Guys what's up with Bitfinex not rebranding to Dash?
Agreed... over a month when they keep saying soon. It's not that hard to find and replace. I actually see it as a good thing that they have been hesitant to update. A heavyweight juggernaut that trades up to $50 million a day is known for its stability and reliability, and will probably not make changes until they are evaluated, reviewed, and deemed absolutely necessary. Even if it may be technically easy for them, they still need to keep up appearances for the sake of trader confidence. Being extremely amenable to every whimsical request is an attribute of a small exchange that is struggling for volume. Umm... they've known weeks in advance about the pending name change. Your logic doesn't work here. I'm just saying that from their perspective, they probably want to maintain an appearance of stability in the eyes of their BTC customers, many of whom keep large sums of money on the exchange to provide liquidity for margin trading. Don't get me wrong, I want them to change to Dash soon too. I'm just saying I can understand why they wouldn't want to do it right away. Not changing it over 6-8 weeks (only officially for about a 4-5 weeks) is lazy. Their trading engine shouldn't break from doing a find and replace. It's not something you should feel the need to defend. It's sloppy at this point. DRK no longer exists... it hasn't since mid-March. I agree with Bridgewater. They are attempting to demonstrate stability and order within a realm of considerable risk (crypto exchanges and customers having their funds stored on them). While for us we all expect everyone to use the term Dash immediately, an exchange like that may take some time because they're planning the change-over at a point with other alterations to their interface. If you look at their set up, they pair BTCUSD, LTCUSD, LTCBTC, DRKUSD, DRKBTC. It's not just a 'find and replace' exercise because the screen real estate has been configured to handle these pairs as six letter entries and that extends through to the wallets, order book, reporting and numerous other areas of the site that carry this XXXYYY format. Now with Dash all those points where a six letter identifier exists have to be changed to seven letters. I'm guessing they're working on a version 2 of their interface and will be incorporating the change to Dash in that release. I don't think we should be too worried. I'm glad we have them and have been using them extensively recently. |
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Hey everyone,
As you can see I've been working hard since this launched, usually 16-18 hours a day. I've done nothing else.
I released 3 big things yesterday - social network announcement, anonymous transactions, but the market wants to do it its thing.
Today I'm going to take 8 hours off and spend time with the fiancee. I'll be back working hard tonight and get a better roadmap done soon also, the website wasn't well received.
TRON is strong, but the market wants some time to breathe. Trade well!
Regarding the website not being well received ( http://command.positroncrypto.com/) I actually think it's pretty cool. I generally don't like websites that play sounds like that when you first hit them as it can be a bit annoying but that's actually quite a bit of fun and in keeping with the overall theme (and I know you've mentioned the front graphic intro may only be there temporarily but I think it adds to nature of what you're doing quite well). And the content on the site is good. Having all that information on one page easily accessible is really great. |
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whre is pool tron coin?
I know the standard of written expression is very poor on Internet forums like this one, but couldn't you have put just a tiny bit more effort in to ask a question that actually makes sense? If you're wanting to know what pool you can mine at the PoW mining period is over (finished at block 3400). You can stake rewards in the wallet though if you have coins. (If you're wanting to know about a crypto called "pool tron" I don't what you're talking about) |
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price up to 4750, awhh yeahhh
Yep, and also the network weight is up to 31k again.  Wrong thread on that price  My bad was talking about ntrn. Too many tabs! I was going to say "What are you blokes talking about?!" Price has been in the 52-55K territory for at least the past 30 minutes and network weight is more like 310K (not 31K). |
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I need some feedback from the community.
Would you all prefer to see work-in-progress betas sooner, or wait longer to be presented the finished and 100% polished product?
I'd prefer to show more work in progress, thats why I ask. It helps me when users test and abuse things. Anon test will be released later today, and I'd like to start testing the social network sooner than the time announced on the website, and some of our trading tools.
Thanks!
< I would like to see work in progress betas sooner because we can get a grasp of what you are working on , maybe give oppinion / advice etc. OK, we will do so Response here and in chats has been all for showing work sooner. You really MUST involve the community fully in testing. This is one area where Darkcoin/Dash really shines as they have a very extensive test-net where hundreds of community members try new features and capabilities with large amount of tDash (i.e. test Dash that's of no value but distributed via test faucets to enable everyone involved in testing to get as much as they need to run the updates in as close to real-world conditions as possible). The rectification and optimisation of code happens way before new functions are released onto main-net (but even then problems get through). Without this the dramas and chaos can be overwhelming. It's part of the reason why Dash is as successful and has the market cap it does. Are you considering creating a test-net? Yes, I am. The test net would come with the release of masternodes in the future. Also, the 9% POS is not final, I intend that to be modified with input from the community. Perhaps lower it, but people who stake TRON longer after a set date will receive more %. Community testing is a big part of the TRON social network, and we will push out a beta version of this much sooner than the public release date on the website. Oh great. That sounds [Simpson's Mr Burns] Excellent! [/Simpson's Mr Burns] |
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I need some feedback from the community.
Would you all prefer to see work-in-progress betas sooner, or wait longer to be presented the finished and 100% polished product?
I'd prefer to show more work in progress, thats why I ask. It helps me when users test and abuse things. Anon test will be released later today, and I'd like to start testing the social network sooner than the time announced on the website, and some of our trading tools.
Thanks!
< I would like to see work in progress betas sooner because we can get a grasp of what you are working on , maybe give oppinion / advice etc. OK, we will do so Response here and in chats has been all for showing work sooner. You really MUST involve the community fully in testing. This is one area where Darkcoin/Dash really shines as they have a very extensive test-net where hundreds of community members try new features and capabilities with large amount of tDash (i.e. test Dash that's of no value but distributed via test faucets to enable everyone involved in testing to get as much as they need to run the updates in as close to real-world conditions as possible). The rectification and optimisation of code happens way before new functions are released onto main-net (but even then problems get through). Without this the dramas and chaos can be overwhelming. It's part of the reason why Dash is as successful and has the market cap it does. Are you considering creating a test-net? |
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So otoh and instaminers get all the votes? Your centralizing your system even more.
Why should it be any other way ? I think what Evan's put forward is certainly profound and the ramifications for use of blockchain technology in this way are revolutionary. I too though am concerned by some aspects of how voting like this might actually play out in practise. I just posted this on DCT: Quite a brilliant plan Evan, with the potential to transform the entire way we think about decision making and organisational management. One area that I'm keen to hear yours and other people's views on, is how an approach like this will handle the fact that, unlike say elections of politicians where one vote supposedly has one value (i.e. a wealthy person's vote is equivalent to the vote of a lower socio-economic voter), the power of the vote within a consensus mechanism like this is very much skewed towards those with large masternode numbers. This is in effect no different to shareholder voting within publicly listed companies where large shareholder groups can heavily influence board proposals, even to the point of voting for individuals to be appointed or removed from boards or dramatic mergers and acquisitions agreed to that may be detrimental to smaller shareholders. Within the voting rights for shareholders it's seen as "he or she that has the highest risk exposure by investing in the stock should therefore have the greatest voting rights" and this is certainly valid to a degree.Where it starts to fall down is when voting is facilitating greater and greater levels of monopolistic control (i.e. "the rich get richer"). Although crypto by default tends to negate some aspects of this, I'm expecting there will still be many ways large masternode holders could end up with substantial "political" weight to influence support for proposals that bring them even greater influence. Somewhat of a can of worms I'm opening here, but I think this aspect needs to be discussed (certainly prior to a "masternode vote many yay" command gets introduced!) |
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AdamWhite is a paid troll so no rhythm or reasoning will do anything to stop his FUD campaign. Even if Evan were to come in here and "clear the air" he'd still bring up insta-scam, reference node, i need to help noobs etc. Its best if we all just put it on ignore and move on guys.
The trolls will be moving onto BCN soon anyways.
AdamWhite combating Instamine bottle in his garden :   Oh gosh that's hilarious! |
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Huge BTC volume spike in the last couple of hours.
Somebody got impatient waiting for the crash. Stamp straight to 235.
Close to 4000 BTC in one 3 min period on Bitfinex. Extraordinary. |
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A whole lot of clarity needs to be provided on what Positron is, what it's for and what its future purpose is. At the moment what we have is all the makings of a classic P&D that may not even 'P' any further. With such incredibly high staking rewards at the moment, large portions of Tron are tied up in people's wallets and the inflation is very high. People are enamoured and thrilled with the "free money" they're currently getting.
But nothing comes for free; there's always a cost somewhere to be borne by someone. At some point many people (likely on the same day at almost the same time....and we could be but hours away from it) are all going to want to convert large portions (or all) of their Tron to BTC to realise their "free" money. And when that moment comes there's likely to be a crash of unprecedented sudden vertical descent.
That's what everyone's signed up for so people need to think and be realistic.
I agree with you, I'm not in here telling people to hold for moon. I think something like 40 BTC in tron today was minted in POS, so of course the price came down a bit. What I'm working on is basically a startup accelerator for cryptocurrencies. I've been doing it already, but quietly. Now I want a community and investors to become part of the decision for which *legit* projects will be supported. We'll help those people develop their cryptocurrency ideas. If you are a TRON holder or devote some time to working on TRON projects or TRON itself every week, you will be part of the company and know which projects we work on, ARCH style. I get good ideas about crypto in PM almost every day now, people are excited about this. Right now I'm just working to build TRON up before I help anyone else. Please take a look at the ANN. I'm going to post this in the ANN. If that bothers you, I'll remove it, Renegade. I'm also a cynic, but I believe in this. Happy for you to post it and I think it's a good idea for the dev to remind everyone of the reality of the risk profile. It's exciting investing in something like Positron and I've been enjoying seeing the 100 Tron staking payments coming into my wallet as much as the next person, but we all need to be realistic about how fickle and unstable is this realm and how many more losers there are for every person that wins. It's just the way it works. |
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Much bagtech many holders.
Much panicbuying when this pops 100k later on.. Maybe. A whole lot of clarity needs to be provided on what Positron is, what it's for and what its future purpose is. At the moment what we have is all the makings of a classic P&D that may not even 'P' any further. With such incredibly high staking rewards at the moment, large portions of Tron are tied up in people's wallets and the inflation is very high. People are enamoured and thrilled with the "free money" they're currently getting. But nothing comes for free; there's always a cost somewhere to be borne by someone. At some point many people (likely on the same day at almost the same time....and we could be but hours away from it) are all going to want to convert large portions (or all) of their Tron to BTC to realise their "free" money. And when that moment comes there's likely to be a crash of unprecedented sudden vertical descent. That's what everyone's signed up for so people need to think and be realistic. |
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Someone just posted this on another thread I'm following. It's (sort of) an "investing 101 in today's ponzi market" guide. Very funny I think! https://youtu.be/0akBdQa55b4 |
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Mmm.... You're really starting to worry me. The essence of these projects is that they're open source and, should the worst occur and the dev either quits, disappears or is run over by a bus, the community can step forward, ensure some level of continuity and shore up everyone's investment. If this is just "(your) baby" and the code's in your personal github account, what does that mean in terms of continuity if you're suddenly not around? I understand that you're investing your all in this and going all out to make this work, but you need to build a team if you're to have any hope of this thing lasting. You can't do it all. You need people to assist you on many many levels yet you're talking about having some paid-for help (which is a very fast way to run out of funds) but not voluntary help from a team you're looking to build. This is sounding more and more like a one man (who's rapidly becoming swamped) show. Unsustainable. |
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It's sad to see the trolls ruining our community. This thread should have been moderated ages ago. I've been following the thread for over 3,000 pages now, and I've seen a lot of really good discussion. Over the last hundred or so pages, all I see is trolling, quoting the trolls, commenting on the trolls, and ignore lists.
I've tried twice now to ask a substantive question with no response. It seems that nobody is interested in talking about anything useful or relevant anymore. I'm sad to see things become this way.
I understand your frustration. If we had a moderated thread on BCT I think we'd be doing ourselves a disservice. Most moderated threads are intolerant of anyone criticizing their project and hence the project then takes on a dubious nature of it being highly censored. That's not an attribute I'd like to see Dash carry. For serious conversation of course we have https://dashtalk.org/ (and thank goodness for that) but this open thread here on BCT serves a useful purpose in attracting people that are interested in Dash and will use it to find out some basics. The fact that it also attracts legions of naysayers and trolls is unfortunate but just part of the deal. I think most people who have any basic understanding of how forums like this on the Internet work will see the extraordinary amount of troll traffic and immediately think "mmm, must be something of substance here to be under this much attack". It's the same for forums from all different realms even totally unrelated to crypto or investing; when they're popular like this one they attract the worst of the worst people. They also showcase the best of the best when it comes to many of the serious community members on here who continue with their work unaffected by these sad individuals who have absolutely nothing to offer except to try and take-down something that they perceive as a terrible threat to their well being. So I like this thread, and the large volume of troll posts just goes to show how well Dash is doing. Now, please forgive me for having missed it but what was your question or discussion point that no one's responding to? |
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iCESHITTER you'd have to be one of the most pedantic, pathetic and oh-so-lame embarrassments to trolling yet. I don't normally speak like this but for you I'm going to make an exception. Can you do everyone a favour and just like STICK YOUR FUCKING STUPID HEAD UP A DEAD BEARS BUM UNTIL YOU CAN'T BREATH ANYMORE! Are you Canadian? It's just the creativity......... Aussie. A long way from Canada Tante, but our mindsets are often similar (although our bears are much smaller which in some way makes my suggestion all the more disturbing....) |
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iCESHITTER you'd have to be one of the most pedantic, pathetic and oh-so-lame embarrassments to trolling yet. I don't normally speak like this but for you I'm going to make an exception. Can you do everyone a favour and just like STICK YOUR FUCKING STUPID HEAD UP A DEAD BEARS BUM UNTIL YOU CAN'T BREATH ANYMORE! |
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I feel the same way  One should realise that you are getting these bonus rewards but the price of Tron is (mostly) being held up by everyone's expectation of a massive pump. During this dynamic PoS period the monetary supply is increasing dramatically (it makes what the Fed's done with QE frankly look like a sunday school picnic). That's no problem if more and more people start buying Tron, there's a clear roadmap that has people enthused and the potential for future adoption that will increase the asset's base is strong. Where all these additional coins will be as useful as if you'd just photoshopped your wallet with a big balance to make yourself feel better is when everyone decides to leave at the same time. And (unfortunately) this has all the hall marks of it. |
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I'll fix this wallet confusion and any mistakes in the ANN this morning... sorry for all that, I'm better rested now.
Can you consider making PoS at block 21,000+ , something like 10 coins per block instead of the 9% per year? So the masternode payments and staking payments can be good. If the masternode payments aren't good then few people will make them. Its better to make the masternodes payments good so alot of people would want to make masternodes. Goodness, the naivety being expressed in this thread is alarming. You don't just go and change the PoS rewards structure at the drop of a hat. People have invested based on what's been published and put forward as this coin's fundamentals. If the dev just choooses to alter things willy nilly, the basis upon which investors have chosen to enter this crypto have substantially changed. I for one will leave immediately if a change this important to the monetary structure of this currency was just introduced based on someone's 'wishful thinking' post. |
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