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3821  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: December 27, 2022, 09:17:36 PM
^^^ Don't forget all the money being laundered through the banks that are making the transfers of US money to Ukraine. They get their cut, just like the Bidens and the crooked Congress of the US... to say nothing about many others.

I wonder how much of the money sent by the US filters its way into Russia.

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3822  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pelosi's Office Was Directly Involved In Failed Jan. 6 Security... on: December 27, 2022, 09:09:07 PM
The point wasn't Pelosi's security and safety. The point was the safety of the Capitol.

Pelosi was asked by members of Congress and others, to authorize strengthening of Capitol security. She wouldn't do it. By not doing it, she essentially had a role in the Jan. 6 rioting. She should be on trial with the other rioters... as one of the leaders, and the perpetrator.

If she had strengthened Capitol security as she was asked, the whole riot would have broken down before it got started. And there wouldn't even be any accusation against Trump. Since she wanted an excuse to accuse Trump (even though he didn't have anything to do with it), she kept the security lax, so that anybody could have done the rioting.

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3823  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin families on: December 27, 2022, 06:42:32 PM
The question I would ask is, if a man and a woman voluntarily get together and have children, how is it that the government can require the children to go to school where the teacher (from a different thread) might teach them all kinds of stuff that the parents don't agree with? After all, nobody other than the parents (except for God) had a hand in making the children. So, why are the children not more like their property than simply children?

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I think calling the children the parents' property puts parents at the same level as the government, both fighting to be the rightful owner. Ironically, this is what makes the parents themselves disagree regarding their offspring, to the point of divorce and custody litigation.  

If you study families and human history, you realise Mother and Father represent the interests of their own parents and lineage, which has little to do with individual interest in a libertarian sense. This is why in-laws are annoying and why we have political left and right.

Parents ARE government over their children.

The parents didn't fight each other when making the children. They did it by mutual agreement, even though they might not have been expecting or hoping for a child. HOWEVER, if the parents aren't the owner, why should the government be? Government didn't have any hand in the actual creation of the children, but the parents did. If we leave the children without a government at all, they will die in a few days after being born. If the parents neglect the children, they have essentially abandoned their ownership. Government might take over because there are some loving people in government directing it that way.

It's like you. You own some canvas and brushes and paint. They are your property. You paint a picture. Isn't the picture your property, as well? Or does the government own you and your painting property, and they can own your painting because of this?

There are all kinds of things that go on around a family... politics and otherwise. It doesn't have anything to do with ownership of the children except if the parents give up the ownership. People/parents don't always agree with THEIR parents and extended family.


Let me edit what BADecker wrote, for illustration purposes:


So, let's say that you have a God. How did that God get to be your God? Several possible ways:
1. It was your parents' God, and when you became an adult, you simply kept it as your God out of habit;
2. You selected it as your God for whatever reason. So, it was by agreement, even if that agreement was only with yourself;
3. You were forced by your parents to accept a God... like a hostage situation, where your captors tell you to obey or die.

There are possibly other ways that a God became your God. But in every case, it was by your own choice.

So, this is what I mean by the relationship between family, God and government. If we rage against any of those things, we are essentially having an argument with our family of origin, and this argument continues when we have children.


Well, actually, you are wrong. God became the God of everyone by HIS choice. Just because they don't acknowledge Him, doesn't mean that they are suddenly outside of Him and His authority. And they really don't want to be, because they couldn't hold themselves alive outside of His power and authority. It is God Who is holding us all alive all the time. God, out of love for His creatures, maintains them even though they are against Him, or totally  ignore Him.

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3824  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Kari Lake Trial SHOCK: 42.5% of Ballots Were Illegally Printed... on: December 27, 2022, 12:50:22 PM
This is going to get nasty. Lake will appeal one way or another.

The Judge totally denied the idea of circumstantial evidence, something that has existed in the courts for ages.

Somebody should start a lawsuit similar to the Brunson suit that is in the US Supreme court... against Judge Thompson, for violating his oath of office.

If Lake wins her suit in a higher court, by the time that this has been done, and she becomes governor, she will have a much larger job in office, cleaning out all the corruption Hobbs will have set into play.


Judge Peter Thompson Rules Elections with Broken Machines in 60% of Precincts and No Chain of Custody for Ballots Are Free, Fair and Certifiable


A gutless Arizona judge on Saturday dismissed Kari Lake's election lawsuit against Democrat Katie Hobbs in the stolen 2022 midterm election.

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson found Kari Lake's lawyers had not proven Maricopa officials committed any kind of misconduct.

Kari Lake will appeal the ruling.

Judge Peter Thompson ruled that when 60% of election centers have broken machines and hundreds of thousands of ballots are counted without chain of custody, this constitutes a free and fair election.

It is crooked officials like Judge Thompson who will bring down this great nation.

Here again, are the key points ignored by Judge Thompson in Kari Lake's lawsuit.

Judge Thompson had to go out of his way to ignore Arizona election laws to dismiss this case.

Kari Lake delivered the following press release two weeks ago.

Kari Lake files devastating lawsuit detailing massive failures on election day in Maricopa County

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3825  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When political ambitions tend to cause war in the society. on: December 27, 2022, 12:39:07 PM
The politician already milked his own people by getting the political job. But that wasn't enough. Now he wants to get more from other countries. So he talks his own people into preparing for war, and then going to war... just to steal from other countries... so he gets more.

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3826  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: December 27, 2022, 12:36:32 PM
^^^ Are these coincidences? So we see that it is not Russia who is the aggressor.

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3827  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should Ukraine Surrender? on: December 27, 2022, 12:28:52 PM
^^^ Ukraine doesn't want peace. They have been killing people and destroying property in the Donbas and other areas since at least 2014. All they want is to make it look like Russia is the aggressor.

Does Russia want peace? Well, think about it. They gave freedom to a whole bunch of Satellite countries in 1991 so that there would be peace. While it's true that they fought skirmishes here and there since 1991, most of the time they were trying to act like the US. All they were doing were police actions here and there, just like the US has done in dozens of places around the world.

Russia might have a few military bases in a few countries. But it is nothing like the number of military bases the US has around the world... just to maintain the peace, they say. Since the funding and armament of Ukraine is the real proof that Ukraine is a military base for the US, it is the US that doesn't want peace.

Ukraine HAS already surrendered... to the United States. This is the reason why they are fighting in this Russian police action. It is US prompted and US promoted. Ukraine needs to clean out its corrupt government, bring back the millions of their people who have fled the war to other countries, and take a proper vote of all its people. If they did that, they would side with Russia long before they would side with the US.

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3828  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SpaceX and the prospects of Mars colonization. on: December 27, 2022, 12:16:37 AM
The idea of SpaceX going to Mars sometime, is mostly a big piece of advertising. It is being spread to keep people interested, so Musk gets money.

I say this because the US had the ability to easily go to Mars back in the 1960s. Check out To the stars by atom bomb: The incredible tale of the top secret Orion Project - https://newatlas.com/orion-project-atom-bomb-spaceship/49454/.

Back then there might have been some problems regarding radiation or other things. But these could be overcome much more easily today.

Now, if Musk said that he was going to use SpaceX to re-start the original, top secret Orion Project, and that such was the reason why he wanted to go to the moon... to do it from there rather than the earth... there might be some logic to SpaceX and Mars.

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3829  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should Ukraine Surrender? on: December 27, 2022, 12:07:08 AM
^^^ Even now Japan is a country that values honor. When they surrendered in WW2, they had to decide which was more honorable:
1. To admit that they lost the war and surrender;
2. To be destroyed as a nation... maybe entirely nuked.

When Ukraine is totally destroyed, many people will honor their big sacrifice, and their fortitude in not giving up until they all died. In a couple of decades, most people will have forgotten all about Ukraine.

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3830  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If war starting soon where is the safest locations on: December 27, 2022, 12:00:30 AM

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The problem with Mauritius is it is a smaller Island and if shit really got bad it may suffer food issues.

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Right. And nobody wants to eat fish out of the ocean any longer. Too much plastic pollution in it.

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3831  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: December 26, 2022, 11:58:22 PM

I feel so sad for you.

Don't you realize that 3 US companies have bought up 60% of Ukraine farmland? And don't you know that one of them is Monsanto, a company with proven records of spraying crops with poisons that kill and maim people? And you would invite them in, right?

And don't you realize that the US has supplied almost $100 billion in armament and cash to Ukraine? And didn't you know that the US is promising more?

Is the US buying up Ukraine land because they love the Ukraine people? Don't you realize that you and the Ukrainian people are selling your souls to the US?  You aren't dying in this war for freedom. All you are doing is dying for a different master.

I don't have to provide you with misdirection and disinformation. You are providing yourself with all of that. All you have to do is look at the news where the US is admitting to all of this... which is essentially making Ukraine a slave for them. Ukraine is being sold into slavery by the same people (US) who you think are helping you out. And they are getting your boys and girls to fight and die for them so they, themselves, don't even have to come in and die in your war that they provoked Russia into starting.

And you can't even see it, right under your nose.

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Sources please? Monsanto is not a landowner, is a biotech company. They are not interested in owning land, but rather selling their GMO seeds to people and companies that actually produce food.

 On top of that:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/09/13/fact-check-ukraines-president-did-not-sell-farmland-us-companies/7942775001/

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The claim is baseless. Under Ukrainian law, foreign entities cannot own land. The president does not have the power to sell land, according to Frederic Mousseau, policy director at the progressive think tank Oakland Institute.

The US has supplied around 3 billion in weapons https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60774098.

US has never claimed to "love Ukrainian people" nor for that matter the people of any other country in the world. US is supporting Ukraine because they would rather not have the RF and particularly the current government pressing near the border of close allies and for many other reasons.

It is clear that there will be mutually beneficial trade agreements between EU, USA and Ukraine, which is absolutely normal between countries that share similar ideas and are becoming allies.


Sounds like you are beginning to wake up a little. The US absolutely DOESN'T love Ukraine. And they will prove it when they cut their losses and back out.

However, you used usatoday.com as one of your examples. Did you look at that website url? What does it say? USA Today. Don't you realize, yet, that USA Today is part of the US media propaganda machine? I know, I know. You have been taking lessons.

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3832  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OMG! Putin ready to negotiate?! on: December 26, 2022, 11:46:38 PM
Searches are contradictory about HIMARS being destroyed, and about the number of them in Ukraine. Sometimes the number claimed to having been destroyed, far exceeds the number claimed to exist in Ukraine.


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I know it's pointless to ask you such questions, but could you give us links to these searches? But at one point you're probably right. Number of HIMARS that Russia is claiming to have destroyed probably exceeds number that was actually supplied to Ukraine. Reports about it from Russian Defense Ministry comes almost on daily basis, though, they never show any proffs.
Don't feel bad. There are lots of folks who don't know how to use a search engine. It ain't my job to be your teacher. But I might consider it for enough pay in bitcoins, in advance.



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I also believe their exclusion from the world cup must have also been one of the reasons for the Christmas decision to negotiate.
How they can be excluded from World Cup when they didn't even got qualified to it? And in general, that would be one of the most ridiculous reasons from all possible to start to negotiate.

Right. As far as setting records, Russia set all kinds of world records in 'cup stuff', back in the '70s and '80s. If they ever started an internal 'cup operation', many other nations would be dying to enter. In fact, that is what is happening to Ukraine right now... pun intended.


Putin has wanted to negotiate for a long time.
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That's what he always SAYS, which is just ridiculous. If he really wanted to negotiate, he would start by withdrawing all the russian troops from Ukraine. There can be no negotiations as long as they get their way and keep invading sovereign countries. Again, if Putin gets to have his way, his genocide won't stop to Ukraine.

You are mixing up the idea of negotiating with the results of the negotiations. Negotiating doesn't mean Putin has to give up the war, pull out of Ukraine, and then we will negotiate. But that is what's being required of him for negotiations to even start... and other ridiculous stuff.

Negotiations means talk, right now. Zelensky is the one who won't negotiate until Putin does some things the Russians won't do, at least without negotiations. If Zelensky would talk with Putin, they might find a way to end the war that both could be acceptable with.

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3833  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Good idea If you want to end any war on: December 26, 2022, 11:30:30 PM

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You see it's easy Wink


Indeed is easy from where you are typing all these, this is WAR we're talking about real life scenarios, not some war mission video game that whenever you die you have to restart. Do you think following all these people or searching for them is easy? Come to think of it, do you think someone like PUTIN is ready to take orders from anybody?
Is really not easy as you say it...

Right! If Putin were taking orders from former Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev, Ukraine would be totally gone right now. And the world might be in a worldwide, active WW3.

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3834  Other / Politics & Society / Re: World population is now 8 billion. on: December 26, 2022, 11:24:47 PM
^^^ Right! The only thing that is accurate is that we don't have near enough people on earth. We need more people so that we get more thinkers and developers, so that they figure out how to let all people live in top health for hundreds of years. As it is, we are dying usually in less than 100 years. And we want fewer people so we don't ever figure out how to live longer. How pathetic we are.

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3835  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should Ukraine Surrender? on: December 26, 2022, 11:21:09 PM
We're all away of the lingering crisis which has befallen Ukraine since its invasion by the Russian military. Since then all effort put in place to restore peace has so far proven abortive. Lives and properties have been destroyed and billions of dollars spent yet, Russia has refused to back off and Ukraine refused to surrender.

Now I'm pushed to ask if you were to be the Ukraine president, would you consider to surrender so as to stop this continuous destruction or prefer to continue the defense?

Putin needs to die two or three Russian generals need to "commit" suicide and then Russia can fully leave and also surrender the part of the Ukraine they took back in 2014.

All other endings will be a fucking mess for the entire world.

Russia can simple say this was Putin and the 2/3 dead generals fault and we gave you back the disputed part of Ukraine.

Then they can hunker down and figure a different way to win back the Ukraine. In 2056 or so.

This does not mean I flavor the Ukraine over Russia. It means I am a realist and the price to continue the war is too costly at this time. (for all the world not just for Ukraine or Russia)

Just be glad Dmitry Medvedev isn't running Russia any longer. If he were still there, Russia would have been building a massive military for the last 5 to 10 years, and Ukraine wouldn't have been any obstacle at all. There simply wouldn't be a Ukraine.

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3836  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should Ukraine Surrender? on: December 26, 2022, 04:32:59 PM
Since the Ukraine has surrendered to the US - I mean, they are going to want reimbursement for all the money they have given to Ukraine - the only question is how long the US will keep on holding them up. Sure, Biden has guaranteed to remain with Ukraine as long as it takes, but he might be out of the presidency in 2024. It seems that the US is already slowing down regarding its support for Ukraine.

So, the question is, will Ukraine surrender to Russia the nest time it surrenders?

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3837  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 26, 2022, 04:17:43 PM
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Whoa!! I have visions of what will happen in the future that come to pass too!.. like for instance, I had this vision last night that the sun would come up in the morning,
...and lo and behold, the sun came up!... its fucking magic!!! ...  


 But anyway, ateotd ............... it's why I'm an atheist.

 

https://i.imgur.com/3IW9d6u.png  

Well, that just goes to show you, by your own admittance, that you don't really know how the universe works. The sun doesn't come up in the morning. Rather, the Earth turns so that a different section of it faces the sun.

So, learn a little science so that you can stop spouting magic. All you are proving is that your atheism is a religion.

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The book of Genesis is full of magic. ROFL.

How old is Earth, again? Please do tell us.

Please do tell us your views on evolution. LOL.

Science my ass.

Creation isn't magic. Rather, it's a miracle.

From the best ancient history records, the earth is about 7,500 years old in our current age. Even second best records show that our current age is probably less than 10,000 years old, but couldn't be more than 25,000 years old. All told, no human knows how old the universe really is.

If you are talking about standard Evolution Theory (ET) type of evolution, ET absolutely destroys evolution, and this whole evolution idea is simply a trick being played on the minds of evolutionists. For you, I will say the reason again. Here it is:

Study Cause and Effect (C&E). Everything operates by C&E. There is nothing that happens without being caused. There is no truly spontaneous action that ever happens. At least, we haven't found any. In fact, a truly spontaneous action doesn't even fit how the physics of the universe works.

Because of this, random mutations in ET are not spontaneous happenings. Rather, random simply means that we don't know the mutations that make evolutionary changes. Since we don't know which or what mutations, how do we know that evolution exists at all? We don't! It's all guesswork.

People who absolutely believe that evolution exists something like ET states, have a religion-like idea going for themselves, because random in ET says that we don't know.


Yep. Stuff you are talking about isn't science. Rather, it is science fiction, some of which might accidentally happen to be true once in a while. But you don't know it.

Try supplementing on Gingko Biloba and Focus Factor. They might help you to think better. No; seriously. No belittlement meant.

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3838  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: December 26, 2022, 03:37:14 PM

I feel so sad for you.

Don't you realize that 3 US companies have bought up 60% of Ukraine farmland? And don't you know that one of them is Monsanto, a company with proven records of spraying crops with poisons that kill and maim people? And you would invite them in, right?

And don't you realize that the US has supplied almost $100 billion in armament and cash to Ukraine? And didn't you know that the US is promising more?

Is the US buying up Ukraine land because they love the Ukraine people? Don't you realize that you and the Ukrainian people are selling your souls to the US?  You aren't dying in this war for freedom. All you are doing is dying for a different master.

I don't have to provide you with misdirection and disinformation. You are providing yourself with all of that. All you have to do is look at the news where the US is admitting to all of this... which is essentially making Ukraine a slave for them. Ukraine is being sold into slavery by the same people (US) who you think are helping you out. And they are getting your boys and girls to fight and die for them so they, themselves, don't even have to come in and die in your war that they provoked Russia into starting.

And you can't even see it, right under your nose.

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Check your sources.
https://fullfact.org/news/ukraine-land-sales-zelenskyy/

They invested in the Ukrainian AG industry. Ukrainian law bans foreign companies (or individuals) from owning land in Ukraine.


You don't seem to understand proxy ownership, do you?

Consider twitter. twitter banned a large number of people and organizations, including Trump, because of their Republican slanted tweets. It started when the FBI suggested to twitter that these people weren't appropriate tweeters. So, twitter banned them, voluntarily. Then the FBI reimbursed twitter for its losses from banning those people.

Did the FBI pay twitter to ban people? No. twitter did it completely voluntarily. Then the FBI paid them for doing it.

Did the FBI pay twitter to ban people? Now, we see that, Yes, they did. Nobody knows what kinds of talk went on behind closed doors between twitter people and the FBI. But the fact is, twitter did it, and then got paid by the FBI.

Further, now we are seeing that twitter was an arm of the FBI. twitter might not have succeeded at all if they hadn't been propped up and used by the FBI to indoctrinate people in the twitter world.

The point? Just because a US company's name might not be on a Ukrainian land deed, doesn't mean they don't own the land through private agreements and money flow between them and the Ukrainians whose names are on the deed.

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3839  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: December 26, 2022, 02:51:56 AM
^^^ Since the US is the cause of the war through the 2014 Ukraine coup, and the gigantic amount of funding, the US first, by backing out of Ukraine in every way, and by starting to repay Russia.
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Misdirection, disinformation and just lies every time you reply, literally from a playbook of russian troll factory, just to spread confusion so that people wouldn't know what to believe. Trying to tire people with random links they would have to follow or just flood the forums with some already debunked conspiracies and lies.

So forgive me not taking your arguments seriously. If you knew any ukrainian people or even lived near by russian propaganda you might have some empathy that you could apply to this.

And your pseudo-intellectual "US propaganda" rants just shows the lack of education, which is something that's free in my country by the way.

I feel so sad for you.

Don't you realize that 3 US companies have bought up 60% of Ukraine farmland? And don't you know that one of them is Monsanto, a company with proven records of spraying crops with poisons that kill and maim people? And you would invite them in, right?

And don't you realize that the US has supplied almost $100 billion in armament and cash to Ukraine? And didn't you know that the US is promising more?

Is the US buying up Ukraine land because they love the Ukraine people? Don't you realize that you and the Ukrainian people are selling your souls to the US?  You aren't dying in this war for freedom. All you are doing is dying for a different master.

I don't have to provide you with misdirection and disinformation. You are providing yourself with all of that. All you have to do is look at the news where the US is admitting to all of this... which is essentially making Ukraine a slave for them. Ukraine is being sold into slavery by the same people (US) who you think are helping you out. And they are getting your boys and girls to fight and die for them so they, themselves, don't even have to come in and die in your war that they provoked Russia into starting.

And you can't even see it, right under your nose.

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3840  Other / Politics & Society / Re: OMG! Putin ready to negotiate?! on: December 25, 2022, 10:05:00 PM
Putin haws wanted to negotiate for a long time. But it's difficult to negotiate with anybody whose strings are being pulled by the conniving US, and the jokers who pull the strings of the US.

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news about Putin being willing to negotiate again emerged after the US met with the Ukrainian president to discuss something.  apart from that, from the news i have read, the strong reason for the tough negotiations so far is that NATO continues to interfere and influence the decisions that will occur in both countries.  for humanitarian reasons, i support both countries ending their war.

Ending the war is a good idea. Ending all wars is a good idea. Let Russia pull out of Ukraine, let the US pull out of Ukraine, let Nato influences pull out of Ukraine, dissolve Nato.






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Searches are contradictory about HIMARS being destroyed, and about the number of them in Ukraine. Sometimes the number claimed to having been destroyed, far exceeds the number claimed to exist in Ukraine.


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