Does this come with a port to pump liquid nitrogen inside the case to keep it from melting?
Huh? They've been quoting 400 watts. Who has trouble cooling a 4U case pulling 400 watts? What is the temperature of the room that this would need to be in? If you had 50 of them in a room would they be able to cool themselves with just the fans? You would need at least 10 Tons of cooling and exhaust for the heat. So 20KW for the units and 20KW for the AC and exhaust. Not too bad for 3TH+  Wow, thermodynamics.....is not your strong suit. |
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Does this come with a port to pump liquid nitrogen inside the case to keep it from melting?
Huh? They've been quoting 400 watts. Who has trouble cooling a 4U case pulling 400 watts? Intel. I own one of those servers. Ha. |
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Case is not empty, treasure is real, keep guessing. it has something to do with this  I am going to guess that you made the internal boards upgradeable. (Individual modules. Hence the four blocks? Or it could be interpreted as a PLUS symbol?) Your site also implies that the device is overclockable. ----------------- My other guess is that your design may include the option to be installed inside a special case. Perhaps you guys designed a custom mounting system? This is also heavily implied in your launch subdomain. Warm, or cold? |
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Wanted to ask - way back when development started, you mentioned the units having some sort of small LCD screen to monitor at a glance your mining status and temperatures. Is that still present or was it dropped during development? Also, I remember you or Zhang saying that you intend to make the units upgrade-able or something (you can insert more ASIC boards in, to boost your hashing power). Is that still the case?
@ Bitsyncom/NgZhang Could you comment on either of these two questions? Did it make it to the final product? |
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What happened to "the price should be determined by the market"? Free market not so good after all? If bASIC resurrects I suppose the free market will do its thing. If not, it may need to be set on something else. |
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Is their any reason why the base price has gone up by $200 Unit Price: $1,499 from Unit Price: $1,299 on 2nd batch
Perhaps because the actual device specs exceed 66GH/s? (Speculation only of course) $1299 / 66 = $19.68 1499 / 19.68 = 76.16 GH/s Coincidence that it is slightly above bASICs speed of 72Gh/s? Anyway, it is only speculation. |
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Perhaps the price should depend on the difficulty.  price = 1200 + 800*3249549.58448721/diff |
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The image is of poor contrast and partially out of focus. (Possible Super Macro Mode settings)  A simple color filter shows two dark lines of lettering. Not very legible. Also the filter makes the dust and lint all the more apparent. Seems like this board has been in use for a few days in a non-clean environment. P.S. Light source seems to be coming from the top left. Likely the poor lighting is playing a role in the lettering not being apparent along the bottom. |
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Try opening a cyber cafe and running the numbers between "thin client" 5watt machines vs 400 watt fully equipped PC's. You will quickly notice that the difference is marginal over a single day. And barely worth the trade-offs in the span of a month.
(Now in the span of years, those cents and dollars add up.
Buddy, we all don't live in the land of fairy's and flying pigs ya know. Most of us actually pay a ridiculous amount for electricity nowadays I'm Queensland, Australia it's currently $0.23 KW/h. Which is an extra $1.80 per day that we don't have to spend. If I gotta wait a few more weeks for my ASIC, it's an extra $644 I don't have to spend over the course of a years. Marginal my arse. 1.80 per day 1.80 x 30 = 54 per month 1.80 x 365 = 648 per year. Selling cigarettes to strangers on a street corner...25cents per cig. Ergo: You'd be better off selling cigarettes on a street corner by the time you have to worry about your rig making that small a profit margin. |
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Try opening a cyber cafe and running the numbers between "thin client" 5watt machines vs 400 watt fully equipped PC's. You will quickly notice that the difference is marginal over a single day. And barely worth the trade-offs in the span of a month.
(Now in the span of years, those cents and dollars add up.
Buddy, we all don't live in the land of fairy's and flying pigs ya know. Most of us actually pay a ridiculous amount for electricity nowadays I'm Queensland, Australia it's currently $0.23 KW/h. Which is an extra $1.80 per day that we don't have to spend. If I gotta wait a few more weeks for my ASIC, it's an extra $644 I don't have to spend over the course of a years. Marginal my arse. Take it up with BFL! (By the way, I genuinely sympathize that you have to pay such high electrical rates.) |
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 Silly question guys...Where is the logo on the left bottom chip? Someone grab this guys avatar and post fail all over it. He's 7 tenths of the way there already.... Did you notice that the bottom row is "flipped", genius? (as in upside down) |
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You guys/gals do not know how to use that tool properly.
You folks don't even know what a JPEG matrix or quantization is nor how the tool even detects changes in an image.
There is nothing wrong with the tool. There is only bad interpretation(s) and bad application(s) of this tool without understanding what it compares.
(I used it several years ago (2006 -2008) when the hacker who made (and introduced) this tool first came out with it. I read the "white" papers on some of his theory and how they detect changes.
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Please don't make fools of yourselves by not knowing how to use the tool properly....
I wrote: This photo was manipulated This is not the original photo, you know it. I do not know what it was manipulated , It is possible that only resize. No exif also indicates manipulation. I am not outright discouraging you. I am just pointing out that you are using that tool in the wrong way without knowing how it's detection algorithms work and what they are intended to show. ------------------------------ You should start off with a program that can compare pixels to pixels. (not through jpeg quantification and matrix mis-matches). I'll help you out: http://www.abonsoft.com/pd_imagecompare.htmlThis is a very crappy but simple pixel level compare software. It should point out what parts are actually different if any. (without the other method which required a better understanding of what the tool actually does or how to interpret the results) |
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With 66Ghash, 400 Watt, current difficulty, $0.15/kWh, 15$/BTC your revenue per day is $152.
Once Avalon has shipped all units of their first batch difficulty will be approx. 6,000,000. Your revenue per day will still be $78.
Even with 4,000 Watt it would be $65.
You see, power consumption does not make such a big difference as BFL/Josh claims.
If you add on all of BFL's preorders, difficulty will go up over 100,000,000. a 60GH/s device will only make $5. power will cost $8. So when all the paid for ASICs are in the wild, the low power usage devices are gunna look pretty good! Bullshit. The difference in earning potential (in the time span of a day) in your scenario would only be a couple of cents. Marginal profit. At that point it won't matter very much whether you have a BFL or an Avalon. The difference will be counted in cents. ----------------------------------- Try opening a cyber cafe and running the numbers between "thin client" 5watt machines vs 400 watt fully equipped PC's. You will quickly notice that the difference is marginal over a single day. And barely worth the trade-offs in the span of a month. (Now in the span of years, those cents and dollars add up. |
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You guys/gals do not know how to use that tool properly.
You folks don't even know what a JPEG matrix or quantization is nor how the tool even detects changes in an image.
There is nothing wrong with the tool. There is only bad interpretation(s) and bad application(s) of this tool without understanding what it compares.
(I used it several years ago (2006 -2008) when the hacker who made (and introduced) this tool first came out with it. I read the "white" papers on some of his theory and how they detect changes.
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Please don't make fools of yourselves by not knowing how to use the tool properly....
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I'll post photos and a review when my unit arrives.
I was surprised that I was the only core developer who paid for a unit. Followed the shotgun approach: ordered units from all the people working on ASICs.
Good for you! Most developers seem to be waiting for freebies simply because they are coders. In most industries people pay for expensive Developer Kits (including a computer system). Yes and those developer kits include software developed by the company producing it. In this case the software is created by the developers ... and modified by the companies (or even modified by the developers themselves ...) They save way more money by using free software already written by the developers than the cost of sending out a few boards. Your comparison fails. But it fails on an even higher level - Avalon have not sent any hardware to myself or ckolivas and have never said they would. ... though they have used cgminer ... Are you implying you should not buy hardware like the other developer? I understand your position. But in this case, any development hardware sent to you actually generates BTC. Perhaps you should ask for a lease from different companies and then pay back the hardware costs through the coins it produces as you code for it? -------------- I have noticed a few coders/developers in the wild seemingly....almost demanding....hardware because of their unique position to contribute compatible software updates. Shouldn't you pay for it or return it once the coding process is done? Do you sort of understand where I am coming from? |
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For those like myself doing difficulty estimates for calculating future BTC price changes, can we assume this might have been an order of 75 Avalon discounted? What was original purchase price? If 75, it's 4.5 TH/s. Since this "joke" by PuertoLibre isn't dying, I'll confirm here that it is in fact been photoshop'd. Shocking that it took an official post to be the first to make the obvious point that that was photoshopped. Puerto did everything possible to make it painstaking clear that it was fake. 1/4th of the total batch, with an order number too high to exist within the batch, different font than original order that it was shopped from, etc. You obviously can not read either: (Order number is real though)
Actually, the order number is real. The rest is faked (as openly stated in my original post!). I didn't use Photoshop either. Even BFL_Josh fell for it. It just goes to show that people don't actually read the posts in front of them! (as the Mod indicated) I contacted Bitsyncom a short time before he posted as well....remarking how people on the forum don't seem to read before they post. |
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I wonder how much testing has gone into this. Surely quite a bit. But wouldn't it be a great upset if Avalon was first to ship and all of the units failed after a week or two?
A prediction for BFL in March 2013? |
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I'll post photos and a review when my unit arrives.
I was surprised that I was the only core developer who paid for a unit. Followed the shotgun approach: ordered units from all the people working on ASICs.
Good for you! Most developers seem to be waiting for freebies simply because they are coders. In most industries people pay for expensive Developer Kits (including a computer system). |
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 My name and order quantity were edited to protect the innocent.  (Order number is real though) Mod edit: Hello idiots who can not read: please note "order quantity were edited". This isn't a real order for $98k in product. |
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