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3741  Economy / Economics / Re: Just a friendly reminder.... on: March 31, 2019, 03:50:56 PM
...that your everyday money is toy money printed by bankers, for bankers.

Your entire professional existence revolves around getting paid in a little green token that bankers can print for themselves freely

I think you are greatly exaggerating things here as only a minor proportion of the world population gets paid in that little green token (just as friendly a reminder to put things in their true perspective). Indeed, that is not your point (let me guess), but forgetting this simple fact makes your whole claim somewhat dubious and suspicious (or even chauvinistic, to a degree). Sorry, but the world doesn't revolve around America, though everyone loves the American dollar

Other than us, of course, who love Bitcoin more than the dollar
3742  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency companies still can’t open bank accounts on: March 31, 2019, 03:41:52 PM
Not sure what you guys talking about , there is plenty of projects that have bank accounts associated with crypto , like Coinbase , crypto dot com ( Monaco ) , Belugapay all the exchanges with FIAT deposits and withdrawals . Maybe kickstarter projects struggling to make parterships with banks , but projects that are out there for 1-2 years , have bank accounts

It largely depends on specific jurisdiction

It kinda goes without saying that if the authorities consider crypto outright illegal (there are quite a few such countries), you wouldn't really expect a lot of crypto related companies and businesses to have bank accounts to support their cryptocurrency operations. Truth be told, you wouldn't even expect these companies to be open about their operations involving cryptocurrencies in the first place

The bottom line is that the devil is in paying precious attention to specific details as legality of crypto varies greatly among different jurisdictions across the world. And things get even more complicated and convoluted with businesses operating on a global scale
3743  Economy / Speculation / Re: What brings to crypto? on: March 31, 2019, 03:04:33 PM
What are the reasons number of investors get into crypto? Is it the secured system (blockchain) behind, or the value? I do feel my assets are much safer here with crypto secured system then banking. What really brings someone to crypto platform?

There is not a lot of new money in crypto these days

So your whole question becomes kinda meaningless if this assumption is correct (which seems to be the case). But if you in fact wanted to ask why people got into crypto earlier (like a few years ago), then the answer should be straightforward and it was easy money. Those who invested in early 2015, had patience to keep their coins till the end of 2017 and prudence to quit when the time came, multiplied their investments. That was the primary driver if we cut the crap and noise
3744  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will bitcoin remain above $4000 this time around? on: March 31, 2019, 01:44:35 PM
Since December last year that bitcoin fall below $4000 it has make several move of crossing above $4000 and it always get dumped after few days. I think a strong resistance has been created a little above $4000  and that is why we have not see a good recovery after this bear market.  As at this moment bitcoin is trading around $4,052 across most of the popular exchange and my question is will bitcoin get below $4000 again or it is on the part to break the resistance level that has been pushing it backward?

The support above 4000 is getting stronger. Recently, the price tried to break above 4100 and for a while, it succeeded. Slowly but surely, bitcoin's price is breaking the resistance. This may go on for a while but I think 4500 is max before it sinks again.

Good analysis there. I was also thinking the same. Bitcoin's price will gradually recover though it may experience a roller coaster ride, but most probably it'll head for a positive direction. And, yes $4.5k will be the next projected resistance level.

So many fakeouts lately, I don't trust any support/resistance anymore, at this point we need a huge bull/bear move to really know where the market is heading. In the past few months bitcoin has broken several daily resistances and all of them had no follow through, just fakeouts, it's a very messy environment right now.

Very good point, bro

Everyone should think about this before jumping to any conclusions about bottoming out (even though it looks and feels like we did), finding a strong support, breaking resistance, and similar things. Cryptocurrency market has always been unpredictable, and it is even more unpredictable now when there is no established trend and any news, either positive or negative, can cause a major price shift
3745  Economy / Economics / Re: Reason of Next Financial Crisis on: March 31, 2019, 09:41:46 AM
When you have a non stopable money printing machine like the federal reserve system all those money eventually create some type of bubble(stock,real estate,currency or even crypto).When the bubble bursts(this will happen sooner or later),we have a new crisis.
All financial crisis have one reason.It's called "US Federal Reserve System".
This, bubbles are inevitable and even in a system where the amount of money is limited we will see bubbles form from time to time but when you have basically the ability to print as much money as you want and you are abusing that power then bubbles will have a tendency to form even faster and to be even bigger as everyone is trying to find some way to avoid the effects of the ever increasing money supply and the damaging effects it has on your wealth.

Fractional reserve banking, and the belief the economy grows on credit instead of savings, the cycles of bubble and pops won't stop until people understand these concepts. Read Mises to find the answer. Austrian economics

Could you elaborate on why it is so?

More specifically, I refer to the part where you say that there is a belief that the economy grows on credit. Personally, I think there is some misunderstanding here. As far as I see it, the economy doesn't grow on credit but credit is still required for the economy to grow (this is not the same thing). if you come to disagree with this, I would like to hear your reason why you disagree (in your own words)
3746  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Keep proper distance but not losing passion on: March 31, 2019, 08:41:50 AM
Daytrading is essentially gambling the money is in long term holding

This is also a complicated question

Up to a point where such overgeneralizations become meaningless and utterly misleading. To put it differently, you can't possibly say that day trading is gambling while long-term holding is not as both can be gambling just as easily as they may not. Obviously, it all depends on the individual engaged in any of these. It should be clear that people can lose money irrespective of their investment horizons (short term versus long term) just as they can earn profits riding both short-term volatility and global trends
3747  Economy / Speculation / Re: Anyone else think "long term" hodlers are idiots? on: March 31, 2019, 07:37:19 AM
Trader who holding their coin for longterm is more than smart compared to the people who not hold their coin and choosed to sold their coin.
We cannot say that way, those who sell as long as they are in profit that time, they are still smart.
Our only purpose is to sell at a profit, so the timing could be different as we have different target when it comes to profit making

I think it's way more complicated

For example, if someone wins the lottery, is he smart or not? If you ask me, I think that winning the lottery only proves that you are lucky. But if you are then able not to waste the money and put it to work in a meaningful and purposeful way, you prove to be a smart guy indeed. In the earlier days, Bitcoin was very much like lottery, and many people were just lucky to turn up in the right place at the right time. Whether they were able to keep this wealth and not waste it is another question, though

Further, for many people it is not about selling at a profit (or at least not just about it). A lot of people now use Bitcoin for quite a few purposes which are completely unrelated to speculation (for example, the unbanked ones using it for remittances), and they may not care so much for the price of Bitcoin (read, you cannot even always tell if they are selling for a profit or loss when and if they have to sell). Are they smart or not in your system of values? To me, they are clearly outside it (though they may still be smart on their own)
3748  Economy / Speculation / Re: On whales and their impact on: March 31, 2019, 07:12:37 AM
Whales has a very great impact in the market because the market capitalization of the entire crypto market is still very small making it easy for anyone with huge amount of money to manipulate the price with just a click of a button, though this might not work in some coin like bitcoin because it has be listed in so many exchanges and it will take the whale investing huge amount of money in at least 50% of this exchanges to manipulate price

Personally, I wouldn't call that manipulation

As what you mean (i.e. anyone with deep pockets buying a lot of Bitcoin and thereby moving the price up) is a regular market activity. Technically, this is how we are expecting the market to resurrect in due time, with more institutional buyers entering the fray. Would that count as manipulation? I guess no, though I agree that the term and notion itself is a bit vague and requires a more clear definition
3749  Economy / Economics / Re: Reason of Next Financial Crisis on: March 30, 2019, 07:00:47 PM
In a collapse, don't forget to steal the investment bank's money! Wink

If we do enter a serious market fall, like 2008, remember that is time to start looking at stocks to buy. Those holding cash when the market bottoms out are in a position to buy up stocks and ride the growth when the economy recovers. This of course assumes the economy will experience future growth

This has always been the case in the past (though it may take time)

The alternative is a new world war, as simple as it gets. But then the stocks and their quotes will be your least concern. So any way you look at it, your only viable alternative is assume that everything will be back to normal after the dust finally settles. As an aside, you are basically repeating what Warren Buffett has been saying all these years, i.e. in the days of crisis you can buy valuable stock really cheap and then make a fortune when the sun shines again
3750  Local / Разное / Re: Как спрятать бабло в квартире при обыске on: March 30, 2019, 05:38:36 PM
Я бы обернул бы деньги в пакет , и засунул бы в канализационную трубу и там бы клеем приклеил бы , я думаю туда бы никто не полез)

И дальше что? Какать, писять куда будем? Smiley
Видимо на время обыска об этом придется забыть или к соседям.  Grin
Можно под наружный слив.

На время обыска? Как можно узнать это самое время? Или он сходил к эстрасексу, чтобы тот предсказал время, когда к нему нагрянут? Плюс, просто так в канашку ничего не засунуть, её сначала разобрать надобно, а потом собрать. Или он сделает окошко на замочке в трубе?

На самом деле идея использовать сантехнику не такая уж и плохая

И для этого вовсе необязательно совершать какие-то хитрые манипуляции по принципу дверцы в трубе канализации. У многих в отводах от стояка врезаны вентили, например, для подключения стиральной машины. Перекрыв вход, этот вентиль можно легко снять, а потом прикрутить назад, сделав в нем или в самом отводе нычку. Открыл кран - полились деньги ручьем. Про нычку в сифоне уже писал, но она слишком палевная
3751  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Which strategy you apply in recent bullish market? on: March 30, 2019, 05:25:57 PM
If you want to achieve profit in maximum amount , short term trading is the option.
TA usually will provide you some analysis that able be execute in haste.

Personally I try to keep hold at least 1 year to see the trend using simple MA 100&200

Only problem is that people are less likely to call shorts because during the bear market. It's a psychological thing. When a trader does short, they know that their potential is capped. When you doing long trade there is no upper boundary, therefore our brain always prefer to do long over short, even though trading either can be just as profitable, I feel this is part of the reason why traders find it hard to trade during bearish periods of time.

The majority of trading folk should stay away from naked shorts

And it is not because the profit potential is capped (though it is because of this too). Shorts (and their forced liquidation) is what brings exchanges easy money. It is not uncommon to see sudden spikes in this or that coin which come out of nowhere and which sole purpose is to wipe away margin positions

Myself, I had my massive short position wrongfully liquidated a few months ago at Bitfinex, so this thing is also possible (read, you should be extremely cautious and alert). Anyway, if you want to profit off a falling market, you should go for covered shorts using different currency pairs. But that's an art in its own right
3752  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Here we are! lovers' of bullish trend. on: March 30, 2019, 05:12:24 PM
If you think logically, we won't be seeing the price explode to insane levels. Just like how Bitcoin offered great shorting opportunities for such a long period of time, so will you have more than enough long opportunities when we're trending up

Logic is the last thing you should employ in such speculative markets as Bitcoin

And Bitcoin is certainly not alone in this department. The famous phrase by John Keynes about markets staying irrational longer that you can stay solvent was said in respect to stock markets, and while there is an ultimate limit as to how low Bitcoin can fall, there's virtually no limit as to how high it can rise

Remember that dude from early 2017 who lost a pile of cash trying to short Bitcoin? This was a wake-up call for all the shorters out there (read, the price can in fact explode to insane levels in less than no time as it did in the past many times). Everyone and his grandma should stay away from naked shorts at all costs at all times
3753  Economy / Speculation / Re: On whales and their impact on: March 30, 2019, 01:34:26 PM
I think people are making whales into a scapegoat

Whales do buy as well as sell since otherwise they wouldn't be able to become whales in the first place (apart from mining, of course). But we have yet to see any conclusive and solid evidence that any whale is actually engaged in actual market manipulation. People love to talk about this sort of thing as it gives them piece of mind via rationalization of their losses allegedly incurred through deliberate market manipulation by wealthy cryptoholders. Please note that I don't deny market manipulation as such but I'm very dubious and skeptical whether it really comes from whales. Does anyone actually think that the Winklevii (for example) are manipulating the market?
3754  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Here we are! lovers' of bullish trend. on: March 30, 2019, 10:24:55 AM
The bullish trend is still far from happening. It only raises a few dollars, if the price reach or pass 5k then I would believe that the bull is coming. So far it's still at $4,060 and didn't get over $4,100.
You can now check https://coinmarketcap.com. since yesterday after this thread was opened there is a high significant gained.  Bitcoin is currently around $4225 the highest so far this year. The strongest resistance level I know before $5000 was around $4250 resistance level. If that level is broken?

I'm not sure if the 4225 high is the highest high so far this year

Regardless, it seems to me that we should take an earlier point of reference. I think we should proceed from the lowest low reached during the bear trend which started in 2018. If I'm not mistaken it was December 20th (not very far from 2018 anyway) and after that we rebounded to almost 4400. That should be our major resistance level. Besides, in February we also surged to almost 4300 but didn't stay there (all prices are Bitfinex)



As you can see, we have a pretty big distance to cover before we break out
3755  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: CoinMarketCap hit $140B is this the start of the next bullrun? on: March 30, 2019, 08:46:49 AM
So we can see some pattern here, and for obvious reasons, it doesn't look like that we are in a bull run yet. We are so far from that, imho

That's not the only pattern

Another pattern which is worth mentioning here is the slow rise. And it is not so much the rise of the price itself (I refer to local highs here) as the uplift of the whole trading range. In other words, we may not be making new highs (for example, in early January we surged to almost 4400), but we are nevertheless still making higher lows. If anything, this is definitely a good sign since the recovery is well underway
3756  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Here we are! lovers' of bullish trend. on: March 30, 2019, 06:46:33 AM
From the look of things it seemed the bullish trend has commenced and most of the langing indicators are showing uptrend signal. I am a lover of bullish trend and I do wish the market keep going upwards with a little reset along the ways and I do believe that we all has the desire of seeing bitcoin and cryptocurrencies market be in good condition.
The bearish trend that commenced in December around 15, 2017 seem to be over and now we are awaiting another bull run that may create another pathways that we have never seeing before. My desired is that all the cryptocurrencies holders and enthusiast become millionaires, billionaires and the leaders of the world financial system.

I wish you had a more original idea when you thought of creating a new thread like this.
Seriously? "love of bullish trend"?? What's next? Lover of double top pattern reversal??

I understand and even reciprocate your sarcasm (to a degree)

On the other hand, you should in fact expect some people to love, for example, dead cat's bounces as they typically give you a chance to unwind your losing positions with a minimal loss. Damn, we should all love them. Conversely, if you are deep in shorts you may not in fact love bull runs, that's true. Most certainly, you will outright hate them. But as the saying goes, there's only one step between love and hate, so when you change your exposure from short to long, you will start to love the bull all over again

As far as OP's enthusiasm is considered, we are not in a bullish trend yet, if anything we're at the extreme edge of a rising wedge, which means we're due for a dip back to sub 3800 levels

See, you definitely love rising wedges
3757  Economy / Economics / Re: Duration will replace btc/gold and scummy fiat on: March 30, 2019, 06:30:42 AM
I would just say that impossibility can not be made possible. The scene you are trying to come up with is like back in the era of trade by barter. That time is gone, gone for good and will never come back.

There will always be a means of exchange that is generally accepted by the people because of the complexity of want and desire. Duration will face the challenges faced by trade by barter. Which is basically, want and desire.
That is very correct the time the poster is trying to put up is an old era method were time is judge as an equal commodity to all, but the real calculator and determinant of time is it value. It true that we all have 24 hours a day but the value of each person time differs and so is the result of each person time

Unlike movies, you can't give somebody your time

Well, in fact you can (like in conversations or whatever), but there's no guarantee that anyone will be interested in your precious time at all (and it is more like spending time, not earning it). In this manner, there cannot be what we could loosely call a universal time or duration exchange. In other words, duration is not fungible, i.e. any unit or part of duration is different from another unit, and therefore it cannot be used as money

See, one bitcoin is still the same bitcoin no matter what wallet it came from. Technically, it is not quite so due to tainted coins (wallets) but it is still a safe assumption overall (and you can always use mixers if something). To sum it up, the whole idea seems to be stillborn as it has severe issues with fungibility, which makes duration not suitable to be used as money, end of story 
3758  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Keep proper distance but not losing passion on: March 29, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
Everyone has a different incentive to start working. Someone inspired by the successful story of another person and began to study trade. And someone need to make a lot of mistakes to start doing things right.
Here is the root problem. People get inspired by reading other peoples story of success. I would say they actually get "excited" by reading other peoples success story. The stories they read makes them disillusion. They think that the traders got lucky over night and made some quick huge profit. Even though this is not the reality, the readers still jump into the market hoping they will get rich too. And this is exactly where those traders suffer the most.

I would support that. Based on stories of others people often think that trading is easy and making money with Bitcoin is easy. They don't know how much efforts, experiences, knowledge and risk taking stays behind that. Yes, some success stories could be good motivation and like for any other job for trading you also need some passion but in such cases people have difficulties to tell the real situation from some illusion

Such stories definitely have some ground and substance

In fact, making money with Bitcoin was pretty easy the whole time since the second half of 2015 and till the end of 2017 (which is over two years, just in case). You could simply buy a few bitcoins at any price back in the day and then wait patiently for your investment to double or triple (and if you were extremely patient you could even quadruple your starting capital). The hardest part was to curb your greed when it was the right time to call it a day. That's what these stories typically don't tell
3759  Economy / Economics / Re: What the true believers know but don't express well on: March 29, 2019, 08:00:39 PM
For the true believers, Bitcoin will always have value as long as it exists.

We will be happy to work or sell goods for 1 btc even if we know the price will move in the future.

The increase of true believers, of their revenue and of their networth drives the price up because as they get older, they get richer and as they get richer, they get more bitcoins. The process takes year and increases bitcoin's strengh and bottoms.

It's not a year or 2 bear market that will chase previous true believers and new true believers arrive in the community everyday and it's pushing the price higher.

That's a piece of bullshit (pardon the language)

Bitcoin is not about blind trust, it is not a Ponzi. It is about real-world utility as this is what counts at the end of the day. You may trust Bitcoin or you may distrust it (or whatever), but if it does its job damn well, you will be using it just because it fits your purpose. If it were only about true believers, Bitcoin would still be in single digits (likely after the decimal point). People can get richer only if they start using Bitcoin in real life. Otherwise, it is a zero-sum game. Think of musical chairs here where there's only one chair standing and it's already taken
3760  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Keep proper distance but not losing passion on: March 29, 2019, 07:25:14 PM
like in my case, trading has always been a thing of fun especially when I was still learning, I know I lost a lot of funds but I saw it as an opportunity to even learn more and get better, it helped me not to repeat same mistake twice and made me get better.
I understand the thrill of trading, but there is no such a thing as fun trading when you are risking your hard earned money. People thinking trading is a fun thing are mostly the ones who end up losing in the long run

I guess the point is here to not get married to your investment. Broadly speaking, it depends on your definition of "fun". For example, Linux was started "just for fun" but that didn't prevent it from turning into a major milestone in the operating system development and information technologies in general. So there is a grain of truth in approaching trading with a sane bit of superficiality since otherwise you wouldn't be able to deal with the losses which are inevitable on your way to success at this endeavor. And let's be honest here, many of us like the thrill of trading, especially if we have a backup income not related to this activity

Simply put, when you are penniwise, you'll never win the highest prize!
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