Yes, because keeping tabs on a competitor's thread is "following PuertoLibre around." heh... god you are such an idiot I just can't believe it sometimes.
Yet you say exactly the same. Thank you for admitting you are an idiot. Really? Can you show me where? Please point out where I have followed you around to an unrelated thread, posting on a unrelated topic that has nothing to do with me or my company where you haven't mentioned myself or BFL or both in a derogatory manner. See that's the difference, I don't care what you post so long as you aren't posting lies and bullshit about myself or BFL. You, on the other hand, seem to care about every post I make and follow me into threads that have nothing to do with Avalon, have no referenced you in any way and basically have nothing to do with you. And just as a point of reference, because you keep repeating this fiction. BFL did not raise it's specs because of Avalon is not now nor has it ever been competitive with BFL products. We raised our specs due to bASIC. Avalon played exactly zero factor into our decision, and in fact if I recall they responded to BFL by lowering their $1999 price point because they knew no one would pay $2000 for a 66 GH/s device when they could get a 60 GH/s device for $1299. So BFL forced Avalon to price their units at a more reasonable level instead of gouging customers. You're welcome for that. Is this a joke?? <PL: Takes a good look above and makes sure I am in the Avalon thread. Double checks that he is quoting me and is talking to me with directed questions.> <Continues on my last thought> Yeah, I do believe you do follow people around. Perhaps you have a smart phone tracking the so called "clown posse" as you once called us that. Sometimes, I post and your immediately responding. Perhaps it is a mere coincidence? <shrugs> |
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Can someone please post what are the BTC addresses accepted for each ASIC company?
I was looking through one of bASIC's addresses and it shows they only took in 541,000 USD (in BTC).
What are the addresses for BFL and Avalon?
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I received a full refund of the CC portion of my order at close of business yesterday. They(Dave) is most definitely doing what he says he is.
Hey, Where are you sending those BTC/Dollars next? |
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c'mon you coward, why are you hiding behind a sock puppet? Believe it or not I did not post it. That guy did. He claimed it was you. I would advise you take the issue up with a Moderator and ask them to take it off. Believe it or not I do respect your privacy. I complied with your request in the other thread. If you see any other references to it in my postings let me know and I will take those out as well. (Make sure to give me a link.) |
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You can't handle a logical argument.
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sigh* OK hang on a sec... What is to gain here for BFL to lie and hold peoples money any longer with Avalon shipping already and basically days away from mining. I heard in an other post that a person was gonna do a review on it. That he was going to be one of the first to receive an asic. Why would BFL not just take off now? Are they just waiting to scoop the fpga now?  like whats the angle from here on? If you are a trade-in customer you have to first ship your FPGA to BFL to receive your ASIC with the discount. OR You make a deposit for the equivalent FPGA trade in value (in BTC) and then they send you the ASIC unit. (Like a security deposit) Josh once stated that these deposits won't be converted to USD, if I recall correctly. So if you send in 10 coins, you should get back 10 coins regardless of the market value. So trade in's require some risk of the buyer in some form or another. |
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I hope they keep their tricks a secret until BFL starts building the PCB's and commits hard money to completing their project.
I doubt at that point any BFL customer will get their cash back.
Josh can correct me if I am wrong about this and tell his customers that they can pull their cash out of this venture at any point (without limitations) prior to shipping.
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BFL has the 40Gh/s system.
BFL takes them seriously, makes a promise to overclock their ASICs by 30%. Raising it to 60 Gh/s.
Last time I checked, overclocking from 40GH/s -> 60GH/s was a 50% overclock, not 30%. I could be wrong tho. Those damn maths are sneaky little bastards. Your right. I was thinking of the 60Gh/s instead of the old 40Gh/s. I'll go back and change it. |
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Because people would still be willing to pay more once they know what it is they are getting.
Okay, say I want to buy a device for mining, and I want it to remain profitable for at least a year. That means I am looking for a device with the following features: Sure, Avalon could have some extra awesome feature, but unless that feature increases mining (maybe it sees the future so it knows which nonce it will be without hashing?) or reduced power (maybe it includes 16 100W solar panels to keep the unit online for free?) then the unit is not going to be superior than a boring competing unit which does the same mining for 1/4 of the power. Quoted for future reference. A sampling of a BFL supporter before the review.  I 'll ask you later on if you are still thinking along the same lines. (Don't worry, I know it won't make sense to you until later.) So after this insider info, how much will you order from the second batch? And please define "until later" please, if you are allowed to. No, not an insider, I know just slightly more than you. It is just one detail that can make or break companies. Think about what happened prior to today and what really messed up the ASIC companies in general. ----------------------- Travel back in memory to September 2012. bASIC has the 36Gh/s system. BFL has the 40Gh/s system. Avalon has the 60Gh/s system. Avalon begins their project in full swing and starts accepting orders. BFL takes them seriously, makes a promise to overclock their ASICs by 50%. Raising it to 60 Gh/s. Problems occur with the BFL single because of the raised specs. Plastic (no surprise) is not good for removing this extra heat. Problems occur with the BFL chips being very close to overheating (without any thermal control. with thermal control it would have continuously throttled the GH/s.) They miss their October Delivery date. They keep it virtually a secret as to what happened. November, then December, then January, and soon to be February 2013. ----- bASIC raises their speed ratings up to 72Gh/s. Causing a redesign of the entire PCB system. They were slated for a November release at 36Gh/s (if I recall correctly). A 100% performance increase. November turns into December, then January, and eventually February and March 2013. Again, this causes customers to lose confidence and eventually the company collapses. ------- Avalon opens their orders in September 2012 for 60Gh/s systems. They take on orders and cut their shipping estimates from February 2013 to January 2013. After some optimization of the software their miner runs on, they estimate a raise of customer devices up to 66Gh/s. No apparent hardware changes occur. They are on time. People complain about Avalon not having shipping information readily available and the low rate of speed for building the devices. Avalon cites some issues with customs at a Shipping broker. Unreleased features to be reviewed by a third party...kept secret until the reviewer is done or customers receive their units. ------------------- ------------------- As you can see, the ones who have to worry alot are the competition. They messed themselves up by trying to over compete. One folded due to people losing confidence. The other is rebuilding over and over again to try to remain competitive. What happens if one of those unreleased features makes them (BFL) an noncompetitive lemon? Inaba/Josh can boast all he wants. At the end of the day its all about the customers. If they don't have a Plan B....well, bASIC...here we go for round 2. |
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Because people would still be willing to pay more once they know what it is they are getting.
Okay, say I want to buy a device for mining, and I want it to remain profitable for at least a year. That means I am looking for a device with the following features: Sure, Avalon could have some extra awesome feature, but unless that feature increases mining (maybe it sees the future so it knows which nonce it will be without hashing?) or reduced power (maybe it includes 16 100W solar panels to keep the unit online for free?) then the unit is not going to be superior than a boring competing unit which does the same mining for 1/4 of the power. Quoted for future reference. A sampling of a BFL supporter before the review. I 'll ask you later on if you are still thinking along the same lines. (Don't worry, I know it won't make sense to you until later.) |
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Yes, because keeping tabs on a competitor's thread is "following PuertoLibre around." heh... god you are such an idiot I just can't believe it sometimes.
Yet you say exactly the same. Thank you for admitting you are an idiot. |
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Wow.. the self denial is incredible. Yes, enjoy your 4U, 400w hashing monster, lol. Size a fucking refrigerator for 66 GH/s.
Quoted for future reference. Edit: Sometimes nice things come in big packages (for a good reason). |
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Time tells all tales  P.S. @ Inaba I thought you said you didn't follow other users around. Yet here you are. |
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Think about it,
Why would they make you wait for someone else to review the entire feature set? (written by a third party)
What if there was something that a small miner or multi-unit purchaser would appreciate quite a bit?
It is possible that perhaps BFL will cut prices once they know what the features are. Perhaps not. All I do know is that BFL cannot reduce it's prices without pissing off their current pre-order customers. Nor can they give away more units for the same price point.
Hint: Why does Batch 2 cost more than Batch 1?
Because people would still be willing to pay more once they know what it is they are getting.
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all orders will go to Avalon Dude, no. I am not ordering something that uses 400 fucking watts. BFL could blow out their power consumption by 100% and still be a third of that. <Cough> <Cough> Actually, once you find out what the feature set is, I am pretty sure the first thing that will happen is BFL customers will either: A) Wish to bail at the very last minute...and BFL will (very likely) refuse customers their refund requests as they are already being assembled. B) Wish for BFL to implement the same kinds of features...immediately....which won't be doable in the short term. Causing BFL customers to be upset that their money is tied up in a product that most of them won't want. Which then begs the question: Do you want to spend $1,300 at BFL or $1500 at Avalon once you know what the feature sets are?Why do you think they are being super secretive about what these features are exactly?   The feature-set is probably where Avalon will upset the remaining market. (Don't ask me what I mean, I won't say anyway) |
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That explains everything....
You didn't know? Dob or rather DOB is a street name for a rather powerful psychedelic drug (Brolamfetamine). Uh, oh.... Now I really understand. Thanks for that information. Strange name for an avatar...then again....perhaps not. So in essence, you have to be on drugs to be pacified to BFL's delays. (I am joking) |
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Shouting stupid remarks in a huge red font only makes you sound more stupid. I guess buying new assembly benches also means they never assembled fpga units before?
I didn't say that Slock. You did. I can't be responsible for your stupidities as well.
Give it up, you will never be funny, even with two sidekicks like greywhine and puertoprobably.
Slock, Sucks, Cock, Locks. Rearrange the letters to find something funny if you must. it is like a word puzzle. Look at that, I have descended into an Inaba-ism. ( Look above if you don't believe me!) I look stupid, right? Then why does Inaba look smart when he does it? Interesting question, huh? your too stupid to figure out simple concepts.
www.joshzerlan.com is my new favorite website Yeah, gotta love a website run by a white trash, homophobic, anti-semetic washed up poker player trying to be important, right? Micon is one bald head away from being a neo-nazi. Someone make this a plaque. I think there is a Kodak Moment in there somewhere. |
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Well it's not very easy to make fun of a company intending to deliver product in October and only now noticing they don't actually have benches to assemble product on.
Oh, wait, it is.
LOL, I just read about that. I guess they weren't ready in October as they claimed. LOL I'm sure there's a simple explanation. They WERE all set to go in September 2012, but got stolen by a roving band of bench stealing street toughs? If only I'd studied harder and become a real ASIC design superhero...perhaps then I'd understand these complex molecular density thingies.  Yeah, too bad you can't understand a scam when you see one. CreativeX: BFL IS A SCAM! bASIC is AWESOME! I am ordering from them! Tom: So long, suckas! CreativeX: .... Sorry, your credibility on common sense and detecting the obvious is completely shot at this point. Not that you had much to begin with, being such a lying idiot, but hey... You can always aspire to move up to dumbass one day. Do you two have a thing going where you switch into Slokman & Robinaba costumes and shout "To the BTCForums!" before you descend upon the Gothread fighting for justice and stuff? Awww, poor grey cockhawk... all butthurt because he couldn't figure out the difference between "new" and "old" benches. Poor baby. You surely can do better than that. Greycock is almost as overused as Gayhawk. Like, you know, old benches. Give me some of that Inaba originality. I'm sorry, you're not really worth me putting more than about 2 seconds into thinking about. You're just a useless piece of shit, why do you think I care one whit about you? Egomaniac much? Remember, it's you who's in this thread trolling BFL. I don't follow you around posting stupid shit about you constantly... I don't give a flying shit about you in the least, you seem to care about me, though.  If you stopped posting in this thread, I wouldn't even notice your absence, however, I suspect the same is not true for you. You do realize that those are new benches as opposed to old ones? Oh no, wait... your too stupid to figure out simple concepts.
Same, same. You needed them now, didn't have them back then. End of story. |
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@ Bitsyncom
I think it is time for you to add a little more light on this situation.
What is the situations with that third party company that is handling the shipping process?
What has been done to date so far internally? (with respect to units being assembled or any problems that are cropping up.)
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