I think of "democratic" as an adjective as "by the people, for the people." I think that fits Bitcoin.
And some, like Lincoln, would include, "of the people", and I feel that is a good description of democracy and yes, fits what Bitcoin is about. We already have a word to describe "by the people, for the people, of the people". The word is called populist. No need to conflate democracy with populism. Clear thinking starts with clear concepts. And we also have an excellent general term called "democracy." Get yourself a dictionary. It will help you with that clear thinking problem you seem to be having.  |
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"The best social system is one where everyone is given a voice and allowed equal participation."
I certainly don't agree with that. There are probably no situations where everone deserves an equal voice. If we're deciding what to do with my property, my voice is the only voice that matters; it's my property. Note I said "social system" which perhaps can be differentiated from private matters. There is also nothing stopping us from including in a democracy things like constitutions and bills of rights and charters ensuring individual rights etc. etc. Such things can help with the potential "tyranny of the majority" problem. But lets hear yours, and also Rudd-o, ideas on a better system. |
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do you think, that when I use the word democracy, I am actually advocating an exclusive clique having special privileges and powers
over everyone else? Seriously?
That's what observably happens in every democracy, is it not? Unless you distort and pervert reality to deny what your eyes can see, I don't see how you could refute that. Not in my bookclub; we get along just fine. And do we need any more example to prove the statement, that it happens in every democracy, false? |
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I think of "democratic" as an adjective as "by the people, for the people." I think that fits Bitcoin.
And some, like Lincoln, would include, "of the people", and I feel that is a good description of democracy and yes, fits what Bitcoin is about. |
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Explain to me a better social system than one where everyone is given a voice and allowed equal participation? Who here has suggested a social system where everyone ISN'T given a voice and allowed equal participation? Both liberal democracy and ancap allow free speech. Democracy doesn't always mean equal participation, either - for example: * Elected representatives and judges can participate in ways you can't. * Some sub-jurisdictions (states/territories/cities) have more political power per capita than others. * Some democracies ban felons, children, the mentally ill, and non-citizen residents from voting. * Minority political groups might not be listed on the ballot, or be completely disqualified after the primaries. I don't mean to imply you support any of those things - but democracy neither guarantees nor is the sole path to having a voice and equal participation in a society. Indeed. Democracy relies on inequality (giving an exclusive clique of people superpowers over everyone else) in order to (allegedly) "bring about equality". That's like saying "In order for me to give you a rape-free life, I'mma gonna have to rape you now." IOW, absurd. So you disagree with the common definition of democracy? In other words you want to impose your meaning on others instead of accepting the consensual majority view ( i.e. the definition found in such places as dictionaries. )? Is it more important to you to have a crusade against that word, based on your definition, or to try and understand what I, and others, are actually trying to say. After all I have said do you think, that when I use the word democracy, I am actually advocating an exclusive clique having special privileges and powers over everyone else? Seriously? Well lets forget about that word for the moment and tell me instead if you agree with this? "The best social system is one where everyone is given a voice and allowed equal participation." Yes such a system, which some of us might call a "democracy", does often involve something that might be called "sacrifice" but is perhaps better called "compromise". Its also called "playing nice" and "getting along with others" ... something most people learned in kindergarten. |
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BitCrate:
"We're currently dealing with a problem which is causing 78% loss of traffic. Please stand by, we'll be back up soon."
Tendrawbtc is still unavailable.
Bitcoinaddict still doesn't seem to be paying out.
Know a Bit More appears to be running smoothly today.
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It is a common staazi mistake to equivocate "democratic" for "good". Of course this mistake is to be expected, since every child is repeatedly brainwashed for twelve years with this false association that serves staazi ideology. In this sense people use the word "democratic" like they use the word "American" -- as a false virtue, a word that is supposed to stand for "good".
Btw, how do you define "staazi"... is that some derogatory term for a statist? If you are implying that I am one of those I should point out that a better label, if you must have one, would be anarchist... not that I agree completely with the views of any one writer/thinker who is also given that label. I ask again... if these staazi, as you call them, like to call their crimes, etc., "democratic" and "good" why let them get away with it? Why not insist that they are using these terms incorrectly and point out why? Why accept their twisting of the language? Why not call 'them' out, instead of people who try to use words in their proper sense? |
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Ah, "democratic spirit". Like, "I accept that this coke bottle is obviously not blue, but it certainly conforms to the blue spirit".
Nope... failed analogy. Meaningless drivel designed to resist the truth and retain faith in an obsolete mythology.
Political and social equality are obsolete mythologies? Unobtainable? Not worth striving for? |
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do you think money is democratic ?
wake up!
Isn't the point that bitcoin is meant to be better than the current fiat money? Something more... god forbid... democratic?  It is a common staazi mistake to equivocate "democratic" for "good". Of course this mistake is to be expected, since every child is repeatedly brainwashed for twelve years with this false association that serves staazi ideology. In this sense people use the word "democratic" like they use the word "American" -- as a false virtue, a word that is supposed to stand for "good". Yes bitcoin is good -- that does not make bitcoin Democratic. None of the defining features of any democratic system are present in the bitcoin system, so hazek is right, bitcoin is by very definition undemocratic. The homework for the reader is to figure out how that reality of bitcoin is precisely what makes it good.  What is this talk about "good"? Setting up a strawman? I like how many who are denouncing "democracy" point to things like the American political system. Just because they call it democratic doesn't make it so. I am talking about the actual definition of the word not about institutions, etc., that are incorrectly given that label. Explain to me a better social system than one where everyone is given a voice and allowed equal participation? If your answer starts going on to complain that America, or this or that other system, does not allow equal participation or fair representation etc. etc. then you have failed to read the question and are tilting after windmills... |
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CrackBrute force ~~~ Glad to see it got stickied... oh wait... Sticky 
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The Lotto seems fun, may I join that  1CasperDEhyGD81WNPo9qkaFnWxUSWmrqk Sure... added... ~~~ Today's winner: #5 Xanxes |
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Hi Portnoy, another newbie here keen to get some btc experience points :-) Could you add my address 129DHa4tAM4vL2aVJuQ3zzP198N7bD7Lp5 please ? This is newly created for this purpose so should never be "recently used" elsewhere.
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Anyone else feel free to pay me tips.
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Here's my address: 1LExDyNpXAiug3VMbEqUEZNh9L2RiqGmSw
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Hello Bitcoin Community I'm looking for a good places to advertise my new project Videos4BTC I know of Bitcoiney & TheBitcoinReview any others you can think of? Thanks in advance! Check out the sites in the thread in my sig. or here in this newbie section: Free Bitcoins Listing |
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The Know a Bit More site seems to be extremely slow when you press the 'start a new session' button, but will eventually move on to allow you to input an address and answer a question. Bitcrate is still down... "The server at www.bitcrate.net is taking too long to respond." |
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Wowowowowooooow!! Aweeeesoooome Thank you so much Portnoy Don't spend it all in one place. BTW, bitcrate is down at the moment, so you won't be getting anything from that site ( it is often empty anyway ). I'll give you an extra round or two of bitvisitor. |
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Thanks for the huge list, well done sir Mind to add my id to the newbi lotery please? 1CJpnrCmrZmyVG9Nnc2jaG6taguoTbVXXp added... Welcome! Thanks for adding me. You're welcome. Thought i won cause i just got 0.4 and i only do: bitvisitor to get btc, usualy cash out 0.0008, wondering from who this is coming from.
One is unlikely to get that much from checking all the free BTC sites for just one day... it would be hard to get that much in a week even. Maybe someone wanted to help out a newbie and saw your address here or in some other thread...  |
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Winner of today's draw: #11 hashkey
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Thanks for the huge list, well done sir Mind to add my id to the newbi lotery please? 1CJpnrCmrZmyVG9Nnc2jaG6taguoTbVXXp added... Welcome! |
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taint jelly - jealous Randian - Follower of the views of Ayn Rand ( I will bite my tongue and not share my opinion of her "philosophy" ) TANSTAAFL - there ain't no such thing as a free lunch faucet - site which gives out free coin to get newbies started ( or generate revenue from ads ), after Gavin Andresen's original Bitcoin Faucet ( currently closed ). "shut up and take my money!" bitcoind Krugman fallacy - The view that Bitcoin will not succeed because of its deflationary nature: People will "hoard" it instead of spending it, expecting it to raise in value later. Counter argument: While there will always be some who prefer to "save" their coin expecting it to increase in value, Bitcoin is valuable not because it is some rare, shiny, historical store of value like gold but because it is 'useful' as a digital protocol which allows fast, secure, decentralized, pseudonymous, p2p, transactions... etc. |
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