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381  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can Anyone +18 Play Gamble? on: April 13, 2024, 01:40:39 AM
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I don't think so if casino only accept for those who have already experience in gambling. Also that casino is made for income so once a newbie play with them so there's a chance that the casino will earn more unless those newbies is too lucky but if not then like what I said that newbie will loss and the casino will earn a lot of money. Also there are many gamblers who want to play so the bouncer of that casino will let all those people who want to play in their casino.

In the end it doesn't really matter if the player is skilled or new.

Every game is an independent instance of a gambling event.

That's pretty much it.

And every game has a lower chance to win than losing.
382  Other / Off-topic / Re: How can we help beginners not to get addicted on: April 13, 2024, 01:38:24 AM
The whole question is what attracted a person to gambling - the desire to earn money or the desire to have fun. If the former, then the probability of addiction is very high, because the beginner will try to earn something (and then it often turns into an unrestrained desire to win back). If the latter, it is easier. It is enough to offer an equivalent substitute in terms of emotions and andrenaline

Yeah, it is basically trying to reach for an ever out of range carrot.

Addicted gamblers will think they will win if they play just one more time.

Same as alcoholics, just one more drink. It's similar behavior.
383  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: April 13, 2024, 01:34:39 AM
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some people will be able to draw a line sooner or later and then respect their limits
but those who can't are slowly (or sometimes fast) walking in the direction of ruin
that's really sad to see, true. these people need help, nobody should take a loan to gamble and gamble more than they can afford to lose

Yeah, that's the art of gambling. Same with other vices like alcohol.

People that do these things need to know when to stop. Otherwise the vice takes their lives in the end.
384  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Get one btc right away or 5 btc with a bet? on: April 13, 2024, 01:32:53 AM
I would take th BTC right away. Nothing to take into consideration, 1btc is enough to multiply another one, as Gambling is a game of uncertainty I won't want to trade such a valuable asset because of gambling. I know one might win by chance but won't be sustainable as you might want to risk more, damn no one gambles with an asset.

Yeah, one Bitcoin is a large enough amount that would make it a nice sum.

If it is riskier to get more then it doesn't really matter too much as 1 btc might be already enough.
385  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rich or poor gambler, who should risk more? on: April 11, 2024, 08:44:24 AM
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       -    or in another example, a running race, in order for you to win and get the trophy and be called the champion, you must first defeat or outrun your opponents who will also be running in the field.

and it's not easy to do that because you have to run faster than them and to do that you have to go through training... this is the risk you have to face.

A race is not comparable at all with a gambling game.

In a race you only need to be faster than the other competitors. You might even be lucky and win because the others fell.

For example, Australian speed skater Steven Bradbury won the Olympic gold in the 2002 Winter Games by simply not falling because he was the last one, far away from all the other skaters who fell:



Whereas in a gambling game, your outcome is always defined by luck. It doesn't matter if everyone else in the casino lost their money, that's independent of your game.
386  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does gambling excites you ? on: April 11, 2024, 08:38:33 AM
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Every gambler definitely hopes to win, but if they have a lot of money they don't care about it because gambling is only for fun and seeking happiness. But if people are rich or have a lot of money, they still hope to win, because the essence of gambling is to win.

Therefore, the main aim of gambling is to win. Maybe tell me that every person who gambles and intends to seek pleasure and then have fun with it so that they can become addicted, it's all because they are too excited, and addiction doesn't know whether rich or poor.

Yeah, but the thing is that there is a concept called opportunity cost.

A rich person will have to stop doing something else to go and gamble.

They could be making money in another business, and they would be losing that if they went to gamble instead.

So, in a way, I reckon most rich people don't gamble to win money. Maybe some do it a bit for entertainment though.
387  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When you are not to gamble. on: April 11, 2024, 08:36:19 AM
Gambling can be an exciting and entertaining activity, but it’s essential to know when to exercise caution, like:

Avoid Gambling While Intoxicated, whether you’re celebrating with friends or enjoying a night out, refrain from gambling when under the influence of alcohol or other substances. Intoxication can impair your decision-making abilities, leading to risky behaviour.

I think every person must have self control, and they should be able to see when gambling is causing problems.

Some people are completely sober and still manage to lose all their life savings by gambling.

It really depends on the person.
388  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Claw Machines: a category of gambling? on: April 11, 2024, 08:35:23 AM
Well, technically they are, as they have designed to be work around for gambling regulations. Regulations on those can vary a lot, and so do the prices. I would assume that even owners of claw machines can't keep up with rapidly developed laws around them, as it's not too long ago as i saw i phones as price as a part of a carnival, that was passing by. And obviously drunk poor people saw that as an opportunity to show of their skills. These days that would get them charges on fraud because i am certain there are price limits for prizes on them.

Personally i don't see them as gambling because they are proven to be rigged many times, so i would classify them as scams.

Yeah, maybe. I actually see them more closely related to scams than gambling like you said...

But I wouldn't say they are a scam, because you can in theory win the prize. It's just very unlikely.

But it's also not gambling because even though it is unlikely, it is not random. It's just a very difficult thing to do.
389  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Where is the fun when you lose your money? on: April 11, 2024, 08:33:33 AM
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Gambling as a source of income never makes sense anyway, I mean we are talking about something that will statistically and mathematically make you lose money 100% guaranteed. Doesn't matter if you win big, if you keep gambling then you will lose. Source of income suggests you are thinking of it as a job, and that means we are talking about something that will be done for many years, even decades.

So, it doesn't matter if you put up 50 cents and win a million dollars, because if you want to keep going, eventually you will lose that million dollars too, you have to get out to make that money and getting out means that it is not source of income, it would be saying like lottery is a source of your income, it is not, it is just luck for once and that's one in a trillion chance.

Yeah, if anything it would be a one-off that makes you a millionaire. Very different to have a steady pay check every month like you have in a job.

So, I don't really know why people think of gambling as a job, or income making. It could be just a fantasy I guess.

But there are jobs related to gambling that do pay an income, like the influencers that show videos about it, etc. But that's not really gambling, that's more like advertisements.
390  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Claw Machines: a category of gambling? on: April 10, 2024, 09:08:19 AM
i think that the claw machine is a type of gambling, because you bet a certain amount of money to be able to move the machine to get various prizes in it. but some people say it is a game based on skill, others say it is luck. personally, i would say it is both, because each machine can be different depending on the developer. there are machines that can be easily moved and get prizes if we understand the tricks, but there are also machines that are quite difficult to get prizes in. so it can vary depending on the machine.

I see a claw machine as some kind of entertainment, as in playing in those games at carnivals.

Having a look at wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_game) it shows that there are actually two types of these games, one that is skilled based, and one that is chance based. In the latter case then it would be similar to gambling.

Interesting.
391  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: April 10, 2024, 09:05:28 AM
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You're right. But have you observed that most of the people who are most likely to get addicted to gambling are those who are unemployed?
Those who are unemployed are the ones who mostly views gambling as a source of income and a way for them to make some some money in order to fund their daily needs. And we're very much aware that those who view gambling as an only source of income are the ones that are more likely to get addicted than people who already have jobs.

Employed folks who gamble would either view gambling as an alternate source of income or just strictly as a way to have fun and relieve stress and these set of people rarely suffer from addiction.

Interesting.

I would have never guessed so.

In my mind I think that the most common type of gambler is the one that has a low paying job, and goes gambling to try to escape that rat race as they don't see any other way out.

If they are unemployed, then I don't know where they would get the money to gamble with.
392  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When you are not to gamble. on: April 10, 2024, 09:03:58 AM
Health factors and financial needs will be made by gamblers not to gamble because these two factors are very influential in their relationship to gambling, namely when someone is sick, they have to rest and restore their health so they can return to their activities again and when someone is confused or unsteady financial problems, then he must prioritize the needs that are beneficial to him first because that is the most important thing in his own life.

Yeah, that is so true.

After a while people get so used to gambling that not doing it seems so unnatural to them.

In the end, the addiction that makes you feel "normal" is the most difficult to get rid of.
393  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: April 10, 2024, 09:02:43 AM
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I think that having this feeling of missing out, or going like "wow that was for just a little" like when you team misses a goal, is one thing
but being grumpy and sad or angry about it, and putting everyone around us in a bad mood because of our feelings is a different thing
many levels of complaining maybe

I agree that losing makes us appreciate winning more, the same way as sad makes us appreciate happiness more too

Yeah, at the end of the day it is our own responsibility to stop before it's too late.

Many people get frustrated when they lose and start blaming anyone else but themselves.

I think it's fair to say that the behavior you are describing is the most popular. It's not a good one though.
394  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not place to make money is place to lose it? on: April 10, 2024, 08:57:45 AM
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Most people will lose their money. Only a small few that are very lucky or they are professional gamblers (poker, sports..) can win money.

Yeah, that's basically the hard reality. But casinos are usually very good at convincing people otherwise.

It's a bit similar to alcohol, their ads is just having a great time. With gambling it's basically being rich.

Then the reality hits back to the addicts.
395  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: April 09, 2024, 08:01:36 AM
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Indeed, different people have their own perspective or preferences of what fun and excitement is all about.
For some, it could be engaging in friendly arguments or conversation with colleagues at work, some would consider going on Facebook to look at their newsfeed and some would rather log in to their online gambling site to make a few bets. So it's just simply a matter of preference.

Yeah, absolutely.

The main thing to consider though is that there is a considerable amount of people that might get addicted to gambling, so in that case it might be a bit different to, say, chatting with coworkers.

But yeah, as long as the activity is under control, and it doesn't affect the rest of the day, then gambling at work is no different than social media scrolling, which can also be an addiction to some people by the way...
396  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe in gambling experts predictions? on: April 09, 2024, 07:58:31 AM
I only believe in a few opinions from others, but I don’t strongly believe that someone can be expert to me in a gambling prediction because the person is just telling you he’s all her opinion and what the person has, so not just from your own side all you need to do is take the advice and look into what the person advise you to do Check if you think it’s right sometimes it may look right, but do whatever you think is right to your own self don’t just stack huge amount of money because you think someone is an expert. The person may not even be gambling with his own money he is just working around, looking for someone to waste money  And to test what he has predicted if he is right

In some cases it might be more than just an opinion.

For example someone saying the chance of getting a six on a dice roll is one out of six is basically true. Not an opinion, but a fact.

Now, if they say "the next roll will be a six", then yeah, that's just BS.
397  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rich or poor gambler, who should risk more? on: April 09, 2024, 07:57:10 AM
All risk is risk, it’s just depend on the amount you are putting in because of your level of standard well because rich people usually put big amounts to the standard and if they lose, it will also affect them because they know the amount they have put in poor people in gambling. Also have a room on putting the amount of money they can to the standard if they also lose it to affect them such as how it will affect the rich man, if you are rich or poor, doesn’t make you to have less consign on knowing the risk, and if you are rich, that doesn’t make you too risk more because you wouldn’t put small amounts like the poor, you will stack  a high standard of cash so everyone should be careful and do the writing in gambling to avoid story that touches the heart

Life is full of risks, but the key is to differentiate between risk and reward.

For example, many people cross the street every day because the risk of dying is low and the reward of getting where you want is high.

In casinos the perceived reward sometimes might be higher than reality, and the perceived risk might be seen as way lower than what it really is.

That's part of the casinos business, to make it look better than what it is.
398  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever done something crazy to bet? on: April 09, 2024, 07:55:17 AM
Yes, when growing up, I usually see a lot of older people gambling with Card and setting money to make everyone put in their best and seriousness, one of the things that I do notice is that some people with a particular amount of cash, and they will start setting the money, putting the money in money, putting in money down to zero and finally at the end, they go home with nothing ending up, losing all the money they came with that is wanting about doing things and gambling which I don’t really like it is always good to have a particular amount that you need to gamble with not just running yourself dry just because you want to gamble.

That is bad, but what I personally think is way worse is what happens next.

Instead of going home, some gamblers would go to the ATM and grab some fresh cash to try to win their losses back.

Big mistake as the most probable outcome is to lose that fresh cash as well.
399  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Claw Machines: a category of gambling? on: April 09, 2024, 07:53:46 AM
I don't recommend playing this machine since there's no fairness certification, unlike slot machines with certification or a license. If the prize is just a toy, then it's not gambling by definition, but if the prize is money, then it's gambling. This machine is easy to tweak or compromise, so even if you're a skilled "crawler," you still can get bad results. There are many YouTube videos testing and explaining this machine.

In a casino the prizes are tokens, redeemable to money.

Not sure if that is the main difference as you can also exchange the toy for money.

I think the main difference, legally speaking, is that one is a game of chance (gambling) and the other is a game of skill (crawl machine)
400  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: April 08, 2024, 07:10:05 AM
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I agree with you. Gambling has the potential to disrupt your working hours therefore it is better to make a schedule. I also have a friend who is addicted to gambling. He once gambled at work during his break. It didn't become a problem until he continued gambling and spent several hours gambling. It reduced his productivity significantly. I once advised him and at that time he didn't listen to me. And now he has been fired from his company. Now he regrets his actions but it was too late.

I think you can still do it if you know how to "read the room".

If you are simply gambling at any time, independent of what's going on at work then yeah, most probably that person will get in trouble.

But if you only do it when there's free time at work, then you can probably get away with it.
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