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3821  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: It's the easiest to trade when you aren't trading on: April 17, 2021, 03:59:50 PM
This is a journey of a HODLER. Once we become a hodler of Bitcoin because this is the most trusted and valuable crypto, we may get big profits after all. Although higher profits will need higher risks, I personally also feel that Bitcoin is worth investing in and hodl.
The trust is number one when going to Hold. And I imagine for HODLER of Bitcoin from only $10k to $60k right now, how profits they have been obtaining. And for me, your decision is wise enough when you decided to take profits at a certain target price and then wait for the falling price again, maybe in the bearish market later.
3822  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why doesn't bitcoin go up higher percentages like altcoins? on: April 17, 2021, 03:55:35 PM
Bitcoin may not go up higher more than 50% in a day, not like altcoins do.
I imagine if BTC can really go up 50% in one day, the initial price at this moment is for example $60k and then 10 hours later, it goes up to $90.
Can it be?

Bitcoin may not go up so drastically in a day percentage. But you know, how percentage the Bitcoin has grown so far? And how this coin can really sustain the value and also increase the trust without any hype again?
3823  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: what way to take profit ? on: April 16, 2021, 11:57:14 PM
Those are all the ways to let you have chances to get profits. However, it will also depend on personal strategy, decision, and also patience to take the profits.
And every method of those has its own risks and higher risks may commonly also offer high profits. So just arrange your own readiness to take the risks and also profits based on your ability to afford, not only based o following the hypes or friends or other influencers.

So far, Putting your money into ICO is very risky because that is a new coin in which we really don't know whether they will be listed in good or top exchanges or not, will attract new traders or investors after listed in exchanges or not, or will have high volume, market cap, and liquidity or not. So, I think that this is the highest risk.
The lower risks may be investing in Bitcoin and also other top coins moreover that have good fundamentals.
3824  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whats the best way/method to learn crypto? on: April 16, 2021, 11:48:11 PM
I'm fairly new to cryptocurrency but i've invested in bitcoins years ago but never understood it. Pretty much friend told me to buy it so I did lol.
Actually, this is very risky if you invested in crypto-based on only following your friends without learning at first. however, fortunately, you invested in Bitcoin, so it may be a saver. If you are new to crypto, never only follow your friends to buy certain coins, moreover new coins. Additionally, you must be also very careful when going to invest your money into crypto. In this case, nowadays there are many scams that offer very interesting investments with high profits in crypto, and it will never work because it is a scam. Watch out for this.

And about how to learn about cryptocurrency, I personally also felt the same with you when first introduced to cryptocurrency. I was really confused about where I should start. However, at that time, I started in this forum and then learn about the basic thing of crypto, that is about Bitcoin and the differences with the altcoins.
After that, what we are going to learn is better to follow what we are going to do. At that time, I wanted to focus on joining the projects and programs in this forum so I decided to read more posts and threads in this forum, in most sections.
However, if your goal is for trading, I think that besides learning about Bitcoin and altcoins, crowdfunding, and basic things about crypto, you can learn about the type of trading, mechanism, knowing about exchanges, wallets, types of tokens or coins, and much more basic knowledge.

And some sources that are very helpful for me are likely:
- This forum
- Binance Academy

I know that there are so many sites and also YouTube channels that provide completed information about cryptocurrency, but those two are my favorites.
3825  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can you say you made money if you never actally sell your coins? on: April 16, 2021, 11:37:47 PM
Should you hodl forever?  Does everyone have a price?  What is yours?   Huh
Every hodler will always have their own target to reach for their hold. HODL doesn't mean forever. Hold means that we can keep our coins in a certain period until it gets the target and the target itself that makes difference among the holders. It may be until the price target reaching after serval percentage, after one month, two, or years. And or until several years later to be saved in the wallet itself.
However, we can say that we get the profits and also money of it if the coins have been converted or sold into fiat and then cash out to the bank account.
3826  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: April 16, 2021, 11:05:12 PM
I don't think Kane will like to move to Manchester City or United but he seems to be somehow interested in Chelsea cause it was said that he (Kane) loves it in London.
Sure, it is possible that Kane will go to Man City or Man United. Why not? I am sure Kane also dream to be a striker of a big team and experiences to collect Premier League and Champions League title. Man City seems the best place for him to go in the next season. Regarding Kane ever said that he loves London, it doesn't mean if he dreams to be a striker of Chelsea. I doubt if he ignores Man City and prefers to move to Chelsea. Man City is much better than Chelsea.
3827  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: You won today, but then you will lose often on: April 16, 2021, 10:57:04 PM
If you don't use your brain and practice self-control while gambling, all your wins today will just be funding for your next losses tomorrow.
You are right. Having good self-control and be realistic are crucial things in gambling, they can determine how we do with gambling. There are many bad impacts that we can get in gamblings if we cannot think realistically and control ourselves well, such as being addicted or suddenly experiencing big losses. Of course, the winning today just become the losses money tomorrow if we cannot manage it properly. We can be greedy if we have bad self-control, then losing all the money got from winning today in the next day. Losing all only in a day, yes it is possible.
3828  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Platform Jual Beli Crypto Direct IDR on: April 15, 2021, 11:25:48 PM
-snip-
Iya gan, tinggal menunggu perkembangan dan penambahan koinnya saja yang listing di Tokocrypto.
Serta mungkin terkait KYC, banyak keluhan terkait tidak bisanya KYC ulang, harus mendaftar dengan email baru bagi yang gagal. Walau sebenarnya asal sesuai instruksi, KYC di Tokocrypto mudah sih hanya beberapa menit, namun bagi beberapa orang mengalami kesulitan .. tapi overal, TC memang perkembangannya sangat pesat sejak ada investasi dari Binance...

Sebelumnya saya masih mengira-ngira kalau Rupiah yang disetor ataupun ditarik otomatis konversi nya dengan BIDR (karena saya lihat tidak ada trade BTC atau aset lain ke IDR sama sekali); Kemudian untuk Deposit IDR yang muncul langsung BIDR (bukan IDR).
Iya suhu, dan memang untuk pairing BIDR sendiri di TC masih cukup sedikit dan tidak seramai pair USDT.

-Keduanya saya lihat masih temporarily suspended baik deposit ataupun withdraw; Dan saya lihat untuk beberapa aset kripto yang lain juga ada versi UP dan DOWN-nya.
nah iya, memang token ini tidak bisa diwithdraw ke wallet, jadi mungkin setelah konversi ke USDT baru bisa diambil.. Untuk koin-koin UP/DOWN lainnya memang belum bisa ditradingkan juga, mungkin nantinya akan seperti di menu ETF Binance...

-..lama proses withdrawnya sampai selesai (tidak sampai 3 menitan); Belum coba wd di hari libur/minggu apakah sama atau lebih lama prosesnya dari hari kerja.
Selama ini memang proses WD tergolong cepat, hari sabtu atau minggu juga lancar atau normal seperti weekdays.
Namun jika kita mau deposit sepertinya perlu agak diperhatikan jangan sampai deposit dengan nominal sama persis di waktu yang bersamaan. Misalnya deposit 10juta 2x dalam waktu dekat, biasanya yang akan masuk 1x dulu dan deposit kedua akan delay, pernah baca beberapa pengalaman ini di grup. Entah akrena sistemnya atau bagaimana, jadi jika deposit khusus dari bank, lebih baik dibedakan nominalnya..  Smiley

Wajarlah klo di konversi ke bentuk BIDR (bukan IDRT) karena token BIDR adalah milik tokocrypto
Iyapp, dan token IDRT itu ada di Tokocrypto karena dulu banyak yang salah kirim IDRT ke wallet BIDR Tokocrypto, alhasil nyangkut deh  Cheesy
3829  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tips on how to place sports bets on: April 15, 2021, 10:57:49 PM
Know what you're betting on.
I do really agree with this. Some people may be only following others for what they are betting without any analysis or even understanding what we are betting. this is not good, likely we are betting on something blind.

Stay away from games like Dice unless you are doing it purely for fun
Does it mean that gambling on Dice really is mostly based on luck? And we may have only small chances to win?  Grin Grin
I also feel the same because I so far cannot analyze or predict the exact dice for betting  Grin
3830  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Experience with Trading Bots on: April 15, 2021, 10:53:13 PM
...Also have i thrown some money into shitcoin ICOs...
Don't worry, many experienced this, and let's laugh together  Grin Grin
Just take it as a big lesson for us right now.

btw about the trading bots, so far, I never use this kind of trading bots. I never heard about it and also try to explore but I am still doubtful because not all trading bots can really work well. Although it will help us very well, but it needs certain trading bots, a trusted ones, and also reputable in order to get it working well. if we use bad trading bot, it may give bad infleunce to us.

3831  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Devices used for Gambling on: April 15, 2021, 10:43:08 PM
Won't that be based on what games we follow for gambling?
If you don't need too many specifications and observations, you can usually also use a mobile phone.
However, if you want to be more comfortable, good, and also stable, laptops or computer devices may be the main choice. especially slot games, sportbets, and several other gambling games. But of course, everyone has their own comfort and also necessities. But what is certain is in accordance with the capabilities of the devices we have.

3832  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Safe with bitcoin? on: April 15, 2021, 10:39:00 PM
The reason why? ..
In my area (environment), we are already likely being outside for food works, and also other activities because we are likely feeling so hard for only staying at home. Many people need to work to get money and food and also their daily needs. If they don't do that, they will probably die because of feeling hungry.
But for the notes, most of us and them here also follow the health protocol to avoid being infected. Btw, some vaccination is ongoing right nowhere.

...And today it is good to introduce the use of cryptocurrency or the bitcoin using online payment because it is more faster and secured they don't need to go outside too to pay other things they need and it is better if we are spreading those information so they can now made online payment and let's stop spreading of virus.
It is a good idea, but not every country can do this. As one of the examples is in my country. Cryptocurrency is legal as a commodity for digital assets. But it is forbidden to be used as a currency because there is fiat regulated by the government here. So we cannot use crypto for any payment.
And there are also no merchants that accept crypto as payment, additionally, we are here living traditionally.
However, right now, there is a development in the digital payment method using eWallet.

And probably this case is also happening in other countries.
3833  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: TokoCrypto Launchpad What's about? on: April 14, 2021, 03:21:19 PM
Tokocrypto, Indonesian token from a big Exchage is launching in Launchad in BinancexBNB... any news?? any advise??
I joined this launchpad and only got a very small TKO  Grin Grin
So many participants and BNB for that launchpad. But I am happy about this condition because it means that many are expecting this.
I hold TKO that I got from the launchpad and also rewards from Tokocrypto events.

May I ask if this tokocrypto exchange is already popular among Indonesian crypto users or are they just starting? This token is now trading in Binance so it seems they have good future here. Do you think this TKO exchange will attract more Indonesians in the next coming months? Because you will get the pulse from your own community if they like this new local exchange. And if they are supporting it, then, high likely that TKO token will increase its value.
Since Binance invested in Tokocrypto, yeah, this started to be more and more popular. I'm also a user of this exchange in my country, moving from other exchanges to this Tokocrypto because the withdrawal and transaction fees are lower. Whatever the amount of money (BIDR) to withdraw from my bank account, I just need to spend IDR5.500 (about $0.374). This is one of the interesting things in this exchange.

Its just hype coin. What is yhe real use case for Token on the centralised exchanger ? Lowee fees ? Bigger affiliate fees like binance ? Or this token would create its own blockchain like binance smartchain ? DeFi and NFTs hype is still accepted but i will say no to centraliwed exchange token
Maybe you can check on their new Liteppaer V2.0. There are some token utility use cases and also its roadmap..
https://www.tokocrypto.com/cdn/pdf/TKO%20Litepaper%20V2.0.pdf
3834  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you limit your gambling time? on: April 14, 2021, 03:05:30 PM
In gambling, there are several management and tips for self-control. One of them is being able to control yourself to create certain boundaries in gambling. Is this easy? of course not. Because, the more we try to limit, the various distractions and temptations arise.

- Have a weekly budget to play and do not ever go over it?
- Not ever get in debt for gambling?
- Have an allocated time for gambling and never exceed it?
- Gamble only socially with friends of relatives?
- Have someone helping you control your gambling?
- No, I am not a regular gambler.
- No
and No for all.
Maybe this will be implemented to a gambler that plays more on gambling
However, I personally do agree that if we play more on gambling, we must set certain allocations, moreover the maximum funds to spend in a week and must be able to control to stop when losing all funds.
3835  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Tokocrypto launch toko token on: April 14, 2021, 07:16:53 AM
Dulu banyak eventnya padahal apalagi pas saat - saat mau listing di binance cuman merasa agak malas gtu, tetapi hasilnya sekarang luar biasa apalagi koinnya bisa tembus sampai 10$ pas awal2 meskipun sekarang stabil di 2,4$. Saya hanya dapat dari event trade dan KYC akun dari refferal 75 TKO per refferal dan saya dapat sekitar 375 tko, lumayan sampai 3 bulan ke depan dapat 95 TKO dan mudah2an harga terus naik.

Yup betul gan.. Lumayan banget sih hasilnya.. kalau saya pribadi milih dihold dulu lah, semoga saja setidaknya bisa lebih dari 5$ minimal, karena sekarang harganya masih cenderung turun, apalagi nanti menjelang lebaran akan ada distribusi yang ke 2, mungkin akan lebih turun lagi , jadi harus lebih bersabar dulu   Smiley

Btw sekarang ada Versi terbarunya suhu, tapi masih Litepaper V2.0 yang lebih update
https://www.tokocrypto.com/cdn/pdf/TKO%20Litepaper%20V2.0.pdf?

Omong-omong OP sudah lebih dari dari 6 halaman, tapi tidak ada gerak sedikit pun untuk mengubah judul dari TOKO ke TKO karena kalau ane lihat di coingecko kedua token tersebut berbeda, TKO dan ini TOKO. supaya tidak ada salah persepsi baiknya judulnya diubah, bisa jadi yang baca akan jadi salah beli token yang mirip tetangga sebelah.

Mungkin karena melihat di WP TKO namanya adalah Toko Token dan tikernya TKO seperti yg tercantum di WP mereka..

dan juga di coinmarketcap
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tokocrypto/
Mungkin agar tidak membuat bingung, bisa ditambah dalam kurung (TKO)

Walaupun kalau dicek di Litepaper V2.0 nya sekarang seperti ini:

hanya di dalamnya masih disebutan juga Toko Token beberapa kali..

3836  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Platform Jual Beli Crypto Direct IDR on: April 14, 2021, 05:56:59 AM
..Apalagi fee wd cuman 6k saja dan prosesnya sangat cepet, kemaren saya wd 10 jta ke BCA cuman lima menitan sudah masuk ke rekening, dibandingkan dengan indodax jauh lebih effektif dan cepat tokocrypto dalam hal penarikan ke rekening bank.
Lebih tepatnya 5.500 gan dan asyiknya lagi itu flat mau berapapun (KYC level1 maksimal 250juta per hari)..  Grin
Tapi memang iya, selama ini lancar dan cepat withdraw dari Tokocrypto ke bank..  Smiley

Setoran Rupiah itu otomatis dikonversi jadi BIDR kan ya, begitu juga sebaliknya penarikan BIDR otomatis jadi Rupiah?
Kemudian saya lihat ada BTCDOWN dan ada BTCUP itu maksudnya apa ya, apa masih ada kaitannya dengan BTC?
Iya suhu, setoran otomatis jadi BIDR dan kalau mau withdraw harus dalam BIDR. Walau di sana juga ada IDRT, namun tetap harus BIDR untuk melakukan WD.
Untuk yang BTCUP dan BTCDOWN saya juga masih agak bingung penggunaannya, namun ini ada hubungannya dengan harga BTC dan juga penggunaan leverage. BTCUP dan Down menjadi salah satu fitur di Tokocrypto yaitu ETF Token ..
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BTCUP bertujuan untuk menghasilkan keuntungan dengan leverage ketika harga Bitcoin naik, sementara BTCDOWN bertujuan untuk menghasilkan keuntungan dengan leverage saat harga Bitcoin turun. Keuntungan leverage ini berjumlah antara 1,5x dan 3x.
Mungkin bisa selengkapnya di sini suhu, karena saya juga masih belum terlalu paham:
https://tokocrypto.zendesk.com/hc/id/articles/360050157791-Fitur-Baru-ETF-Token-di-Tokocrypto-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WUeWz41gG4
https://news.tokocrypto.com/2019/06/19/apa-itu-bitcoin-etf-dan-dampaknya-pada-pasar-crypto/

3837  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: You won today, but then you will lose often on: April 14, 2021, 05:35:26 AM
Every gambler experienced and will experience loss and also win. I this case, we may lose several times in gambling but we also probably win several times. About how much we lose or win will depend on each gambler itself.
In this case, some reasons may influence the gmabler of winning or losing their money.
Some professional gamblers may experience many losses in the past and they could learn from their mistakes, and turn into big winning often the loss right now.
But, if we are only a gambler, with no good experiences and also risk management, analysis of our losses, and we don't take the lesson, we may often lose, moreover of we are very greedy and only pay for luck.
3838  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which is the most popular game in gambling field ? on: April 12, 2021, 10:55:13 PM
If it is based on articles, maybe there are several top gamblings.
However, I personally think that maybe sports betting and slot games are popular enough. We can see many platforms offer these two betting or gambling. SO, doesn't it mean that they are two very popular? However, I actually also not sure enough whether it is the best thing because it may be different from one person to another nad about the favorite things to have, And now, we can see how the gambling field is actually very developing and we have so many choices or options on it
3839  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: The knowledge we seek on: April 12, 2021, 10:50:25 PM
It may be different as a newbie or beginner in this forum and also a beginner in cryptocurrency.
However, they are the same base don the knowledge wiliness to search for. As we know, everything that we will concern about should be clear enough. ANd to make it clear enough, I am sure that everybody will always learn and also look for the knowledge. Knowledge is the basic.

As a beginner or even not a beginner, being scammed in crypto may be very usual. However,  it will depend on us how to make ourselves scammed or avoid it and free from it. The criminals in cryptocurrencies are everywhere and we don't know what is true.

In this case, we can see how the people are seeking knowledge about this forum, crypto, and also everything. Actually, this forum really serves so many things that we need. It can be got if we are willing to read and learn about it
3840  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing only for the rich? Think again on: April 12, 2021, 10:46:34 PM
Several years ago, maybe yes, I personally only thought that investment is only for the rich man because they have much money to buy property, gold, stocks, and also other investment.
However, after knowing cryptocurrency, my mind has changed and I know the meaning of investment.
If you say that investment in bitcoin is also for Richman only, we may not be fully sure because everybody can get their starting amount to invest. I know that the more you invest, the more you profit. But it doesn't mean that we cannot invest although the amount is small enough, We can start from small and becomes big and big again.
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