The scary thing is, if we could have done something about North Korea, we would have done it long ago. The comfort lies in the fact that if they could have done something about us, they would have done it long ago.  |
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If you want to fly from New York to L.A., you get online and get an almost instant comparison of most of the different major airlines, their prices, the days they fly, layovers, etc. If you want to purchase products, you do the same... at least for many different kinds of products. Barter is only one further step. Bitcoin is a medium of exchange that takes most of the power away from the controllers of the world. Computerized barter would take it all away. Bitcoin is the stepping stone to computerized barter. Computerized barter compares and trades not only products and services, but wages, as well. Once MaidSafe (or something like it) gets going, Internet will be ripped out of the hands of the controllers. Once a full barter program gets going, where one barters perceived value of everything in life that he barters, the true value of jobs will present itself. People will be paid based on what they can trade their self-worth for. They will be paid by products and services rather than by Bitcoin. Fiat will be long gone. Once this catches on, there will be no stopping it. Innovation will be based on true innovative value, rather than some private interest group or company manipulating the world by keeping an invention off the market. Free energy will come about, because Tesla inventions (and others) won't be able to be stifled any longer. Then the stars will be open to us. |
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Nowadays Christians (e.g. BADecker) denounce Hatonn as Satanic. However, Christ's name was not Jesus until long after his "death". How many know this?? The early Christian messages were not a uniform creed. These tapes also talk about Stephen, so they are worth listening to. Most important of all is that Blakjag is a science fiction ideas plagiarist.  |
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Atlast i m happy now !!
2 of em hanged !
Upside down. |
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How do you know this for a fact? Any evidence at all? ... exactly how many angels fit on the head of a pin. All of them, and none of them, and any number of them in between all and none, and all of this at the same time or any variety of different times, or any variety of different and same times, etc. |
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Not only is Bitcoin government confiscation, but also it is bank and money confiscation. It's about time the people got to confiscate government, banks and money... using Bitcoin. |
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Africa is not stuck in the stone age, there are some great stories evolving there, incredible entrepreneurial energy being unleashed right now
M-Pesa |
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Some other joker who has been bad all his life dies and goes to Heaven. Doesn't seem fair. But happens reasonably often. How do you know this for a fact? Any evidence at all? In the Bible N.T. (Acts of the Apostles), immediately before the stoning of Stephen, Stephen said that he saw God (right then, in a vision), and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. The Pharisees and their fellow Jews, who were already upset with Stephen, covered their ears so that they wouldn't hear any more that Stephen might say. Then they took him out and stoned him to death. Perhaps if you looked at and read some of my posts in this thread, you wouldn't have to repeatedly ask the same or similar questions, Blakjag. It IS kinda fun watching you stumble around, though. |
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Too bad (or maybe an obvious good thing for some here) none of us on this thread will have a real genuine African perspective for a minimum counter argument. At least we have real genuine muslims counter arguing and pushing back on my thread Quite strangely, it would appear there is ignorance of North Africa vs. Sub Saharan Africa. Guys, we are talking about a CONTINENT here. Not a country. A study and critic of countries after countries of the African continent makes perfect sense in this thread. But Africaaaaa!?!   Sebastien Foucan - Casino Royale |
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at least you can get your ears cleaned... /sarc what you fail to see in this chart is the accessibility of young woman for those corrupts enough to destroy a society for their sexual pleasure. In China, It's called those of coming from the setting sun in arms where all the corrupts have no choice but surrenders their ways and weapons, because they realize that like in all thing corruption can't stand the test of the Path, and that once the time to die has come better leave in peace so that mercy can be found in death. I start to feel that trough Japan history some men have taken a little bit of knowledge from China and imposed their will on others in Japan until someone more knowledgeable came and repeat the same circus. Empire building is boring, all paths have been seen, love, kindness, harmony and prosperity are harder, there is no fog of war to hide in. We will know 01.
Can anyone translate this to comprehensible English? Sorry I can't understand what he is saying. Reads like gibberish to me. I think he is trying to say that while we few Bible people argue about the Bible, there are great groups of orientals that have something entirely different to say. |
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Not again with this again. There is no proof, there never has been any. Stop making such threads until you actually have proof. a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
Reasoning. Reasoning. I like reasoning. Reasoning says that there is an extremely great God. It says it in the facts that... 1. The universe is full of tremendously great complexity... 2. at the same time that there is entropy in everything... 3. which couldn't happen without randomness... 4. but we only see cause and effect (no randomness)... 5. yet the hearts of millions and billions of people recognize the spiritual reality of God. Reasoning. |
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No evil. Only various levels of glory and joy. What glory and joy comes from a lack of risk and competition? Who says that there won't be risk or competition? If God makes it so that there will be glory and joy in everything, then there will be joy and glory in everything.
Do I have to have sex all day with the same woman for the rest of eternity? What else can I do with my time, if there is no competition and risk any more? Become an alcoholic?
We don't know what it will be like, but it will be glorious and joyful.
The Bible is correct, there is time for everything. A time to live and a time to die. A man who can't compete might as well be dead. That is what we are here for. We get old and our loves one take care of us as we prepare to go back to the dirt and give way to the young guys.
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If I were absolutely doubt free, then I could be sure. Since I am not, I can only work the best that I can in the ways that will increase my faith, while hoping that God will take care of the rest.
And I can work as best as I can at being good so my life and legacy is not too horrible, yet I don't have to risk some horrendous eternal pain afterlife. Heaven has never been described in a way that sounded appealing to me. Nothing that was different from this Universe could be interesting. A world with no evil, well then there can't be any discernable good. A world with no competition, risk of failure and change? Then there is no point of doing a darn thing. Just sit around on my arse all day eating grapes. At least the Koran promises virgins. No evil. Only various levels of glory and joy. EDIT: Why not be joyful for someone else who has a greater level of glory and joy than I do? |
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The point? Since you can see that God is right about murder, why would you think He is wrong about the things He says about salvation?
Because logic is my strong suite. I can see that it doesn't take Godly power to predict that murder leads to bad outcomes. That is not predictive of a God. Nearly any one could tell you that even if they never read the Bible. There is deeper wisdom in the Bible that is more convincing and is what held me for a while, e.g. the Parable of the Talents, Jesus astute point in Mathew 7 about how judging others is mutually destructive, and Jesus's point in Mathew 6:5 about true faith is not showing it to anyone. But I explained upthread why on balance overall the logic of the Bible fails IMO. It seems to be based on false hope and fear, which are not positive attributes. Say, I'm not trying to tear you away from what you believe in. Even God doesn't do that. So, why would I? Do you deny the scripture? It says only 144,000 will be saved during the Tribulation. Or if the 144,000 is not literal then the Bible is great ambiguous hogwash subject to any interpretation a person desires. If you truly think that, you either haven't delved into the Revelation, or else you are just playing with me. There are lots of strawmen theories we can build by trying to build puzzles out of scriptures. I also know that Jesus explained why he spoke in parables. They try to make it seem like it is prize if you can build a strawmen that fits your desired delusion. The Bible is a cleverly constructed psychological weapon. I even fell for it, because it preys on our weakness. Do you mean that you haven't figured out why the "Bible is a cleverly constructed psychological weapon" yet? The reason is that the devil placed a bit of himself into us, genetically, at the time the first two people succumbed to his temptations in the Garden. The Bible has to be cleverly constructed, so that it can root out the devil in us while saving us, hopefully. The lady in the desert is saved because she was blameless. Who amongst us is blameless? The lady in the desert is representative of the true church of God (not the Roman Catholic earthly church). The Child she bore is representative of Jesus. The true church of God IS blameless, because they believe in Jesus. The Revelation has a lot of picturesque language. I am aware of the abstract descriptions of churches in Revelation and what will happen to each one. But there is no way to know which church you belong to. The definitions are not precise. Belief in Jesus alone is not sufficient. To the Church in Philadelphia 7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. Where is the precise definition? Who has kept all his words with their deeds, i.e. who is blameless? Avoid the bad parts of all the churches. Embrace the good parts of all the churches. Seems to me you like the filipinos where I am, think of all the good things they can get from God, but ignore the harsh realities of the punishment God will mete out to most people. I don't like pain any more than anyone. I thank God that He has allowed me a reasonably pain-free life so far. God doesn't mete out punishment by desire. He allows it in the circumstances of this life at times. He will do it in the "afterdeath" because that is what those people chose for themselves. How are you so sure that "those" isn't you? When you have felt this indescribable pain, you will may suddenly take this question much more seriously and literally. It is very difficult for a human to walk in another's shoes until they have. I see you only focus on the great hope and you don't think any of the risk applies to you. That to me is delusion. If I were absolutely doubt free, then I could be sure. Since I am not, I can only work the best that I can in the ways that will increase my faith, while hoping that God will take care of the rest. Because if it did, I would have to select the pain over missing out on salvation.
Ha. When you feel such pain, I will see if you still say that after some years to reflect on it. When I first came through the pain, I told myself I had some idea what Hell is, and it reaffirmed my desire to avoid hell. But now I looked rationally the offer the Bible has given me, and there is no way to know which church I would be in and what outcome would come to me. What does anyone having pain change in the truth of God and the universe? The churches listed in the beginning of the Revelation were earthly churches, earthly churches that Jesus chose to be examples of areas where churches can succeed or fail. Be a part of the woman in the desert church, the only church that counts. |
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I feel so cheated with your short response...  Saying that servants in the OT someway equate to service workers today is pretty LOL. How many "servants" does the OT say you can have? How many days can you beat them without punishment from god? In society today, can you beat your servants i mean service workers or employees or whatever else you want to equate them to? Can you also sell or trade their offspring today, like you could when the original holy book was written? Come on bud, you are either just messing around or....uhh hopefully just messing around. *Thank you for complimenting my avatar, i wonder if its the only commonality we share See? Just what I don't want to do. Play word games. Your avatar seems to suggest that you like to do it. |
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Oh this is going to be bad, there is no adult discussion possible about religion in general, because in the end it's called 'believe', and it's difficult to have a discussion about something that is hard to prove and experience if you are not into it.
In terms of hate, any book, followed by millions that is taken out of context to harm any living thing is something I despise.
The difference is the things you see when you place the religious writings side by side. Then you can see the evidences. Believe? Do you believe that you can post another comment in this forum? If yes, do you also know it for a fact? Is there the slightest possibility that the electricity might fail right before you hit "Enter?" Is there absolutely no chance that your ISP will fail you right before you hit "Enter?" You believe lots of things, just like everyone else. But nobody knows for an absolute certainty what will happen until it does. I believe I'll have another beer. I'll let you know if it happens But seriously, there are different contexts to "belief". I tend to hold that the great humorist Mark Twain got it right when he said that "Faith is the belief in what you know ain't so", as opposed to a belief that, barring a supernova, the sun will tomorrow once again appear to rise in the east due to the rotation of the planet. ...and the beer is quite good. You got it, man. The taste of the beer is the evidence that it is quite good. Hope it doesn't kill you to prove that it isn't. (drunken Cherokee grin) I shall bow to your profound wisdom on this one, sir! Nice to see a little levity here. And you are quite right about anarchy. Anarchy is absolutely not chaos. But after watching the governments of the world for a while, I am beginning to think that it might be... at least in the governments. |
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I don't see logically nor mathematically how any evidence of outcomes in this life can be evidence of an afterlife. I meant correlations. God says, "Do not murder." If you listen, you have a peaceful life. If you don't listen, and you go out and murder, not only does your conscience get you, but the police catch you, the judge pronounces 20 years in the slammer. Your life isn't fun anymore. The point? Since you can see that God is right about murder, why would you think He is wrong about the things He says about salvation? Up to you, though. Do you deny the scripture? It says only 144,000 will be saved during the Tribulation. Or if the 144,000 is not literal then the Bible is great ambiguous hogwash subject to any interpretation a person desires. If you truly think that, you either haven't delved into the Revelation, or else you are just playing with me. The lady in the desert is saved because she was blameless. Who amongst us is blameless? The lady in the desert is representative of the true church of God (not the Roman Catholic earthly church). The Child she bore is representative of Jesus. The true church of God IS blameless, because they believe in Jesus. The Revelation has a lot of picturesque language.
Seems to me you like the filipinos where I am, think of all the good things they can get from God, but ignore the harsh realities of the punishment God will mete out to most people.
I don't like pain any more than anyone. I thank God that He has allowed me a reasonably pain-free life so far. God doesn't mete out punishment by desire. He allows it in the circumstances of this life at times. He will do it in the "afterdeath" because that is what those people chose for themselves. I know what is feels like to be disemboweled without pain medication. You have no comprehension what horror it would be to have that occur for perpetuity. The Bible makes no definitive statement as to how to classify precisely who will receive that punishment and who will not. You choose to feel all giddy about the part of the Bible you like, and ignore the parts you don't like.
God doesn't want that kind of pain for anyone. I sure hope my eternal salvation doesn't depend on that kind of pain. Because if it did, I would have to select the pain over missing out on salvation. And I don't like pain any more than anyone else. |
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Oh this is going to be bad, there is no adult discussion possible about religion in general, because in the end it's called 'believe', and it's difficult to have a discussion about something that is hard to prove and experience if you are not into it.
In terms of hate, any book, followed by millions that is taken out of context to harm any living thing is something I despise.
The difference is the things you see when you place the religious writings side by side. Then you can see the evidences. Believe? Do you believe that you can post another comment in this forum? If yes, do you also know it for a fact? Is there the slightest possibility that the electricity might fail right before you hit "Enter?" Is there absolutely no chance that your ISP will fail you right before you hit "Enter?" You believe lots of things, just like everyone else. But nobody knows for an absolute certainty what will happen until it does. I believe I'll have another beer. I'll let you know if it happens But seriously, there are different contexts to "belief". I tend to hold that the great humorist Mark Twain got it right when he said that "Faith is the belief in what you know ain't so", as opposed to a belief that, barring a supernova, the sun will tomorrow once again appear to rise in the east due to the rotation of the planet. ...and the beer is quite good. You got it, man. The taste of the beer is the evidence that it is quite good. Hope it doesn't kill you to prove that it isn't. |
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Oh this is going to be bad, there is no adult discussion possible about religion in general, because in the end it's called 'believe', and it's difficult to have a discussion about something that is hard to prove and experience if you are not into it.
In terms of hate, any book, followed by millions that is taken out of context to harm any living thing is something I despise.
The difference is the things you see when you place the religious writings side by side. Then you can see the evidences. Believe? Do you believe that you can post another comment in this forum? If yes, do you also know it for a fact? Is there the slightest possibility that the electricity might fail right before you hit "Enter?" Is there absolutely no chance that your ISP will fail you right before you hit "Enter?" You believe lots of things, just like everyone else. But nobody knows for an absolute certainty what will happen until it does. |
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It is probably because you don't want your idealism to die. This probably inspires you to act ethically in this life. That was my reason for following Christianity for a while. But it reached a breaking point for me recently when someone told me most people will face Tribulations in 2019. I couldn't reconcile how a religion could make people feel so hopeless. I'd rather keep trying to help the world (in spite of dark clouds looming on the horizon of potential global collapse and maybe even a global pandemic, etc thus appearing like a Tribulation such as the Black Death that killed 60% of Europe's population), than hunker down into a binary mode of either delusion of my assurance or fear of my impending doom. I realized this religion weapon of mass delusion is all about spreading fear and false pride. When religion changed from love to fear and doom, I realized I was in the wrong place and I started to think about it logically. Should I really live in fear or false pride? I thought it over and I found these inconsistencies.
Too bad you let someone distract you from the joys of Heaven by placing your focus on some tribulation time. Everyone dies... or so it seems. That's a fact of this life... or so it seems. Will rejecting the truth change this? Personally, I think that it will at best make things worse. Any ideals that people have should be greatly increased by the hope of an everlasting life of joy with God in Heaven. What distracted you? Or didn't you really believe it in the first place? |
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