I have mining rigs that are down that take priority over sitting here and arguing with you. Also I'd like to play a video game or two before going to sleep for work tomorrow. I have been on these forums since I got off work today for hours. Sorry, you are not special enough for me to waste my time to explain my point to a retard troll like you.
The only evidence needed for my argument is current evaluation of Bitcoin and Litecoin, and how Bitcoin spring boarded Litecoin adoption and value. You are so so so stupid to try to argue against this point.
Quoting. Thanks, this is what I need, whatever you said is now entirely discredited to every logical person. Take a look back, you are very religious. "I don't need evidence", "the only evidence needed is [insert uncorrelated and irrelevant evidence here]", "retard troll". I'm a bit disappointed. It's always good to have rational arguments with other people, regardless of which sides comes up in the end, but I expect too much from someone who I previously had respect for. Some tips for next time:Do not waste my time if you are not prepared to change your views. Do not back out of a discussion with personal accusations and insults. Bring evidence to support your arguments. Evidence must be relevant, and is not opinion, unless it is of many. --- Let's get back on topic: "Should the most popular commercial project or service have a sticky for a non-PSA announcement at the determent of other competitors?" |
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You completely disregarded my valid argument with comparisons that do not even portray the situation correctly, and asked me questions in a way that they will get the answer you're looking for. Anyone can do that on any subject to get a certain response they want.
Like I said, you're obviously a troll and I'm not going to sit here and argue with you all night, I've got things to do.
If you can't see why this is good for the ALT coin community, then you are dumb.
Troll on sir..
Your argument is not valid. Repeating the same things again and again does not make it true. The forum endorsing the "golden child" does not benefit everyone. ASSUMPTION: Litecoin being more successful will benefit other alt coins.Not backed by evidence. Looking at historical trade data, LTC being more successful does not benefit other alt coinsEven if we assume that is true, economics is a zero sum game. Let us IMAGINE that what you are saying is true (it is not, you have no evidence and analysis of trade data shows nothing): LTC: +7 ABC: +2 CBA: +1 Actual: ABC: -5 CBA: -6 Do you think printing more money is the solution? When you make a profit, it does not come out of nowhere, SOMEONE ELSE JUST MADE A LOSS. This proves that EVEN if all coins 'benefit' (which you have not supported with evidence), other coins are not really benefiting. I appreciate how you backed out of discussion by calling me a "troll". It's what children use, it is not what adults use in a discussion |
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1. Will you profit in a financial way if LTCUSD doubles?
A: Yes -> It is for profit.
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If you are unwilling to argue on an abstract and policy level compared to a case by case level where your opinions, instead of logic, is used, then I am unwilling to discuss the subject with you.
I usually do not debate people on religion-like issues because it is not a productive use of time, however intelligent people are able to separate their own views from logical thinking and decision making. I am not convinced you are able to do that.
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Answer these set of questions:
Should BFL be sticked for anything other than important announcements?
Should MtGox be sticked for anything other than important announcements?
Should ASICMINER be stickied for anything other than important announcements?
Should Casascius (brand of coin) be stickied for anything other than important announcements?
Should P2Pool be sticked for anything other than important announcements?
Should Litecoin Core Developers (a group of central developers seeking PAY) be stickied for anything other than important announcements?
Your answer must be the same for all of the 6 questions, either YES to all or NO to all, otherwise you are letting opinion influence policy. I included the P2Pool example to counter your "decentralization" argument, because development is not done in a decentralized manner in ANY open source project.
The litecoin core dev group is commercial.
While Litecoin is decentralized on the network level, there are a group of people who would benefit from LTC, and a group of people who would not. This is still for profit.
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Market cap, yes. It is not the most valuable coin because there are coins where 1 unit > Litecoin's price. This discussion is offtopic to the thread however. Most of your points are because of your love of Litecoin (aka opinion), which under any forum not run by a 13 year old Xbox clan does not stand as a valid argument. The begging is from a group of developers who have done nothing other than change variable names and merge changes back to LTC. They didn't write scrypt, they didn't implement scrypt, they didn't do anything useful. Litecoin has a valuation, however that valuation like Bitcoin is speculation based rather than usefulness / inventiveness / the benefits to other alt coins. Why is this mutually beneficial to all ALT coins? Let's face it, Litecoin is the ALT coin golden child. MtGox is the exchange golden child. Every new coin is striving to be like Litecoin and imitate the success Litecoin has had. Every new exchange is striving to imitate the success of Gox. The more successful Litecoin is, the more likely more people are to speculate in other ALT coins, This argument is flawed. So, please explain to me how stickying MtGox as an official endorsement in the Currency Exchange section is beneficial to ALL exchanges, including BTC-e and Bitstamp and blah blah. This is why something being POPULAR is ABSOLUTELY NOT a reason for commercial endorsement by this forum, because it is not fair to other coins. Remove all names on this subject. Think about it from an abstract and policy level. "Should the most popular commercial project or service have a sticky for a non-PSA announcement at the determent of other competitors?" Should BFL be sticked for anything other than important announcements? Should MtGox be sticked for anything other than important announcements? Should ASICMINER be stickied for anything other than important announcements? Should Casascius (brand of coin) be stickied for anything other than important announcements? Should Litecoin be stickied for anything other than important announcements? This is not an important announcement. I am happy to express my arguments on this issue, however before we get to that step you need to conclude your current arguments. http://twentytwowords.com/2011/03/15/a-flowchart-to-help-you-determine-if-youre-having-a-rational-discussion/ |
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With all due respect, do you even have basic reading comprehension?
THIS IS NOT AN IMPORTANT FORK ANNOUNCEMENT. ACTION IS NOT *NEEDED* ON THE PART OF USERS. IT IS A COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT.
Action IS needed on the part of users. Litecoin will die a slow death without further development and innovation, just like Terracoin/Feathercoin would have died if they were 51% attacked. LOL, are you fucking serious? ACTION IS NOT NEEDED ON THE PART OF USERS. Why doesn't all the alt coins get the same treatment? Popularity does not come to this, otherwise it is unfair because this forum is for ALL alt coins, not the most popular ones |
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I notice that you didn't rage when Terracoin/Feathercoin threads were stickied, but now because it's Litecoin you all the sudden have a problem with it?
Like it or not, Litecoin is the most valuable and widely adopted ALT coin. It deserves a sticky every now and then IMO.
There was no "fundraising" (this is begging BTW) thread stickied for any alt coin. Litecoin is not the most valuable alt coin, and just because something is the most popular it does NOT deserve a sticky because of it's popularity. Stickies should be awarded based on importance, and chain forks are not the same as begging. |
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With all due respect, do you even have basic reading comprehension?
THIS IS NOT AN IMPORTANT FORK ANNOUNCEMENT. ACTION IS NOT *NEEDED* ON THE PART OF USERS. IT IS A COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT.
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Based on your estimation of the network difficulty. This probably isn't going to be profitable, we have had difficulty increases of 100x in six months when new technology comes along. When ASIC supplies clear up, same thing will happen.
Now, if you think ASICMINER and Avalon and BFL and all the random companies are all going to have supply woes, then if this is priced at a lower price then it might be a good idea.
@davecoin: CoinLenders is perfect for you.
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I'm pretty sure he is doing ot to look more reputable and scam someone..
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Thanks for clearing up that you have no argument.
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SCAMMER - OWES ME 20 BTC OF PENTESTING REWARDS THAT HE REFUSES TO PAY OUT AFTER I GOT ACCESS INTO THE ADMIN PANEL
SCAMMER DO NOT TRADE WITH
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If you are a litecoin supporter and greed is known for changing your views, replace Litecoin with Sexcoin or whatever. What coin it is or it's popularity has nothing to do with this (otherwise catch 22). It's like how I profited from the BFL bet declared a push but I consider betsofbitcoin a scammer. Your personal motivations needs to be ignored when you are asking if something is fair or not.
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Regarding TradeFortress arguments, i think i am already familiar with the way is thinking (but is not the only one, most of the guys who made good money mining bitcoin have the same attitude): the developers should get nothing, they should "donate" their time to the project to make other people rich, and if is possible they should also invest some of their own money to get the project going. This is the biggest problem of the crypto currency now, but maybe in time, this will issue will be resolved.
That's not my point. My point is that this is a commercial endorsement, by what I believe is one moderator, on a shared space where it is putting other coins in an unfair disadvantage. Funding for cryptocurrencies will evolve to businesses funding developers to work on Bitcoin. Same thing with the Linux kernel - most of the commits are from developers employed by companies. That's not a problem. jgarzik is one example, he's employed by Bit-Pay. Fundraisers / donations are not bad however. My point is that this thread shouldn't be stickied  There were other discussion stickied about other coin reguarding important announcement, this is not a LTC privilege. This is an commercial advertisement for the current Litecoin devs as well as litecoin. It is not an important announcement or PSA. The problem here is Litecoin given preferential treatment. Tell me how is this different from a moderator sticking a service. There are people who financially profit (that is not bad alone), at the clear determent of competitors using an unfair advantage decided by one person that hasn't shown up even with a PM. |
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> original
> alt coin
DOES NOT COMPUTE.
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Regarding TradeFortress arguments, i think i am already familiar with the way is thinking (but is not the only one, most of the guys who made good money mining bitcoin have the same attitude): the developers should get nothing, they should "donate" their time to the project to make other people rich, and if is possible they should also invest some of their own money to get the project going. This is the biggest problem of the crypto currency now, but maybe in time, this will issue will be resolved.
That's not my point. My point is that this is a commercial endorsement, by what I believe is one moderator, on a shared space where it is putting other coins in an unfair disadvantage. Funding for cryptocurrencies will evolve to businesses funding developers to work on Bitcoin. Same thing with the Linux kernel - most of the commits are from developers employed by companies. That's not a problem. jgarzik is one example, he's employed by Bit-Pay. Fundraisers / donations are not bad however. My point is that this thread shouldn't be stickied |
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Yeah just exploring how they merge into each other...releases come from dev work....so it seems they are kinda inta related I think raising coins for dev is ok....maybe ok for sticky maybe not, but there is a general clutter issue in alts.
on tangent to another point you raise, it's sorta interesting that clients get their own child boards. I think alts need a child board for launches/info on coins.
I am not sure why mod's are so opposed to this.
I also think Coblee raises some legit points, LTC is the backbone of many alts, and so its hard to argue that LTC dev will not benefit all alts.
I also can not see anything close in the alts (except PPC) to the DEV organization and team for LTC. Eg Sunny king is probably the next or best dev TRC are probably next but who are they even, and they go rouge on each other, WDC 2 apparently???
Tenebrix is the backbone of every Litecoin alt. Bitcoin is the backbone of pretty much every alt, including Tenebrix and Litecoin. Litecoin is nothing more than a number of variable changes, seriously. It is a good thing we don't have subforums for each coin, because it's a waste of time and just look at the current flood of alt coins. But that is a separate matter, please don't go offtopic |
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Kind of silly to argue about whether or not this thread should be stickied. The mining pools thread used to sticky threads for the top 10 pools. I guess this is not much different. I guess the mods feel like this is an important thread to the Alternate cryptocurrencies subforum. And that's all there is to it. Since more than half of the cryptocurrencies is cloned from Litecoin, they can all benefit from us working on Litecoin... similar to how Litecoin benefits from all the hard work the Bitcoin devs have put in. So I guess what I'm trying to say is we should spend less time arguing for the sake of arguing... and just donate! Litecoin was a clone of another coin. I think it's distasteful to use that as an argument, and ending the post with "just donate". Regarding your mining pools example: that is a policy, not something on a whim. The moderators may feel this as an "important thread", however I disagree on that it should be stickied because it is a commercial endorsement. Someone is benefiting from this thread being stickied at the determent of other groups, compared to other important announcements (eg forks) where someone is benefiting but nobody is having a commercial disadvantage. |
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