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381  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2016, 12:59:36 AM

382  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BITMAIN announces Antpool on: January 12, 2016, 11:32:58 PM

Antpool has given support to Bitcoin Classic. That might have something to do with it.

Just the socioeconomic majority at work right?
383  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 12, 2016, 10:52:54 PM
https://bitcoinclassic.com/

soon we will have x different versions of Bitcoin. Bitcoin Classic, Bitcoin Real, Bitcoin Original, you name it.

honestly, better expect double digits and keep your wallets synced!



I doubt this "alt-bitcoin" will have enough consensus to be adopted.

Fakhoury has doubts guise...  Shocked



Notice the names there, their percentages... Antpool, BW, BTCC... Methinks they're not pleased about being steamrolled by their side chain competition... offered complex rewrites of the network (leaving a possible majority of nodes in a SPV+ mode) with softforks giving them 0.6MB equiv gain, vs a simple two line upgrade of what we already know works.

If Bitcoin does hardfork away from Blockstream Core, you'll have plenty of warning and time before you need to upgrade your software.

If it really makes you fume with rage seeing Bitcoin grow to support 5.2tps vs 2.7... I'm sure someone will release a client with a reduced difficulty and maybe another proof of work, but don't be butthurt if the "alt-bitcoin" slur is turned back on you, friend.

The day Mircea executes his "attack" of dumping all his Bitcoin for Cripplecoins may be the buying op of a lifetime.
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384  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 12, 2016, 09:37:41 PM

Whoa, no wonder Pravda bitcoin.org slammed the lever into reverse today.  Smiley

Wheels are turning... I just had a slight tingle of bullishness crawl up my spine.

 
385  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2016, 08:46:12 AM
At the moment, seems all good to me.. and I see no major censorship, as seems to be implied by several posters who are asserting their opposition to recent administrator banning actions...

Sure, if you can stomach all of the ad campaigns and all of the disingenuous posts they generate.

So... you think price may raise to $500 tonight? or tomorrow than?

386  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin from illegal activities on: January 11, 2016, 08:38:47 AM
Monerobadger don' care.



inb4 50 cents=50 cents
387  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2016, 08:07:19 AM
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At 2:30 this morning @petertoddbtc committed a double-spend attack on @Coinbase by buying me Reddit gold and then redirected the payment

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40ejy8/peter_todd_with_my_doublespendpy_tool_with/

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/686362883756695553



They better publish a proof of solvency after this.

You never thought someone would order a plate of onion rings, eat them, and walk out the door? Think again...

whoulda thunk huh?  Roll Eyes

if it can be broken it will be broken, it's the mechanism by which an anti-fragile system evolves.

Coinbase has a deficient business model based on fictional technology that doesn't exist, the sooner they find out the better, they should be thanking petertodd.

Of course it could be done, it's been that way all along. Chief Scientist Viacoin just made it a little easier. Before he makes it really easy.

For larger amounts Coinbase waits for 3 confirmations. It's just like a restaurant, the majority of honest customers will pick up the slack on the dine'n'dashers. If the burden of fraud is too great, they'll eliminate the option.

Peter and you thinking this is a surprise is the "whoulda thunk it" part.
388  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bitcoin "unlimited" seeks review on: January 11, 2016, 07:36:15 AM

Come at us bro.  But don't complain when you get rekt like Stannis on the Blackwater.


Thanks Joffrey, but you may find that it's not only Stannis that challenges your rule.
389  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is happening to BTC price? on: January 11, 2016, 07:24:29 AM
Central banks probably secretly buying but just when it drops... To soak up supply for a few yrs before ppl catch on and frontrun them and make them rich..

Central Bank buyer on YoBit.net, can confirm.

390  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stamp is Leading BTC.....That means DUMPAGE! on: January 11, 2016, 07:21:35 AM
Ah, the cockar0ach thread.
391  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stamp is Leading BTC.....That means DUMPAGE! on: January 11, 2016, 07:17:37 AM
Yep!

Just exited my leveraged long, and sold all my BTC on Kraken....when this happens on Stamp...

FUCKING RUN!

Spreading all this doom and gloom the last few days and you were leveraged long?!?
392  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2016, 07:14:21 AM
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At 2:30 this morning @petertoddbtc committed a double-spend attack on @Coinbase by buying me Reddit gold and then redirected the payment

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40ejy8/peter_todd_with_my_doublespendpy_tool_with/

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/686362883756695553



They better publish a proof of solvency after this.

You never thought someone would order a plate of onion rings, eat them, and walk out the door? Think again...
393  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bitcoin "unlimited" seeks review on: January 11, 2016, 06:56:35 AM
When the time comes that a block >1MB is mined, and built upon... it's a safe bet that you've had plenty of warning.
394  Economy / Speculation / Re: Fiat Collapsing. Gold/Silver/Bitcoin UP. on: January 11, 2016, 06:27:37 AM

Where's CypherDoc tho? I still can't see too good.  Embarrassed

After trying to simultaneously be a Bitcoin Maximalist and Buttcoiner, he vanished in a puff of logic.

I suspect that his attorney told him to shut his yap.  At least here on bitcointalk.org where he did much of his hard-core shilling.

Possible that he harbors a slight bit of resentment over what theymos did to the thread we used to enjoy/lurk?

In any event, good riddance to them, amirite?
395  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin from illegal activities on: January 11, 2016, 06:13:37 AM

Jackboot licking piqued my interest, sorry.
396  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) on: January 11, 2016, 05:25:54 AM
I'm very interesting to see how would a fee market become if the block size is full at 1MB. It seems many people are afraid of seeing that happen, but what if it makes bitcoin more valuable?

Imagine that the mining fee per block becomes higher than 50 BTC, e.g. 0.0125btc per transaction for 4000 transactions per block at 1MB, and average transaction will be larger than 1 BTC to not feel the pain of fee. That is about 6 dollar per transaction at today's exchange rate, almost at the same level as today's international bank transfer fee, but still lower. So it won't impact two largest user group of bitcoin: Long term value store and international remittance

However, the result of 50 BTC fee per block is: In a 4 years' period, half of the coins will be collected by miners. Currently many people do not trust bitcoin because they doubt that it is a pump and dump scheme: Early adopters sitting on millions of coins, making lots of campaigns to merchants and users in an effort to dump them to late adopters and profit. However, if late adopters can become a miner and process transactions for early adopters and collect equal amount of coins like early adopters, then this monetary system is much better designed and will not result in inequality long term wise. Because mining is almost free entry for anyone, this will attract more users, more than a low fee will do

In fact, this is already a concern when the next reward halving is coming, means over 75% of the coins have been mined. What would people do when a gold mine is depleted?

The argument for a large block is to reduce the fee for average users, but what if a small block is better for bitcoin's adoption?


I cant understand how coin with high fees can have better adoption (number of people using it), when there will be cheaper altcoin alternative (fees)... Can such coin just be used for international remitance players instead ? Well why not look for a cheaper alternative instead again ? Ok, and what about store of value, at least. Why would you store your value on a coin when the coin can hardly to be used for anything ?

As I see it, if you cap how much coin can be used (number of transactions), people just use other coins for the same purpose, and just stop caring about Bitcoin or even consider storing value there, just like you do today with random altcoin or coin you have no use for.


Alt coins with less security and reliability and staying power, alt coins with less recognized value (the network effect) and thus fewer places to spend said coins.
People may choose to use other alt coins as the Bitcoin transaction fee grows but Bitcoin with its place as the first and the most reliable, dependable digital currency will be the flag ship of a whole fleet of new alt coins. If an alt coin shows it can be more stable and reliable with lower fees then those changes will be incorporated into Bitcoin but not before. Bitcoin is Borg it will take the best aspects of the lesser alt coins and incorporate them into itself.


Bitcoin or any other Crypto currency has yet to do battle with a government body, we need to keep our eye on the real threat, government intervention. A war is coming and if the bitcoin network should fall all crypto currency's will suffer as a result. We could be set back decades.

The network effect only has value when the utility of Bitcoin is better than the alternative. Artificially making Bitcoin less useful (high fees), makes alternatives more useful. It may take years to fully sacrifice the utility of the FMA, but if you do, don't be surprised if your first mover advantage turns out to be just as beneficial as it was to myspace, ashes between your fingers.

Of course there are limits, limits to be decided by miners that expend energy to create blocks. Creating megablocks that choke the network (and make your block stale in the process) is not the greatest concern here. Satoshi understood free market incentives, he designed the system around them, it's a shame to see an arbitrary malicious miner protection measure corrupt them in such a brutal fashion.

I refuse to take fear mongering in the form of government intervention seriously while a few phone calls and door knocks from the PRC would be nearly lights out. WRT major govts, we had/have two options... security through obscurity, or security through ubiquity.
397  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2016, 04:51:53 AM
nothing major.  Huh
would powerball jackpot fund affect bitcoin price if the funds were gone to buy bitcoin?

I was thinking I would buy ~200k bitcoin if I won so that would move the price a little.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvE84AGMWpE

Still only ~20% of the Powerball winnings to buy 1% of the coins there will ever be at bargain basement prices. Still plenty of money for hookers and cocaine.

Pepper for liftoff gentlemen.
398  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2016, 04:46:28 AM
nothing major.  Huh
would powerball jackpot fund affect bitcoin price if the funds were gone to buy bitcoin?

I was thinking I would buy ~200k bitcoin if I won so that would move the price a little.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvE84AGMWpE
399  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Gavin "The Financial Crisis Is Over" Andresen correct, compromised, or crazy? on: January 11, 2016, 04:14:07 AM
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We're not in violent disagreement here. Although, I don't think miners moving to software with a 2-4MB max makes this inevitable or even likely. My greater concern is that a company, with the involvement of none other than Eric Schmidt, is steering and molding our current (potentially former) first mover advantage to their own ends. I think a diversified array of software choices hardens Bitcoin even further from outside control. Hiring a majority of the devs of the inertia driven "reference" client has proven much cheaper than a 51% attack, highlighting a fragile facet of our antifragile currency.

Schmidt taking a share of Blockstream doesn't surprise or bother me that much.  I'm sure he has some hope of guiding the company's trajectory, or at least keeping informed on it, but I'm also fairly confident that the important players (esp, Back, Maxwell and Wuille) are well aware of and wary of this, and I think it probable that they would bail if it became a problem.  In the mean time, the work made possible by the availability of resources is open-source to a reasonable degree and if they split what (if any) is not open would probably go along with them.

My confidence in Back-n-co is not infinite, but they are by far the best bet as far as I'm concerned. I feel this way because of their documented history and the quality of their work.  It would have been really interesting to know how Finney would have felt or acted wrt to Blockstream.  I do have points of dispute with at least Back and Maxwell but they are minor and I feel that the overall objective for Bitcoin is similar to what I would like to see happen.

I might add that I don't care much about the 'client' (reference or not.)  It's the protocol which is key as far as I'm concerned.  Ya, having some control over 'the reference client' at this point in Bitcoin's evolution does probably translate into having some significant input into what is practical to do at the protocol level, but it is not a significant concern to me.  To me it's just kind of an organic reality and less risky than the alternate.  I didn't feel that way earlier in Bitcoin's evolution, and I probably won't feel that way half a decade from now (if Bitcoin is still around) but that's my stance at this point.


I'll preface by saying that the Blockstream guys are highly competent coders and cryptographers, they were before they formed Blockstream, and they are today. Your placement of trust in them thus far is not alien to me. However, a conflict of interest is an insidious thing, it may start out benign, but under the pressure of investors, deadlines, and runway... may begin to allow a form of self delusion... a self reinforcing mentality that what is best for the company is best for the protocol.

The investors that deposited $21 mil didn't do so out of charity, they were sold an eventual ROI. I'm not satisfied with the thesis that it was "we're going to altruistically contribute open source code to better Bitcoin, which will probably make us massive amounts of money somehow, and we'll dissolve the company while stiffing the investors if we have second thoughts about it." I want to know how they plan to make money, and if artificially crippling the main chain could incubate that plan.

It seems that more distribution of available software is the only way to allow miners, who issue the votes that count, to fully exercise their built in right of voting with hashes. If the miners continue to choose core's direction, so be it, I'll convert my node to a segwit node so it actually continues to fully verify. I got interested in Bitcoin because it felt like there wasn't a central point of control, that it natively resisted control by centralized influence. I have confidence that the market will settle the blocksize just as efficiently as it sets the price and the difficulty, a market with production quotas is not a market. Mining valid blocks is not a trivial thing, and those doing it have an interest in seeing the system they manage be as successful as possible.
400  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Gavin "The Financial Crisis Is Over" Andresen correct, compromised, or crazy? on: January 10, 2016, 08:24:44 PM

Can we get back on topic please? This thread is about Gavin's naïve impression that internet bandwidth worldwide is improving over time.
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Sure.  We all know (or think we know) that 'disk' is not really a factor in Bitcoin scaling...

Undecided

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I actually don't doubt that 'Moore's law' has held up better than my 'consumer grade' experience of the decade or so, but it is fairly clear that the friuits of this phenomenon are realized by a wholly different class of beneficiaries.  And I don't trust this class to serve my interests when it comes to protecting my assets against attack.

I've always said that market forces will not distribute technological advancements evenly, and the reasons for this are fairly obvious (to me at least.)  At this point it probably is the case that the likes of Google, Facebook, etc, could run Bitcoin as the global monetary system for everything and everyone.  If not now, they will be able to within a few years while it is completely unlikely that lesser class infrastructure providers will.  Bitcoin could 'evolve' to take advantage of this support base, but in doing so it will lose any advantage it may have over established fiat systems.

We're not in violent disagreement here. Although, I don't think miners moving to software with a 2-4MB max makes this inevitable or even likely. My greater concern is that a company, with the involvement of none other than Eric Schmidt, is steering and molding our current (potentially former) first mover advantage to their own ends. I think a diversified array of software choices hardens Bitcoin even further from outside control. Hiring a majority of the devs of the inertia driven "reference" client has proven much cheaper than a 51% attack, highlighting a fragile facet of our antifragile currency.

 
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