably wouldn't be wealthy in the first place. The middle-class want more. Even many of the poor want more, though they don't have a clue about how to get it. In the free world, there is more fighting among the elite of government than there is competition among businesses. Because of the freedom in the free world, there is free thinking among even the military... even individual soldiers. Collapse of the public starts at the top with fighting among the elite of every operation in the world. Sure there is agreement for awhile. Sometimes the agreement works for decades. Then envy among the elite is the thing that takes their empire down from the inside. Look at the great empires of the past. Most of them fell because of fighting within, among the elite. If Hitler had succeeded, Germany might have ruled the world throughout the days of Hitler, but it, too, would have fallen because of fighting among those of power inside their government. There is way more behind the scenes to the things that you are saying. The one thing that I clearly agree with you is, there is trouble coming. But isn't this the way that it has always been? Everybody dies, like it or not. The elite government is collapsing just as fast as they are building it. It is a shell of strength, that can be cracked as easily as an egg. Much of the cracking comes from within, just like a new chick pecking its way out of its incubator-egg. |
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The fact that mathematical probability shows that a built-up universe such as ours is impossible, We're here aren't we? Ergo, not impossible. Why should I even post this? That is exactly what I said, and it is in my post, which part you didn't quote above. In fact, the fact that we are here is the ONLY logic that we have for the possibility that we can exist. Except for our existence, it is impossible that we or the universe does exist according to any knowledge or understanding that we have. Someday we might gain enough knowledge that we will be able to say truthfully that we understand how we are possible. But we aren't there yet by a long shot. This makes the idea of the existence of God more probable... God Who is way more "advanced" than we... God Who made us and all things with understanding and knowledge that we don't have. How does He have knowledge that we don't? It is in the definition of the word "God." Even then, that's wrong. There's no sure way to prove out own existence, the mind is not metaphysical, it is "the body". The brain is the mind, simply put so using the mind as a method to prove your existence is faulty, with use of the senses being completely out of the question(You can answer/think for yourself as to why using one's senses to make claim of their own existence is illogical, schizophrenia, etc etc. We can use reasoning to give support to the notion that we may exist, but we can never declare it a certainty. The idea of God to explain the unknown is an idea of the ignorant as history has shown. When people don't know something, they say god did it until proven otherwise. It's a very stupid argument to make. Why is this that you have said foolish? Because at this stage in the knowledge of mankind, absolutely nobody knows how to make people last alive much more than 100 years. The healthiest of people live not long over 100 years. And the best, most qualified of doctors and scientists don't know how to cause anybody to live even to the young age of 200 or 300 years. What does this have to do with the brain being the mind and the other things you said above? Here's what. Like as we don't know enough to keep people alive a mere, piddly, 200 years, because we are so ignorant of how things work, in the same way we are even more ignorant of the operations of brain, mind and consciousness. Nobody knows that the "brain is the mind" for sure. Nobody knows that there absolutely isn't any other mind operation besides that done by the brain. Some scientific investigations themselves are starting to show that there are mind/consciousness operations done outside the brain. At its core, the scientific method itself may not be something that operates according to the scientific method as it describes itself. This is shown by the fact that we don't know much about mind/consciousness at all. Because of this, the proof for the existence of God at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 is completely accurate. Further, just because we have a hard time recognizing God, and an even harder time determining much of anything about Him, doesn't mean that He doesn't see us. For example, when we place an ant colony in between two panes of glass so that we can observe them at work, they don't see us (if they do, they don't understand what they are seeing), but we see them. We watch them do their daily thing. Why would anyone think that God doesn't watch us, that He isn't aware of our every activity, even in far more detail (maybe, complete detail) than we are ourselves? You are not thinking clearly. But if you are, then you are deliberately trying to confuse the issue. Why not start your own thread that talks about these issues rather than spam this thread with all your off-topic stuff? |
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The fact that mathematical probability shows that a built-up universe such as ours is impossible, We're here aren't we? Ergo, not impossible. Why should I even post this? That is exactly what I said, and it is in my post, which part you didn't quote above. In fact, the fact that we are here is the ONLY logic that we have for the possibility that we can exist. Except for our existence, it is impossible that we or the universe does exist according to any knowledge or understanding that we have. Someday we might gain enough knowledge that we will be able to say truthfully that we understand how we are possible. But we aren't there yet by a long shot. This makes the idea of the existence of God more probable... God Who is way more "advanced" than we... God Who made us and all things with understanding and knowledge that we don't have. How does He have knowledge that we don't? It is in the definition of the word "God." |
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The fact that God created the universe, along with the fact of conservation of energy, proves that God is a conservative. |
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I guess only when the discussion in the thread "Proof that God exists" gets completed, should we start debating about whether god is conservative or not. That thread is still going strong.  I blame Vod for that thread still going. When will this madness end? Ugh. I've tried to convince others to end that thread. BadDecker has been brainwashed since birth. There is no way logic and proof will change his mind! Of course logic and proof has changed my mind. It has helped me become a much stronger believer in God than I had ever been before. |
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No, there is no exception. If a belief is based upon external evidence, then it is not self-evident.
Example: It is self-evident that a bible is evidence of a bible. It is not self-evident that a bible is evidence that God exists.
Example 2: It is self-evident that complexity is complex. It is not self-evident that complexity means something created it.
Simply that I acknowledge that you believe something, doesn't necessarily mean I am acknowledging what you believe. Well that's the standard definition. Why not just admit your wrong and save yourself from further embarrassment? When I am right, as I am, there is no embarrassment. When you have been laughed at as long as you have been, you can't feel the embarrassment, can you? |
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That link is simply evidence of you employing logical fallacies and intellectual dishonesty repeatedly. I accept the idea that you have brainwashed yourself into thinking what ever you think about the info in the link. Anybody who can think, who reads through it can see the strong evidence showing that God exists. It is common knowledge brought out into the open. That's all. So far seems like everybody knows those are fallacies and the only brainwashed person here is you. Im sorry to tell you but you are brainwashed. Actually, it's a small group of atheists who don't know that God exists. Well, they are welcome to their religion. Nope, im talking about here in the forum, everyone and i mean literally everyone who has read your ''proof'' said its stupid, even religious people xD... I would believe that they are few. How many forum members are there? Even if there were thousands, they are few compared with people who believe that God exists, and would understand how He can be proven by the things that I have said at the link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 if they took the time to think them through. These are not the only points that prove God. One of the very strong points in addition to these that I have not mentioned often is the point of mathematical probability. The fact that mathematical probability shows that a built-up universe such as ours is impossible, especially in the light of the existence of life on earth and all the things associated with life, reveals that God MUST exist, Whatever or Whomever He might be. When you throw in the the standard entropy we see all around us, along with the fact that try as they might, scientists are not able to start life up from inanimate materials, Whatever God is, He is Supremely Great. |
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This has become a Maidsafe thread now?  You are criticizing me for not providing solutions in this thread, which wasn't the point of this thread. Then you advertize MaidSafe from your signature line as a solution. If you want to talk about solutions, then be prepared to be shown your technological errors. Are you saying I was criticizing when I was only asking? If there are technological errors in Maidsafe, then it is their problem. |
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No, there is no exception. If a belief is based upon external evidence, then it is not self-evident.
Example: It is self-evident that a bible is evidence of a bible. It is not self-evident that a bible is evidence that God exists.
Example 2: It is self-evident that complexity is complex. It is not self-evident that complexity means something created it.
Simply that I acknowledge that you believe something, doesn't necessarily mean I am acknowledging what you believe. |
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Funny because we already explained you all the fallacies you are saying yet you still dont want to acknowledge it.
I don't acknowledge that God doesn't exist, because the evidence that shows that He exists is so overwhelming, and way beyond the evidence that suggests that He doesn't, that it would be foolish to even think that He might not exist. Not really. What would be foolish is listening to some clown claiming proof for something that is impossible to prove using science. That just goes to show you how backward science is. Most people can't even see how science proves God when it stares them right in the face, and some even if it were to jump up and bite them in the left eye.  |
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That link is simply evidence of you employing logical fallacies and intellectual dishonesty repeatedly. I accept the idea that you have brainwashed yourself into thinking what ever you think about the info in the link. Anybody who can think, who reads through it can see the strong evidence showing that God exists. It is common knowledge brought out into the open. That's all. So far seems like everybody knows those are fallacies and the only brainwashed person here is you. Im sorry to tell you but you are brainwashed. Actually, it's a small group of atheists who don't know that God exists. Well, they are welcome to their religion. |
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That link is simply evidence of you employing logical fallacies and intellectual dishonesty repeatedly. I accept the idea that you have brainwashed yourself into thinking what ever you think about the info in the link. Anybody who can think, who reads through it can see the strong evidence showing that God exists. It is common knowledge brought out into the open. That's all. |
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BADecker Maidsafe is total bullshit. I explained the technical reasons in my past posts. I am not going to go dig up my old posts. It was one of my prior usernames.
Ah I will be telling and providing you the solutions, but you won't know it is me (or at least you won't be able to prove it is me). Can't you imagine why it must be that way? Duh.
The personality or identity of the person isn't important. Satoshi proved that. It is the solutions they bring that matter.
Unfortunately most all of you are incapable of analyzing the technical aspects, e.g. you think MaidSafe is a solution because you are incapable of analyzing the flaws that render it entirely useless (for the applications you are imagining). MaidSafe can work only for private storage of individual files with infrequent access (because its monetization unit is storage space not bandwidth) and not for anonymization of websites nor the public internet-at-large. And its anonymization claims are technical nonsense. It can make files unrecoverable by those who don't have the private key, but can't successfully make the user anonymous from the NSA.
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I am here to just say one thing? Why do YOU hate people? and you should really give a valid reason not a shitty one that says 'Because Jews, Because Christians, Because Atheists'
and Yes, I am a people's person for those who ask, just tell me, come out of your shell and say why you HATE people like myself, and I could be here to clarify things to you, or not...
Also here is something that most muslims mistake about people's person like me is that "Christianity or Buddhism hate other religions" for this I say, Christianity or Buddhism does not hate ANY religion, but they suggest to 'invite' them to Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism, as slowly, and peacefully, even if they refuse, you can try and try, until it's their choice, you stop. and for all the wars that happened, it's because this other religion decided to come into war on Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism.
If you need anything clarified, I may not be here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink In other news -> If you are not here and won't be offended, it'll likely be because you have been killed by some Muslim group simply for starting this thread. |
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I am a Muslim, The day I get convinced of a scientific proof that god exists is the day I become an atheist. The leap of faith is why god "in ibrahimic religions based belief systems" promised so much. People seeking "scientific proof" that god exists are just as stupid as the ones giving out proofs that god does not exist. In my humble opinion.
Would you believe that God exists if there weren't any religions, and no religious writings, and no knowledge of the heavens and the earth, and no religious people? Maybe, but probably not. All faith exists because of some evidence of some kind. Pure blind faith in something is simply foolish, and really doesn't happen. Even atheists suggest that there is no God because they think that there is evidence in that direction. Because they can't come close to proving that there is no God, and because there are loads of things that show that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 - atheists are involved in a religion, and most of them don't even realize it. |
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