Translation: the muslim book is not any better than the Christian book or the Jewish book. If this is what you believe then why waste your time defending one belief against another if they are all the same? Unless you believe one religion is superior to another, making some humans superior to other humans, thanks to a book.  Your one of those people who doesn't answer a single question posed to you, while demanding answers to your own. You misread something I said and you just kept going with it like a dumb-ass. Islam started after Christianity and Judaism, so naturally it "springs" from that. Muslims believe their texts improve on what came before. Same as Christians believe about their texts. Us non-believers can look at it as an off-shoot, which naturally will include and try to improve upon what came before (talking about both Christianity and Islam here). Back to the questions you're dodging: - Wouldn't it be more fruitful to study with an open mind, learn a thing or two about the facts and truth of the matters you insist on discussing, and THEN opine about it? (no joke, you thought women weren't allowed to drive in Iran for example! LOL Could you even find these places you talk about on a globe? Why talk about things you haven't bothered to learn about first? It makes you look very stupid and totally biased) - Seriously - why don't you people have a sense of shame or embarrassment for being so terribly wrong about basic facts? (real question! Without shame or humility, what's preventing you from being full of shit next time around?) - Remember the USS Liberty? (That one's for the moron who was praising Bibi's speach and doesn't realize what a traitor to the United States they are by doing so!) - How many people do you think Muslims killed compared over the past however many years you want to look at? How many people do you think Christians have killed? - If your in denial that the most prolific killer of all, the USA, is a de facto Christian nation - please answer: is the "God" that's referenced on your money, 68 times in US Code, and various other places in your government - is that Shiva, or Vishnu, or are you ready to admit it's the Christian God? I know it's easier to run away from facts, but y'all should come up with some passable answers to these questions if you want to look less like typical low IQ racists who don't know anything about the world beyond their little home in the sticks somewhere. You take everything at face value. Why don't you look at reality? Not everyone who says, "such and such is my religion," is telling the truth. Many are liars. Some are ignorant liars, and others are using it as a social ploy, to gain leverage over other people. When you find the people who obey their religion, that is when you find the people of that religion. True Christians believe in loving their enemy, and in Jesus for salvation. True Muslims believe in Jihad. The rest are liars, even if they don't know it. You need to actually deal with things said in a conversation for it to be one. It's ridiculous to ignore a half dozen questions then pose your own. You are really uninformed about the things you insist on discussing, is this why you need to evade? I understand why you might say this. I mean... what else could you say, Right? |
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Nice guess. Yet the traditions of the Jews who became Christians say that the crucifixion DID happen.
Not guess, it is the truth. See debate between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Ruknuddin Pio -> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5V-MVf0xIzQ. Search in YouTube about crucifixion and add 'Zakir Naik' in the search to get better answers. According to the New Testament, the Romans who crucified Jesus said that he was dead. What better evidence can one find than Roman soldiers, who were used to life and death in their day to day business? |
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Although Jesus is never quoted as saying, "I am God," He said many things that show that He is God. Also, others, including St. Paul say that Jesus is God. |
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I had always understood that Quran was written starting around 600 AD. Revelation was written around 90 AD. That doesn't mean "following". Already said about it. 600 AD follows 90 AD by more than 500 years. |
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Translation: the muslim book is not any better than the Christian book or the Jewish book. If this is what you believe then why waste your time defending one belief against another if they are all the same? Unless you believe one religion is superior to another, making some humans superior to other humans, thanks to a book. Your one of those people who doesn't answer a single question posed to you, while demanding answers to your own. You misread something I said and you just kept going with it like a dumb-ass. Islam started after Christianity and Judaism, so naturally it "springs" from that. Muslims believe their texts improve on what came before. Same as Christians believe about their texts. Us non-believers can look at it as an off-shoot, which naturally will include and try to improve upon what came before (talking about both Christianity and Islam here). Back to the questions you're dodging: - Wouldn't it be more fruitful to study with an open mind, learn a thing or two about the facts and truth of the matters you insist on discussing, and THEN opine about it? (no joke, you thought women weren't allowed to drive in Iran for example! LOL Could you even find these places you talk about on a globe? Why talk about things you haven't bothered to learn about first? It makes you look very stupid and totally biased) - Seriously - why don't you people have a sense of shame or embarrassment for being so terribly wrong about basic facts? (real question! Without shame or humility, what's preventing you from being full of shit next time around?) - Remember the USS Liberty? (That one's for the moron who was praising Bibi's speach and doesn't realize what a traitor to the United States they are by doing so!) - How many people do you think Muslims killed compared over the past however many years you want to look at? How many people do you think Christians have killed? - If your in denial that the most prolific killer of all, the USA, is a de facto Christian nation - please answer: is the "God" that's referenced on your money, 68 times in US Code, and various other places in your government - is that Shiva, or Vishnu, or are you ready to admit it's the Christian God? I know it's easier to run away from facts, but y'all should come up with some passable answers to these questions if you want to look less like typical low IQ racists who don't know anything about the world beyond their little home in the sticks somewhere. You take everything at face value. Why don't you look at reality? Not everyone who says, "such and such is my religion," is telling the truth. Many are liars. Some are ignorant liars, and others are using it as a social ploy, to gain leverage over other people. When you find the people who obey their religion, that is when you find the people of that religion. True Christians believe in loving their enemy, and in Jesus for salvation. True Muslims believe in Jihad. The rest are liars, even if they don't know it. |
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The writings of the Revelation in the Bible cover everything from the ascension of Jesus up to and beyond the destruction of this universe, and the entry into the new universe. Right at the end of Revelation there is a warning: I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. This means that all the writings of every other religion that follow the writings of the Revelation are false. Islam is a false religion. Mormonism is a false religion. Buddhism is a false religion. But Qur'an didn't follow Bible. You may want read Qur'an to know more assuming you already read Bible. I had always understood that Quran was written starting around 600 AD. Revelation was written around 90 AD. |
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I do often joke but not in the above. Above, I simply extend your logical assertion. This one:
Because Qur'an isn't manipulated by "humans" but Bible is. As it is manipulated, you can see errors in Bible but you can't see errors in Qur'an.
The most recent major alleged Judeo Christian prophet is not Mohammed, but Joseph Smith. There is no question about "manipulation" by humans because Smith's writing went direct from his hand to the printing press.
Therefore, Smith's writing must be pure and perfect.
Sorry if you didn't made a joke. The last prophet is Muhammed. Also, he is a human and it won't fully be words of God and you may/can see errors in it. The writings of the Revelation in the Bible cover everything from the ascension of Jesus up to and beyond the destruction of this universe, and the entry into the new universe. Right at the end of Revelation there is a warning: I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. This means that all the writings of every other religion that follow the writings of the Revelation are false. Islam is a false religion. Mormonism is a false religion. Buddhism is a false religion. |
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Look at the title of the thread, "Why do islam hates people?" Does Islam hate people? Where in the Quran or Hadith does one find talk of love? I don't know, and I am asking the question. In the New Testament in the Bible, Jesus says in one place, "Love your enemies. Do good to them that hate you and spitefully use you and persecute you." Jesus isn't talking about only Christians, here. He is talking about people in general. The idea of love is promoted throughout the whole N.T. The people of the Islam, the Muslims, might promote love among their own. They might at times promote love among all people. When they do this, they show that certain aspects of love are written on their hearts. But where in Islam does it say to love, and especially to love all people? Why does Islam hate people? Why do Muslims promote the love found in the New Testament in the Bible? Islam has said not to compell anyone to become Muslim. Islam has told not to tease any other religion. Prophet said: "Whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.” (Saheeh Muslim) Prophet strictly warned against any maltreatment of people of other faiths. He said: “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Abu Dawud) In Quran: "Allah does not forbid you to be just and righteous towards those who did not go into battle against you (over matters of faith), and did not expel you from your homes. Deal with them justly. Allah loves those who are just.” (60:  “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and know eth all things.” (2:256) “Say: O you that reject faith! I do not worship that which you worship, nor will you worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which you have been wont to worship, nor will you worship that which I worship. To you be your Way (or religion) and to me mine.” (109:1-6) “O you who believe! Stand out firmly for God, as witness to fair dealings and do not let the hatred of a people lead you to treat them unjustly. Deal with them justly; it is closer to piety.” (5: “Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.” (4:90) When we study the life of Muhammad we realize that he did not torture prisoners, did not take hostages, did not order suicide attacks, did not attack civilians, and did not insult the religious symbols of other religions, with only one exception. The only exception was in the case of the conquest of Mecca. When Muhammad conquered Mecca in 630 CE without a drop of blood being shed, he went to the Kaba and destroyed all the idols that were placed there by idol-worshippers. This incident that was used by the ruling Taliban in Afghanistan to justify the destruction of three ancient Buddha statues had particular circumstances that can not be generalized. The Kaba was not originally built by the idol-worshippers but by Adam (p. b.u.h.) as the place dedicated to the worship of God. Rebuilt be Abraham (p. b.u.h.), the Kaba be associated with the worship of One God. It was at a much later time that idols were placed there and gradually the Kaba was transformed to be a centre for worshipping idols. So what Muhammad did was to return the Kaba to its original condition by removing the idols from it. Furthermore, the idols placed in Kaba were not relevant anymore since the overwhelming majority of Meccans had already rejected them by embracing Islam.
Well, thank you. This is better than saying to destroy people. It might be close to saying to love. But it still isn't saying to love. But is better than saying to destroy, though, like some of the other parts of the Quran and Hadith seem to say. |
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Don't hate Muslims. Pity them. Most of them don't have a clue about what their religious writings say. They would be shocked if they knew it all. Would that stop them from being Muslims? That's a good question. Somebody should teach them to read. |
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They aren't the same to be honest. Actually, Christianity will only exist if the crucifixion happened but it didn't happen, only *crucifiction* happened.
Nice guess. Yet the traditions of the Jews who became Christians say that the crucifixion DID happen. Another thing is specific religions came for the people at the time of that prophet. That is, real-christianity was for the people at the time of Jesus, Jewish religion was for the people at the time of Moses.
Actually, the last book of the Bible, the Revelation, was written by John, one of Jesus' own disciples. The Revelation covers everything from the time of Jesus' ascension into Heaven, up to the time that the present heavens and earth are destroyed, the New Heavens and New Earth are revealed, the believers in Jesus are raised to life with God in the New Heavens and Earth, and those who don't believe in Jesus God are sent to the lake of fire for everlasting punishment. |
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A human is superior than others if his action is superior than others.
In the writings of the Quran and Hadith, one becomes superior to another by attacking and overcoming him... including killing him if necessary. Does this make the Muslim superior? |
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Look at the title of the thread, "Why do islam hates people?" Does Islam hate people? Where in the Quran or Hadith does one find talk of love? I don't know, and I am asking the question. In the New Testament in the Bible, Jesus says in one place, "Love your enemies. Do good to them that hate you and spitefully use you and persecute you." Jesus isn't talking about only Christians, here. He is talking about people in general. The idea of love is promoted throughout the whole N.T. The people of the Islam, the Muslims, might promote love among their own. They might at times promote love among all people. When they do this, they show that certain aspects of love are written on their hearts. But where in Islam does it say to love, and especially to love all people? Why does Islam hate people? Why do Muslims promote the love found in the New Testament in the Bible? |
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Just watch out. Paypal screwed a whole lot of eGold users way back in the beginning of the 2000s. If you do any Bitcoin business, and Paypal finds out, withdraw all but a minimum of funds out of Paypal. They can't be trusted. If they could, they would return the funds to their old list of eGold users, whose accounts they simply cancelled... so sad, too bad. |
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Nothing. What makes the Christian book better than what the Jews read?
lol... noting that the Jewish book is the oldest, and the others being mere copycats, I don't think there is any merit in reading any of these books....  If you can think, you will get great knowledge if you read Qur'an. You may also get from Bible and other but unfortunately, you will see mirrors. Let's see. Seems to me that the reason that we are in trouble in the world is, Eve in the beginning of the world, want more knowledge and wisdom. Then she listened to the devil when he told her how she could get it. Now people die. The whole world is in a mess. And you are asking us to get some more knowledge from the devil by reading the Quran? You gotta be absolutely out of your mind. |
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This thread is hilarious. Nobody types as dry and boring as I do. Nobody. And to think I was accused of being BADecker. So that's your MO, eh? Type boring with one user account...  I use all my different aliases for different porpoises, but mostly just to keep myself company with truly stimulating discussions. Dicksperiment and all his aliases bore me to death. the joint - dry intellectual BADecker - religious nut Vod - ever vigilant forum vigilante (oYo) - wears the tin foil hat Gleb Gamow - shock and awe For general support and messing around, I use a plethora of others, which include bitmarket.io, XinXan and Sarthak. *Disclaimer: This post is total bullshit. I actually don't have any aliases.C'mon, oYo. You know Dicksperm'ent is a really nice guy. Why do you pick on him like that? |
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Well, he could come back one more time. This time he could PM all the people who like his stuff. He could get helpers who know how to code. He could start his own forum just like this one, except that it would be his. He could run it from several different jurisdictions and have multiple mirrors at different jurisdictions - just to protect himself from legal stuff from any sites that don't like him linking to them. Then he could advertise his new Russian pictures site here. |
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Dean Clifford got out of Canadian prison after 16 months. From his welcome-back video, Dean Clifford Update 20 Recorded March 21 2015, by Craig Lynch, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8JO_rwLE2U. From Dean: Apparently we are the government.
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The beginning is here, like we used to have that title page, "The Beginning is Near," on our website. Well, it's not near anymore. The beginning is here. It's now. It's done. It's going. There's groups all over the world that are catching on to this, and they're declaring their freedom. They're creatin' their own nations. People are becoming common law sheriffs - appointing themselves as sheriffs. You know, and, the powers that were are getting pissed off about this, and are trying to really crack down, because we're catch on to the scam that, well wait a minute, if you get your authority from me, and you have the authority to create sheriffs and police officers, then I have that same inherent authority already. I can just do it myself. I don't need you for a middleman anymore. I'll just execute my own will instead of having you guys create a fake one for me, and force that fake will back on me as my employees. So it's all nonsense. All of it is absolute nonsense. There is nothing to argue about in court. There is nothing to even speak to. There is no point in reading their puke. There is nothing. It's all a charade. Every last bit of it.
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Lol Oh, why thank you for going back into the "...stops some people from recognizing God" spiel.
As if I don't believe in God or something.
Was that post in response to me? There isn't a single mention about 'anything' i said in my post.
Can you please read what you're responding to before responding to it?
I agree. This is a good form of self-conditioning reinforcement. You agree with what? Again, who are you responding to? I didn't even claim anything, so what are you agreeing with? Is there someone standing behind me you keep talking to? Sorry you are having a bad day. Perhaps things will turn around for you later if they haven't already. |
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