Ebay or here is a good place to look, usually get good deals here especially if you are looking at purchasing more than 1 unit.
Normally forum price here is less then ebay. But ebay you get buyer protection if it craps out or is a dud. So there are advantages on both. But as far as price it's going to be cheaper here on the forum. Just make sure to use escrow when buying something that big. |
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https://blockchain.info/blocks386679 (Main Chain) 2015-12-04 12:48:18 386589 (Main Chain) 2015-12-04 00:06:35 91 blocks in 12 hours 48 minutes should be 77 so looks like back up from 141 to 160 plus this is the big swing pattern continuing . note the 160 is a projection for end of day today. Interesting on how big of swing, we have seen a variety that is for sure about this period. The good news is price is heading right direction as of this moment. Its around 361 so not to bad at all. |
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I am in US only Europe one I used was - https://www.bitshopper.de/ . It was to get a Europe compac model. It was a nice addition to my collections. One thing to keep in mind is when you look at Europe resellers the Vat/Import tax is pretty high so miners sell for higher. One thing you might look into is hosting center somewhere without the vat unless you have a extremely cheap or "free" electricity plan. A 20 percent or so vat can make it hard to ROI in some cases. Thanks for your reply. I have free electricity, so that isnt my problem. ¨ EDIT: seems like most of their products are out of stock. Not worth the investment at all, the 20% VAT is a lot and you would not ROI even if you have free electricity. Don't forget the bitcoin halving is coming soon too. Having is a way's off in mining terms, but yes it is coming. But i still dont consider it to be "soon". We wil get to a point it is though. OP is in a unique position. As he has "free" electricity paying the VAT might be best thing, its either that or pay power at hosting somewhere. But if he mines for free power and eventually sells it the miner prices are normally higher in Europe so he could come out decent on it. All depends on some things we cant speculate that far on. |
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Wow that is a much better calculator. It's so clear and easy to understand that it paints such a dark future ahead for mining even if I got this Avalon for $500. =) Was hoping to break even after 10 months or so but this seems to indicate that I wouldn't even come close to ever recovering my cost even if the difficulty is change to increase only by 7% and electricity rate at 8cents. Does this mean home mining is dead unless BTC and everyone who is mining is hoping that BTC will go back up past 500? Now we need a Avalon 7 that can do 5-7TH for the same power usage. =)
The thing is we had very low numbers for a very long time. Yes hash is growing... but so is value. BTC was at 230 for the longest time. Now it's u to 360. So there is some very good things going on. I don't think the 10 percent can last forever I think we will stabilize at a certain point and we see more normal dificulty but this is all speculation. And kinda getting off track. We will see how the weekend goes. As I said before still some things I would like to test (and will). But it's also been good as I've had time to let the miner run for a longer period of time and it does seem to be working very well. |
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Its this kind of people that give bitcoin a bad image in the public media. We should try our best to save new users into falling in their traps.
It's greed that get's them into this trap most likely. It sounds like he purchased a account... what do you think made him do this? I would guess money through sig campaign that seems to be decently popular in beginner. And I'm no fan of it. This is why we should suggest to new people to raise an account vs buying one. With this account I'm betting the person who has it now claims ownership ... and so does op (I'm guessing). So it put's admin in a bad spot having to look through evidence and see if they can find owner. I do feel bad OP lost money due to a scam. My suggestion to anyone is to raise the account vs buying. And if a deal sounds to good to be true chances are it is. |
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I know a guy who collects them and will pay 2x btc
for 1 btc on the coin. I am not sure if they go for 3x
as I am not a collector but PM me if you interested in
selling and we can find a good escrow. But whatever you
do dont touch the coin like the above posters mentioned
They have been going up. I wish I would have invested heavily on them. But a lot of it is condition. We don't know if coin has been sitting in a jar or if in a nice plastic case. If quality is good the grade makes all the difference. If he thinks it looks pretty good I would suggest him get it graded before selling. It could mean a lot more money. But if looks beat up yes selling without grade and just pics chances are is the way to go. |
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Search installing CGminer on linux there are many different sources that tell how to do this. That will be the main thing. But there are many guides on this. Most will be like me and not delt with ROSA if the standard guides are not working might check in a local board as ROSA is geared tword Russia.
After doing that search Avalon Nano. There is commands out there aswell. They made a windows GUI. But on linux it's more to install then pushing buttons.
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Is the cgminer-gekko version working on a device that is locked to mine at AntPool solo mode(forced)?
cgminer-gekko is for sidehacks compac sticks hooked to the usb.. it does nothing with the internal chip.. that still uses the cgminer that is compiled specific for it. unfortunately we cant update cgminer for that until we get the source code drivers. I thought we would see a lot more from bitmain. I figured a firmware update someday would show a lot. But they seem to have backed off R1's. I cant decide if they are just not focusing on them, or if they just wanted PR around time 21 inc was doing computer. They beat 21 in my mind with router with chip vs RPI with chip (i know it has some software... but it's kinda lame from what I've seen). I just can't figure out what they are doing with R1 currently. I'm happy with my 1 so if they want to stop and make it a cool low production miner... i'm ok with that. they seem to be putting all their effort into the S7 at the moment. I got a reply from them and they said R1 will be back just no exact date at the moment. The U3 will not be back  That is not a bad thing. You can get U3's right now from resellers like crazyguy. You had a high MOQ needed to buy U3's from bitmain. I think we can read into that no more U3's... which hopefully means one day U4's possibly.. we can hope at least. they seem to be putting all their effort into the S7 at the moment. I got a reply from them and they said R1 will be back just no exact date at the moment. The U3 will not be back |
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I got my Avalon 6 from Zoomhash. Just checked and it has finally in transit from California. I got the EVGA G2 1300W PSU used from Ebay for $100 shipped and it's already here before the Avalon. =( Right now I have a bunch of different PSU, was really impressed with the HP 1000w power supply until that issue. After I power it off and back on, it's quiet again but for how long I'm not sure. My buddy is offering to host 1 of the Avalon for me without any charges to Electricity for 3 months, so if the Avalon is good, I'm definitely considering a 2nd unit. Only issue with separating the unit is that I would need 1 more Raspberry PI. Is your daily BTC earning matching this calculator? Seems like mine is way below even though Slush pool Hash rate is matching what I'm expecting. https://alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculatorA RPI is prety small in the scheme of things. If the second one is what's stopping you I would just buy one. For the most part RPI still hold value since so many use them for projects. So if you move them together you can combine them. Or are good just to have in project pile I have one in mine, or a backup if needed. As far as pool I have not used slush for a long time F2 and Anpool both offer PPS. Look up on pool types and you will see some vary largly based on the pools luck. It should equal 100 over time.... but that does not stop it from having bad spells sometimes. I also like to use - https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator i like being able to adjust difficulty and see what it will be. More info to input but lot better ROI math. |
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Anything REALLY super cheap I could buy so I'm not so pathetic?!
You could buy a gekko compac stick for $25 and get like 10x the hash vs. that little usb stick you have. Still effectively 0 chance at solving a block, but a fun thing to mess around with. And those block erupters still have some value suprisingly. He could sell it on ebay, and upgrade to the compac. It seems a lot are still collecting block erupters and the different colors helped it I think. |
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Thanks guys, starting my rig after Christmas! Btw, the S5 would go in my furnace room and no one sleeps in the basement so it shouldn't be a big deal. Appreciate the help guys.
I doubt 1 S5 will make a huge difference, they do run hot and loud. It's just their nature. But if you grow I'm not sure if furnace room is greatest of room's. Depends on how well it's insulated i guess. But normally with gear you keep it far away from sources of heat. But again since talking 1.. can get away with it most likely. |
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Sure, i/we can help;
How much do you pay for your electricity?
Also where do you plan on putting the miners and how will you dump the heat?
I live in Ukraine. But I have an idea to come USA & start mining legally there. So, there are electricity prices in Ukraine: – <100 kW/h - 0,018 USD –100<usage<600 kW/h 0,032 USD – >600 kW/h 0,0592 USD I have a garrage (maybe rent more bigger placement). About you dump the heat, which ways are correct? Air conditioning? Ideally, if it's worth it, I plan to rent (buy) bigger place for work of mining station (50 000$ or 100 000$), hire staff (3-5 persons). I am intrested - what is profit in percentage per month, year. Wow. Okay huh. -No, no staff. -No, no AC, dump the heat outside. -In your Garage, will your neighbor complain if you generate noise about as loud as a train running in your backyard? -0.06USD/kWh is fine Look into S4/S5 Maybe S7. S5: 1155~1300ghs 580-640w Instant calculator; http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/bitcoin-mining-calculatorProjection calculator (where you have to guess what the overall diff increase will be to get mid term estimate on ROI; https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculatorGood to see I'm not the only one that thought it was crazy. I think it's sad when threads are like this. A person who likely could have had a successful personal bitcoin operation .... sees greed and want's to to 100 times bigger. I think a lot of these think they are the first one to think of going big like that.... they arent. I wonder if we will even see OP again I saw last login: Last Active: November 30, 2015, 08:46:37 PM Indeed. However mysteryo_X is not OP and it seem fine for him to Hijack the thread. So i'm okay with bouncing ideas, however crazy they might be. Just some questions were asked that should not be asked if you're planning to up scaling things. Start with a S3/S5, set it up, then figure upscalling. What the hell would employees do but stare at a couple dozens of miners with earplugs anyways  The only reason I can think of is his country Ukraine. Recent articles/news do not make it sound like a really great spot. I could be wrong as I have not been there I'm just judging by articles. But I would guess he would need security if he had a warehouse of miners there. But finding someone to invest there... will be hard to say the least. |
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20T at 1500 watt.... does not exist for sale. Even if "16nm 3D FinFET Bitcoin " were had by KNC this site would not have them.
You need a big stack of money to get KNC gear.. and we have not seen a working "16nm 3D FinFET Bitcoin" chip to my knowlege. They have talked about them but look at current gen consumer gear it's not near that efficiency.
So no... avoid site.
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The key to a joke is it has to be funny... I honestly have not figured out why the Mod's let you get away with so much in meta. You make clutter for them I think.
You find it funny to use massive font... then get told not to I'm guessing (don't know for sure). So you use tiny font no one can read. You are trolling meta... the most serious section of the forum.
I do think you are a ALT but I doubt it's any of those you listed. I'm surprised you didn't get one earlier.
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I'm still sitting waiting on my Avalon 6 to come. Meanwhile I got 1 of the HP 1000w Power Supply for free to power my 2 Antminer S3s, replacing a failed Sentex. These power supplies are quite small, I'm starting to wonder if I should get 2 of these to power my next Avalon when I'm ready for a 2nd one vs another EVGA G2 1300. The power supply is super quiet except for a little whining noise. They seem to be super cheap on Ebay for $20, the only issue is I can't readily find the X-adaptor card and PCI-e cables. I think the PCI-e cables are quite standard so that should be easier. Anyone have experience with these power supplies vs 2 x Dell 750w mentioned on this forum to compare noise, price and quality wise?
EDIT : NEVERMIND, I think I jinx myself after saying how quiet the HP Power supply is. It was whisper quiet for the first 6 hrs, and now it's fan it's on full force and is super loud for some reason. I'm only driving 1 Antminer with it and the room ambient temperature is actually 1 degrees lower than this morning. The Antminer is still only 42c so everything is running super cool, not sure what the deal is but does anyone know if this is normal and whether there HP power supply are known to be noisy? I guess I'll stick to the EVGA option. This is unbearable in the room next to my office.
Notlist3d and others, how's your Avalon 6 running? Still quite stable with low error rates?
Mine is still running really good. I'm enjoying the free heat still have not taken it to my mining area which I planned on doing before now. I will eventually I still have a few more things I want to test out. But I do think you jinx'ed yourself on the server PSU's. In general a lot of the server PSU's are good deals on price, and you can get great cables for them. But normally they are not known for being quiet. On waiting on the Avalon 6 who did you order from? |
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Start with faucets and grow from there. Don't dream too much at first.
Faucets don't do much good. Again they pay cents per hour. You lose money if you pay for electricity. Typing capatchas till your mind is num... no help to anyone. Learn a skill or something for down the road. You will be so much better off then just doing faucets. Most don't touch faucets anymore as it pay's so little it's worthless to most. |
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I see the forum has no sense of humor. That's cool.
Just because people don't like your flavor of "humor" doesn't mean they do not have a sense of humor. It may instead indicate they have a more developed sense of humor, such as enjoying flatulence humor. Now pull my finger! I get you have freedom to speak what you want. Honestly I'm fine with that I don't care as long as it's legal... go for it. Even trolls... I'm not a fan but some can be funny. I don't think you have reached a funny part. Posting huge font get in trouble... so go to tiny font that's unreadable. It is wasting mods time in my mind. Just use regular font size. |
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Thank you both Phil and Kano! Intersting to see some numbers behind it all. Been fun so far.
I'm still enjoying mining with these little guy's. Feels like the old day's in mining dealing with the sticks. So really quite fun I think personally.
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How much Phs does Avalon have for self-mining? Is Discus Fish ~ Avalon? Or Discus Fish ~ Bitmain?
F2pool has many miners both Avalon and bitmaintech gear miners there. Avalon is called cannan or something like that . They have a big self mining group on Kano.is F2pool has some very big miners that earn 2 blocks a day. I do not know what they use to mine with. Also F2 is PPS which some like a lot. Antpool can be to but you have to pick it there. And they are Canaan-Creative it was a while ago they did that, a lot still tend to call them Avalon. With it being a private company there is no way to really know mining operations. The closest we know is BlockC - http://www.blockc.co/ read front page it shows a 10 MW datacenter they talk about. Some time they should offer "We are Avalon's global master distributor, and we can offer miner hosting referrals in California, and other US Bitcoin datacenters." So could be some interesting things there once that starts happening. But I don't have a date when that happens. |
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Today was actually a negative day. Ended up being 3 blocks short of 144 so we are at -2% for yesterday
I'm in no sure what's causing it but I will take it. I really don't want to see near a 10 again. I like 5's better I don't think we will get that lucky though. Hopefully we do slow down some in next period. And if BTC could get closer to 400 would be nice. |
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