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381  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Gpus temperature. on: April 19, 2022, 06:28:31 PM
So an average temp of about 85° is more than otpimal for the GDDR6X gpus?
That's better!
Cheesy
Yes, 85° is a good memory temperature for GDDR6X cards. 70° or lower is a good core temperature.
382  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bonanza on: April 19, 2022, 04:53:19 PM
First, know you will never "get rich" using household/hobby mining hardware.

What you will do is acquire a hobby that has the potential to motivate you to learn a *LOT* of mathematics, much about the how the internet works, software development, and most of all patience (possibly the most important skill for any investor). At some point you'll even learn a bit of electronics, at the very least the relationship between volts, amps, and watts (and what the latter cost).

Meanwhile, think of investing as developing strength (or losing weight). You don't test everyday; you develop a plan and stick to it. Then at intervals you test (your plan) and make any changes you need.

Good luck!
Correct. Mining is a chicken-and-egg problem. You need money to make money.
If you want to become rich off of nothing, I suggest becoming a software developer and helping mining farms optimize their operations. You could profit off the 'suckers' entering the market. Of course, the failure rate is 80-90% for software companies, so be prepared to spend up to 10 years throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks. When one does succeed, the payoff will more than compensate for the 10 or so failures.
383  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Trying to have my first bite of Asic miners, so excited on: April 19, 2022, 03:54:42 PM
I don't really understand why you bought solar panels... usually, the payback period on the actual ASICs is much faster than on solar arrays. What's the grid power cost in your area?

Personally, I think GPU mining will be alive until the end of the year. ETH PoS has been delayed to Q3 at the earliest. GPU returns are much higher than ASICs.

I was thinking of getting into ASIC mining, too, until I realized I would have to rent a small warehouse. Even then, the 100-150 kW of power capacity would only be enough to run 30-40 T19's. It would take 4-6 months to have the utility upgrade the power supply to 500 kW, and that could cost tens of thousands of dollars.

So now I'm considering trying to start it as a GPU warehouse, then converting to ASIC right before PoS. I have much more experience in GPU mining after all.
384  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: BTC mining on raspberry pi zero (running on solar power) on: April 19, 2022, 03:42:35 PM
You're probably better off mining Monero or another CPU coin, but payback will take 5-10 years.
385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Gpus temperature. on: April 19, 2022, 03:24:32 PM
But the downwards temperature is not the core temperature, but the junction one or the memory one, i read from other sources on the web.
The core temperature is good, that is 45°.
Are you sure that also the second temperature showed downwards, must be kept below 70°?
I read that the GDDR6X vram gpus works at higher temperatures and values between 80-85 should be acceptable for mining 24/7.
In gaming the GDDR6X vram rises to 100° about, but that is not 24/7 so can be good.
Can someone who mines with these gpus, give me a confirmation?
Thanks.
You are absolutely correct that the reported 'core temperature' isn't the whole picture. The VRAM can get much hotter than that. The worst I've seen is my XFX R9 290 where the core was 80° but the VRAM was 132°. This is especially true on the RTX 3000 GDDR6X series. But thankfully, VRAM temp can now be reported in Linux.

On average for my RTX 3080's/3080 Ti, the memory was 30-40° hotter than the core. The card will throttle if temp goes > 110°, but ideally, you should stay under 100°.

Other than that, I've used hundreds of video cards. As long as they don't use GDDR6X, all you need to worry about is the core temperature. Stay under 70 degrees, and if you can't, reduce power usage so you stay < 80. It's always better to increase fan speed; fans are cheap to replace.
386  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sales Tax on Hashrate / Timeshare Selling on: April 19, 2022, 03:11:20 PM
There are services that are out there that will do as little as sell you lists of locations and rates to others that will integrate with your billing & CRM software and add the appropriate tax to the invoices and then send it to the proper agencies at of the states. It just depends on how much you want to pay for what features.
It's usually worth paying for these accounting platforms, such as Bitwave. I would write a few lines of code to integrate Bitwave with the CRM/ticketing system, Minerstat, mining pool sites, the exchange, and the wallet API for payouts. Not to mention the ERCOT API with Hiveon / BraiinsOS / nvidia-smi for power management.
387  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Gpus temperature. on: April 19, 2022, 05:48:40 AM
85 degrees is too high. It will reduce the lifespan of your video cards by 1-2 years.

I recommend staying below 70 degrees. There will be no benefit below that. The most important factor is that you reduce heating/cooling cycles, which destroys the silicon the fastest.
388  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Whatsminer M20S reliability on: April 18, 2022, 12:24:25 AM
According to ASICminervalue it would take more than 3 years before you reach the ROI
I did look at ASICminervalue.com. It says profit would be $7.25/day at 6 cents, which would be a 469 day payback time (static diff/price).

the whatsminer m20s need temps a bit lower than bitmain does.

My whatsminers are pretty much dead.

2x 20s
1x 21s
1x 10

only one left is a m10 it keeps on working.

Based on my limited amount of use with them I would not get them.
Good point, I would be mining in a hot climate. Even though the M20S is rated for 40° C, the heat may cause them to break.

I would get the s19's and bite the bullet. just buy a few less than planned

ie if you can get 10 get 5 or 6

Mine with your 5 or 6 hope for a better price down the road.

You have some stored cash and you are mining with the 5 or 6 you got.
Well, in that case I would rather not start a warehouse. I would just use colocation for 9-10 cents or even host them in the garage for 8-9 cents.
389  Bitcoin / Hardware / Whatsminer M20S reliability on: April 17, 2022, 08:59:53 PM
I'm considering buying used MicroBT Whatsminer M20S ASICs for a new farm. The electricity price is 6.5 cents.

Is this a good choice if I can buy them for $3400-3500 each? I've heard that Whatsminer is generally a reliable brand.

The other models I have looked at are the Antminer T19 (new) and the Avalon 1126 Pro (used). I don't like the S19 series because they are too expensive per TH, and my power cost will likely go down to 5.5 cents or lower after the summer.

I don't want to buy anything less efficient than 55W/TH because they are higher risk, and I'll probably have a limited amount of power capacity available for the first 5-6 months.

I believe BTC price can fall to as low as $25k this year, but it will most likely stay flat at $40-50k. Any recommendations?
390  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: IBM Powersupply breakout boards on: April 17, 2022, 08:41:38 PM
Yes, it looks like I can find them, at least in the U.S.

Breakout board (fits 2 PSUs): $13 each

PCIe power cables: $19 for 10

IBM 94Y8118 900W 80+ Platinum supply: $20 each. Make sure you specifically buy the '94Y8118' version manufactured by Emerson, because it has the highest efficiency.

It looks like you can get 1800w of power for $72 in total at Platinum, which isn't a bad deal at just $40/kW. But I would only run 1500w through the breakout board, just to be on the safe side.

If you went with the 80+ Gold HP DPS-750RB, that would cost $47 for 750w of power. That's $63/kW.

So IBM is clearly a better deal, especially after you consider the $8-9/kW of savings every year from the increased efficiency.
391  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitcoin Mining using Solar 3.0 on: April 17, 2022, 03:17:02 AM
I don't trust these 'new technology' press release articles. It usually takes years to refine the technology for mass production. Just because some laboratory at some university can produce 1 solar cell doesn't mean it is even close to being ready for the mainstream market, let alone mining farms. What is important today are trapped power sources like hydroelectricity, flared oil wells or imbalanced energy markets.
392  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sales Tax on Hashrate / Timeshare Selling on: April 17, 2022, 03:05:10 AM

Oh, I didn't know Texas is one of the states that taxes cloud hosting.

But I don't think this applies to your situation, since the guidance states that "Settling of electronic payment transactions by certain entities" are not taxable. I couldn't find anything specifically declaring that crypto mining services are taxable, so you could default to not levying tax as long as your accountant agrees.

There's probably a way you could make it work, such as taking wallet addresses from customers and having the pool mine directly to their wallet.

So is this sub-corporation issuing securities?
I don't think so, since it would be an S-corporation or LLC with just one shareholder, and the shares are not being publicly sold. The sub-corp wouldn't even have to issue more shares for more investment. The customer could simply write a check to the sub-corp, which I'll then use to buy more equipment. No stock or securities transactions involved here since they already own 100%.

But like I said, I'll talk to an attorney. I don't care what the structure is, as long as the customer can take the depreciation (since I have no use for it) and the parent corp is the exclusive hosting provider.
393  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitcoin Mining using Solar 3.0 on: April 15, 2022, 03:43:33 PM
It would only work if the rate of return on the solar panels is higher than on just buying ASICs and running them on the grid at 5¢/kWh. I don't think that's true, even close to the equator.

Solar farms with current technology take 5 - 10 years to pay for themselves, compared to 1-1.5 years for an ASIC miner. Even though that's a decent return, why not just buy more miners instead?

The new solar cell technology will need to be at least 5x cheaper per watt in order to be viable for mining. It still has to compete with hydropower, which is currently the cheapest, most reliable source of all.
394  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sales Tax on Hashrate / Timeshare Selling on: April 15, 2022, 03:09:05 PM
I don't think services are taxable in most U.S. states. You're probably providing a service, not a good. If not, then try structuring your business so it's obviously a service.

Think of it like a cloud hosting provider. I've never paid sales tax on VPS hosting even from providers based in the U.S., even though both parties live in states with a sales tax.

Worst case, tell your customers to provide reseller certificates so that they pay the tax 12-15 months later instead of today. Hopefully they'll make a return on the extra 5-10% of hashrate they can buy, you get 5-10% more revenue, and the sales tax owed is diluted 10% by inflation.

Personally my business model will not be to sell hashrate or mining contracts. I would set up a new corporation for the customer so the full tax benefits of depreciation pass through to them. The customer would be a non-voting 100% owner of that corp. My parent company would charge the mini-corp a fixed $/kWh rent rate or something + a setup fee. Whatever profit is left is paid out to them as a distribution every month or so. Still need to talk to a lawyer to make sure this is a sound idea.

This also gives them a powerful incentive to re-invest that distribution into more shares (a.k.a. more equipment), in order to keep Uncle Sam away and not pay 22%-37% the next year. If they want to quit and liquidate, they owe 22-37% from depreciation recapture. That's one way to retain customers without forcing them into 12+ month contracts.
395  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Any large mining farms in the U.S. using real-time or day ahead power pricing? on: April 14, 2022, 03:47:32 PM
Update:

I realized it would be a bad idea to buy very old ASICs, because not only will they break, but because the cost of building that capacity is too high. It makes no sense to buy an Antminer S9 for $280 if the buildout cost (electric + ventilation) is $200/kW. The newest gen is also a bad idea, because it's harder to insure and I risk more capital per terahash.

The T17 or S17 seem to be better choices. They have reasonable efficiency while I can still take advantage of changes in the energy index.

I wrote code to analyze ERCOT rates for the past 30 days. For the T17, the all-in rate would be 6.72¢ with 100% uptime, or 6.08¢ with 95% uptime. That comes out to 3-6% more profit on average by powering down during peak prices.

Once I can get rid of the pesky sales tax and buy transformers instead of using ONCOR's secondary service, the rates would be 5.7¢ for 100% uptime, or 5.13¢ for 95% uptime.

Of course, these rates would be 1-1.5¢ higher during the summer. There is no way to avoid that.
396  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: mining with a generator on: April 14, 2022, 03:23:46 PM
When using a dual power supply, you cannot use the voltage sides of the power supply, such as -12v, +5v, +3.3V. In this case, it means that you are not really using the power supply that you purchased at the apparent power. However, you use the + 12v line and the power it gives you. When buying a power supply, also pay attention to how many outputs the +12v side has.  If there are two separate lines, the system will not work decisively if you do not distribute them evenly between the GPUs.
You mean power supplies with multiple rails? This is why I prefer PSUs with one huge single 12V rail instead of those with multiple 12V rails. Server supplies are good because they usually have just one beefy rail.

At the very least, the number of rails needs to match the number of video cards. Let's say I have a 1400w PSU with 4 12v rails @ 30A each. I can either power one RTX 3080 Ti on each rail (4 cards total), or two RTX 3060's on each rail (8 cards total). I would not use RTX 3070's unless they are downclocked to RTX 3060 levels.

I'm not worried about this problem with ASICs, since I just use Bitmain or server PSUs.
397  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: mining with a generator on: April 13, 2022, 02:07:50 AM

  i was watching this generator, is not available to buy yet but seems like an interesting concept and could be used for mining purposes i guess

https://infinitysav.com/magneticgenerator/
Here we ago, another 'free energy' scam device...
398  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How a massive untapped source of energy could save the world. on: April 13, 2022, 01:55:23 AM
The physics behind this idea have been known for over 200 years. If it were possible to generate lots of power cheaper than existing sources, somebody would've tried it by now. It would probably cost trillions of dollars to build a bunch of flywheels that had enough mass to generate even 1 megawatt.

It's probably a better idea to build more hydroelectric dams, or make nuclear power cheaper.
399  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Experienced GPU miner thinking about starting an ASIC farm; what should I know? on: April 12, 2022, 02:39:00 PM
This one in particular is interesting, I have noticed it before, I believe the exemptions is for manufacturing business and was not sure if mining could fit in that category. As far as the "larger-scale" requirement, I do not remember seeing anywhere a size / scale requirement, any more info on that or what exactly constitutes large enough to get that exemption?
It looks like the customer needs to go through a long process:

https://electricityplans.com/electricity-sales-tax-exemption/

Probably only worth the time/expense for farms larger larger 1 MW. The extra 8% probably comes out to 2-4% less profit.

Dont get me wrong you can still make good money but not coin, mining BTC with asic's.
90% of BTC is mined whereas retail investors are getting penciled out, and the rest are fighting for the last 10% while difficulty is all time high.
Thes best bet right now is to simply buy the coin, by time the next price movement happens difficulty will no doubt increase making it all the much more difficult to obtain.
I agree that ASIC mining, especially SHA-256 mining, is a very competitive industry. I already know that a small operation can't compete on SHA-256 in the long run. The ASICs are a means to an end. Power consumption needs to be shored up at first to get good electric rates.

My end goal is to sell SaaS, consulting services, GPU colocation, speculative GPU/CPU hosting, etc. These are products that I think Coinfarm can actually compete on, and I have way more experience mining small coins.
400  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: bad time or good time to buy asic miner on: April 08, 2022, 08:39:59 PM
Yup I got them.  they turn on and hash as expected, noise levels are what I am expecting, no drops that i have seen so far.

I think the guy thought they were "computers".  he was not sure Smiley
Nice! There are definitely opportunities that pop up from time to time to buy equipment at below-market prices. That's why I prefer slowly building up more equipment over time, instead of buying it all at once. I also like ordering 1 unit of a GPU/ASIC first to learn how it works, then doing a bulk order.
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