I have always found it absurd how unproductive members of society who have made leisurely pursuits their life goal are despised by mainstream opinion, while equally unproductive members who outwardly project the image of effort for effort's sake, are respected.
I don't get your point. I didn't want to talk about any morality of money. What I am saying is that nowadays brains are not used to produce wealth, but only to gain the right to enslave people (I'm exagerating a bit to make my point clearer). In a extreme version of this, society would be divided in two parts : people whom intellingence would have been detected during youth with IQ tests, and other "dumb" people. The formers would have the right not to work in life. They would just collect the fruit of the labor done by the latters. This fruit of labour would be stolen via organized force. |
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I thought the target blocks creation rate was 6 blocks/hour.
On bitcoinwatch.com I see that it is usually 9 or more.
Is there something wrong about that ?
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There are people offering to sell bitcoins for cash in the mail, but who knows what they'll do if the exchange rate varies while it's in the mail.
It's extremely frustrating.
Well, if gaining bitcoins was very easy, it wouldn't worth that much, would it ? Yes, it is not as easy as buying some shoes. Because bitcoins seller will not be very happy to use current paiement method (credit cards and stuffs). So you have to accept some risk. Personnaly I bought my first bitcoins with cash in the mail. I lost 10$ trying to deal with bitcoin2cash. I succeeded in buying for 30$ though, with bitcoin4cash. You can consider selling real stuffs for bitcoins. I sold some linux stickers (you want some ? PM me) for 40 BTC. I also sold some silver and 7 grams of gold. Earning money is no easy task. If you find a good way to do it, let me know. |
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Nice try  Hey Im just thinking of you guys lol. Ok you're funny. I gave you 0.01 bc. |
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Nice try |
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Don't invest, live in the moment and live like you want to.
Well, you have to do something with the money you don't spend. Moreover, if you don't invest, then you don't have money and thus you have to work. Working : Errrr... |
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FreeMoney won at 1,200 BTC. I'll soon make an other auction for a 10g mini gold bar. Who knows, someday I might sell a 1kg gold bar for bitcoins |
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Well, although very few people seem intersted, I've started the IRC auction.
It's on freenode, channel #btc-gold-auction.
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You still have some time to put your bid on the forum.
So far FreeMoney leads at 1,200 BTC.
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Not in all countries, that is mostly true in Western European nations. That said, even that much is statistical noise in the trendline of human history. There have been more dramatic setbacks to that trendline than the relatively recent reproductive habits of a couple of generations of wealthy and self-absorbed white people.
I thought that too, until I read a book from some french demographs "Essai de prospective démographique". Main author is Pierre Chaunu. According to their studies, even if indeed it's in western countries that the phenomenun is the more acute, developping countries do also follow this line, in an alarming rate. Many of them have already a natality rate below replacement rate. And yet, their population is growing rapidly, which gives a false impression of a vivid population, while it is only aging. Contraception may be a recent invention in human history, but it is of a huge importance, probably very much underestimated, imo. I think that "Demographic winter" is a serious hypothesis that should not be ignored. |
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Let's be clear about one thing, no one person should get to decide what is "worth it" for the rest. It matters not how worthy the cause, not even if the very survival of the entire human species depends upon it with an absolute certainty. If you are advocating for the taxation of others to fund your ideal project, you are advocating for the legalized theft of the rightful property of others. Whatever it is, if it is truly worthwhile, someone will fund it voluntarily.
+1, creighto. Couldn't say it better. |
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Some people think a lot of things about the future, but if history is of any value it tells us that those who make distant predictions have a terrible track record. I'll stick with the long term trendline in my own assumptions, which is decidedly more people with longer lifespans.
Longer lifespans doesn't do much for human reproduction. Whether a woman lives 60 or 110 years, she will have the same amount of babies, and this will probably be below replacement rate. If you like to folow long term trendline, don't look at total population number, but look at this rate. In every countries, natality is sliding below replacement rate. Longer lifespans only hides this phenomenum, giving the impression of a growing population. But it's not growing : it's aging. And after getting old, all these people will just die, leaving behind them a dramaticly smaller number of people. And don't think it would be good news, you would be very wrong, imo. |
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This is an exercise in the Broken Window Fallacy. Basically, you're assuming that something won't develop if DARPA did not fund the internet. Something else entirely could have develop -or- something similar to the internet.
+1 We might also take bitcoin as an example. Satoshi's white paper is the smartest document I had read in years. And yet, correct me if I am wrong, but Satoshi is not a State employee, nor is bitcoin any part of a government project. |
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It would be a massive accomplishment to have a human settlement on Mars. The boon to science and living standards would be incredible from the challenges that need to be solved. Suddenly we'd be abundant in rare resources- everyone on Earth would be rich from Mars-Earth trade. It's the new frontier of exploration.
And it's not a flag on the surface exercise. Any mission to Mars would require people staying on the surface a minimum of 6 months as the window to fly back to Earth does not happen often. In fact many (Buzz Aldrin included) argue it should be a one-way mission.
I'm not sure how you can argue against "Useless intellectual work", when the internet you're using is a product of that. A society needs to support it's artisans and thinkers to have a healthy vibrant culture. The single movers among the thousand sheep make the payoff worth it.
Oh my god. You are hopelessly brain-washed. My initial post is not against science or technological progress. Please read it again. |
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We actually know how to do this, it's just that it would take more resources than it could produce in return; a net loss, particularly when compared to other inhabited areas of the planet. A series of space mirrors in a polar orbit would be a much easier means of opening up productive agricultural land. That said, food isn't the main reason that humanity would consider permanent occupation of Mars or the Moon, and neither is living space. H3 would be a major Moon export for example, and if the Sahara (or the South pole) had an economicly viable volume of H3 to be collected, there would already be a permanent settlement there. In the case of H3, any atmosphere is counterproductive.
I also very much doubt we need energetic resources that bad. I mean, it's true that we are currently facing environmental and energetic difficulties, mainly due to our recent dramatic demographic increase. But this is only temporary. Most countries have already entered demographic transition phase, so that we can very much predict that there will be a drastic decrease in human population, not even due to wars, social unstability or whatever, but only because of the decrease of natality due to contraception and rise of feminine condition. Some people even think it could lead to human extinction. Anyway, this will cause major social problematic situations, and will require a full refundation of societies, but it will also make the need of resources a problem from the past. |
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$10 billion / year is a drop in the ocean compared to the annual war budget of $650 billion (plain disgusting), so it's sad to see you attack science that's helping us spread forth to other worlds and expanding out as a race. Stay on Earth and our resources will run dry. We attack our neighbours for what limited resources there are because we will see them as competitors for survival- a rascist world compared to the resource abundant one where humanity is global brotherhood pooling our brains to come up with new creative solutions.
It doesn't help us to spread in any way. It tries, but so far it has been a fantastic failure. And if $10 billion / year is that little of an amount of money, why don't scientists just finance it themselves, instead of stealing it from non-scientists ? And as far ar war budget is concerned, this is not an excuse. A bad doesn't justify an other bad. When I see how humans are unable to just put some solar cells in Sahara for instance, or to explore resources in deep oceans, to me it just stupid to announce they want to go to Mars. This IS propaganda, you just don't realise it. They will spend trillions of tax money to go there, they will put a nice flag on the surface, and then they will eventually come back to Earth, litteraly. There is almost no resource on Mars. Water ? Maybe. Minerals ? Sure. But most of the energy we use comes from the Sun (and we don't have to go to Mars to get it) and from fossilized biomass. Now, here is some news for you : THERE IS NO BIOMASS ON MARS ! It is nothing else than a huge desertic place. Show me you can fertilize the Sahara, and then I might take you seriously when you talk about going to Mars. And again, I'm still waiting for you to justify why you would have the right to force me, via taxation, to work in order to help you to fullfill your silly dreams. Human is a life form and as any life form it tends to spread. But as any life form it is designed to spread in a earth-like environnement, not a huge 0°C cold, irradiated, 1% thick atmosphered, unoxygened, nolifed land. An asteroid hits the Earth and we all die out. Nice while it lasted.
Well this is a nice allegory of life, because I have an other big news for you : we will all die anyway. Don't worry about what could happen in a few billion years. You will probably die in less than a century, anyway. You'd better start living with this idea. Enjoy present life, carpe diem, and don't live in fantasy. |
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where will irc bidding take place?
On freenode. I'll create a channel. |
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Less than 200 blocks left, which should be less than 24 hours.
I will probably start the IRC bidding around block number 89,950
Again, so far FreeMoney leads at 1,200 BTC. Anyone for 1,300 BTC ?
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