How about just taking the girls to get birth control at 13? Seems simple enough. Let the boys stay overnight if it is mutually agreeable. Have a daughter. Don't understand the problem. ... Holy shit. Cunicula suggested a sensible solution. Am I dreaming? Someone pinch me. Broken clock. Right twice a day. You know the drill. |
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Google already works with the NSA.
Right that is my point, see all of us are enjoying the free low hanging fruit provided by Google because that helps them get NSA and other kinds of contracts that pay very large sums of money. Google is no different then any other company and what is worse is that a majority of people are just following along thinking what a great group of open minded folks. Just wait this dog will turn and bit you, it is not a mater of if but when. Well, if you have a criminal secretive organization that, under "color of law", tells you "either you do as we tell you, or we'll start putting your people in cages / punishing them in other ways / destroying your business", you tend to comply. In such a case, your compliance can't be taken as evidence of immorality or evidence that you acted in bad faith. Exactly. The problem isn't that Google works with the NSA, it's that the NSA exists at all. Exactly. The problem isn't the people who must obey a Mafia -- the problem is the Mafia making threats. |
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do you think, that when I use the word democracy, I am actually advocating an exclusive clique having special privileges and powers
over everyone else? Seriously?
That's what observably happens in every democracy, is it not? Unless you distort and pervert reality to deny what your eyes can see, I don't see how you could refute that. Not in my bookclub; we get along just fine. And do we need any more example to prove the statement, that it happens in every democracy, false? How exactly is your book club a "democracy"? Define "democracy" (don't just make up a definition, of course) and then demonstrate that your book club fits this definition (not in a "well, X is kinda like Y" -- that's not an argument I will accept). Of course, be prepared to be challenged by common dictionary definitions. Let's see how clear your thinking is. It is democratic. It is of the people in the bookclub by the people in the bookclub for the people of the bookclub. It adheres to the principle of equality of rights and privileges for all members of the bookclub. You did not answer any of my questions, thus we do not yet know whether your book club is "democratic" or not. So, in the interest of actually having a rational conversation, can you respond to the questions I asked? They are, to wit: 1. How exactly is your book club a "democracy"? "It is democratic" is not a response. 2. Define "democracy". You did not do that. 3. Demonstrate that your book club fits this definition 4. Be prepared to be challenged by common dictionary definitions. If you're not going to address what is being asked of you to prove your hypotheses, at least do me (and everyone else) the favor of not contributing more noise to the conversation? Thanks. |
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I see it differently in that i say that any human constructs like math are just an informational patterns and that intangible just means 'intrinsically informational'.
And the difference between tangible and intangible is whether the information is intrinsic to something physical. Information acquires (temporary) tangibility by modifying the states of something that already is tangible.
Yes, we know you believe that "tangible" means "physical" (key words of your reply highlighted). The link shows you how this belief of yours is wrong. Merely telling us again "Well, I say tangibility requires physicality" is not an argument, nor is it a refutation to the argument that were presented to you -- it is just denial that wastes everyone's time. As such, and pursuant to taking the conversation back to the topic, can you please stop making noise in this thread? |
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And we also have an excellent general term called "democracy." Get yourself a dictionary. It will help you with that clear thinking problem you seem to be having.  You first imply that I'm wrong by saying "get a dictionary" and then you imply that I am somehow the victim of "befuddled thinking". I didn't say you were wrong but that there can be more than one word for any particular concept. You said more than that, and you know it. We're waiting for you to defend your ideas. |
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"Gold is not worth anything. It can't even be eaten."
Funny how the idiots who say this kind of nonsense don't actually eat funny-looking pieces of paper with cultish symbols intaglio'ed on them.
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One sais that we live on a prison planet because he thinks bitcoins are outlawed
He didn't say that. Yes he did: "in that the Western states have gradually outlawed a freely traded digital money product and implemented a type of fiscal prison planet arrangement,". So let me ask it again. What freely traded digital money product has been gradually outlawed in the west?Do you want like, the whole list? Or would an example like E-Gold suffice? |
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AMERICA!, STUBBORN TO CHANGE!
"i want to buy your gulf oil with USD"
"No, I will sell my gulf oil for precious metals"
*gunshot, casualty*
"You will sell me your gulf oil for USD"
"I'll sell you my gulf oil for your precious metals"
*gunshot, casualty*
"You will take our USD for your oil"
"I uhh, Will trade oil for metal?"
*gunshot, War*
Thats what the fucking gulf war is all about, Americans getting angry that other countries wouldnt take USD.
Yes, exactly. As an "American", I am sitting here rubbing my hands together contemplating how much oil Canadians actually have. I think you Canadians are holding back. I'm pretty sure the next war will be closer to home than you Canadians want! I won't rest until I bathe in your oil! My toaster runs on oil! OK. I'll admit, your post offended me a bit. I am an "American", not by choice, but because I happened to be born where I was born. Let's put down the beer and knock off the stereotypes, eh? For starters, I oppose every and all war. I think oil is a fantastic fuel, but hope technology can provide better. I treat FRNs like toxic waste and trade them away whenever I find any in my possession, and suggest everyone else does the same. Next time you want to lump a bunch of people together under one description, remember your peace loving, fiat hating friend to the south, OK? I don't think he's referring to decent people like you. I think your interlocutor is talking about the sociopaths who rule you. |
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One sais that we live on a prison planet because he thinks bitcoins are outlawed
He didn't say that.
the other is redefining perfectly good words like tangible to mean intangible.
Sorry, you're wrong about this too -- contrary to popular belief, the word "tangible" never meant what you erroneously think it means. Please, educate yourself on the origins of the word "tangible" so you can stop misusing it: http://www.runtogold.com/2012/11/why-bitcoin-is-tangible-digging-into-the-guts-of-bitcoin/Your interlocutor is not redefining "tangible" to embrace intangibles -- on the contrary, it is you who erroneously believes that the definition of "tangible" excludes objects that don't exhibit corporealness. |
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Note I said "social system" which perhaps can be differentiated from private matters.
Private relationships are social systems too. |
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do you think, that when I use the word democracy, I am actually advocating an exclusive clique having special privileges and powers
over everyone else? Seriously?
That's what observably happens in every democracy, is it not? Unless you distort and pervert reality to deny what your eyes can see, I don't see how you could refute that. Not in my bookclub; we get along just fine. And do we need any more example to prove the statement, that it happens in every democracy, false? How exactly is your book club a "democracy"? Define "democracy" (don't just make up a definition, of course) and then demonstrate that your book club fits this definition (not in a "well, X is kinda like Y" -- that's not an argument I will accept). Of course, be prepared to be challenged by common dictionary definitions. Let's see how clear your thinking is. |
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And we also have an excellent general term called "democracy." Get yourself a dictionary. It will help you with that clear thinking problem you seem to be having. You first imply that I'm wrong by saying "get a dictionary" and then you imply that I am somehow the victim of "befuddled thinking". That's a clever manipulative non-argument composed entirely of attacks and discrediting, but it changes nothing: you're still wrong, and you prove it over and over by not being able or willing to advance arguments proving that you're right. |
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How do you know i'm not faking..
I don't need to know whether you're faking or not. I only need to see your behavior to understand that you're managing your anxiety by acting out. |
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Your post has a tone of being hunted by the 'government', everyone in a big prison, making it paranoia.
Then you only talk about them against you, which is one-sided.
And it is FUD because you use this one sided paranoia to motivate your point.
I mean you say things like: "in that the Western states have gradually outlawed a freely traded digital money product and implemented a type of fiscal prison planet arrangement,".
How is this not FUD? Where in the west is bitcoin outlawed? WTH are you talking about?
And please show me my tangential reasoning about the definition of the word 'tangible'.
Tangible is a word with a certain meaning. It does not cover information and information is not tangible. It is a simple fact of definition.
Note how mobodick does not actually address any of the arguments -- he merely attempts to discredit what was said by making strange associations between his perception of the tone of the argument and some form of conspiracy theory that nobody mentioned (until mobodick did). This is a standard disinformation tactic to discredit ideas without actually refuting them. |
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I think of "democratic" as an adjective as "by the people, for the people." I think that fits Bitcoin.
And some, like Lincoln, would include, "of the people", and I feel that is a good description of democracy and yes, fits what Bitcoin is about. We already have a word to describe "by the people, for the people, of the people". The word is called populist. No need to conflate democracy with populism. Clear thinking starts with clear concepts. |
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"The best social system is one where everyone is given a voice and allowed equal participation."
I certainly don't agree with that. There are probably no situations where everone deserves an equal voice. If we're deciding what to do with my property, my voice is the only voice that matters; it's my property. It's cool that people want to have a voice and are allowed to speak. It's not cool when they start to aggressively impose their criteria on others. That principle rules out both rape and democracy. |
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do you think, that when I use the word democracy, I am actually advocating an exclusive clique having special privileges and powers
over everyone else? Seriously?
That's what observably happens in every democracy, is it not? Unless you distort and pervert reality to deny what your eyes can see, I don't see how you could refute that. |
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I guess what it comes down to is that corrupt liberal journalists like this woman... I see your point. It's not that Abby Martin's reporting lacks facts, you dislike her because she presents a political view you dislike. Exactly. Truths are bad if they contradict one's belief system. That is his mode of mental operation. |
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That chick is bat-shit crazy.
The fact that RT is state funded socialist propaganda tool makes anything they report suspect. I would encourage anyone who watches it do your own fact verification of anything 'reported' there.
FUD above this line. |
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Google already works with the NSA.
Right that is my point, see all of us are enjoying the free low hanging fruit provided by Google because that helps them get NSA and other kinds of contracts that pay very large sums of money. Google is no different then any other company and what is worse is that a majority of people are just following along thinking what a great group of open minded folks. Just wait this dog will turn and bit you, it is not a mater of if but when. Well, if you have a criminal secretive organization that, under "color of law", tells you "either you do as we tell you, or we'll start putting your people in cages / punishing them in other ways / destroying your business", you tend to comply. In such a case, your compliance can't be taken as evidence of immorality or evidence that you acted in bad faith. |
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