The hard-core Leftists want to deprecate private property ownership and move to collective ownership, but they don't/cannot think much beyond that.  The people who animate and empower the Leftist want corporate ownership with individuals renting everything (from them.)  They see the collectivists as useful idiots since the the path to their respective goals starts out the same.

Ultimately one of the 'selling points' of renting from corp/gov will be personal safety and security.  If private individuals and communities can maintain security on their own, this selling point is not as powerful and swaths of property will remain outside of their control.  Worse still, the quality of life will be better in such communities than in the factory-farm style 'human habitats' created for maximum profitability.  No amount of public relations will be able to hide this reality.  I suspect that this is one of the driving forces behind disarming the population.

The same basic principle is currently playing out on a global scale.  The Technocrats working toward a one-world corporate structured government cannot tolerate a functional non-aligned nation state (e.g., Russia or the U.S.) to exist because they will not be able to argue that the life they create for the peeps is the best that is possible.  The grass will look greener on the other side of the fence because it will be.  States like North Korea work around this problem as best they can by making a high fence which cannot be be seen through.

Not common, but it does happen rarely.



I don't see a lot of 'natural meat, milk, vegetables or fruit' kicking around.

I'll keep my 'brain force' unused on the shelf.  My mind is working fine and it looks like it's just a bunch of herbs.  I'm finally selling Bitcoin again after three years and am feeling kind of flush.  I'll keep buying various shit from https://www.Infowars.com to support their great work.  Last time I got some of Alex's dad's toothpaste which I actually like pretty well so I'll be buying more of it...even if Jones Sr. is/was a CIA agent or whatever.

You keep on drinking your fluoridated water and getting your 'vaccinations'.  Big Brother loves you, and he will love you even more as you get progressively more retarded and compliant.

Say it all you like.  It may or may not be true, but what you say about it has no weight at all because you are clearly an ignorant goober.

The CCW, like most, was responsible, level headed, and well trained.  That's why CCWs commit crime as the lowest rate of any group of people (including off-duty police so I've heard.)

The thing about guns is that is the existence of them and not the use of them which is responsible for 99% of the benefit.  That is absolutely the case in my area.

In this mall shooting case the shooter was forced to switch the phase of his operation and focus on his own suicide due to the presence of a CCW.  Or so the story goes.

As for 'Brain Force' I've not tried any yet.  It doesn't seem like they would hurt you any though.  Perhaps you should buy a bottle and try them out?  Might help, but I kind of doubt it to be honest.

Right.  They ran across a CCW which fucked up their show.  That's why almost all future psy-ops were staged at gun-free zones.  Mostly schools.  This also helps tug on the heartstrings of the sheep to see 'young people cut down at the beginning of their lifes' and all that baloney.  When you see footage of a couple of grieving fat women hugging on one another over and over on the nightly news then a few days later the president himself shows up to 'console the grieving community', it's a sure sign of one of these psychological operations.

My 'heart goes out' to the idiots who buy this BS.  Lulz.

Malls in this country consist of hallways with shops off of them.  They don't appear as a stadium.  The halls are also often filled with things which can be used as cover such as furniture, signs, booths, etc.  Also there are a lot of them and they are often severely underutilized and look like ghost ships a lot of the time even during business hours.

Next, there is the apparently little known phenomenon that even the mythical AR-15 does actually require re-loading.  It doesn't spray smart-lead infinitely without ammunition management as in the movies.  The user in this case seems to have fumbled with magazines.

Looks like as the kid was dicking around with ammo when he noticed that a CCW had drawn down on him.  One can presume that he intended to commit suicide from the get-go, and had no interest in being winged by Joe Citizen CCW and taken alive by the cops.  So he completed his 'killing spree' with a count of two down and switched focus to killing himself.

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Well, looks like this one was probably a psy-op as well.  I never really looked into it, but it's the same pattern of non-people and/or politically connected and/or actors who came back from the dead.

https://archive.org/details/OregonMallShootingHoax-TheClackamasMallrampageNowAProvenFake

This was one of the earlier stage renditions.  Perhaps the CCW meeting was an unhappy chance and the drill was terminated early.  Most of these things are staged in 'gun free zones' probably mostly to avoid chance encounters.  Roseburg years later was another instance where most of the 'victims' researched turned out to be un-people.  The Sheriff who was notably pro-2nd said as clearly as he was able that there would be a lot of fed money pouring into the community because of the 'event'.  Lots of the Roseburg witnesses were associated with one of those creepy and recently set up new-age churches.

It was a mall which gets around 10k visitors per day (in my minimal research and familiarity with reality.)  You don't think that everyone who visits a mall in a day group themselves into a human-ball of 10k souls do you?

City dwellers do seem to be becoming pretty deer-in-the-headlights but they still have a the vestiges of a self preservation instinct (which is one of the reasons why there was a CCW in the mix.)  Probably more somewhat together people in the Portland area where there is a tendency toward avoiding medication in the public water supply.  This means that in the real world most people will duck and scatter when they realize that they are under fire.   Again, an AR-15 does not fire smart-bullets so there are functional reasons why a shooter cannot get 100 clean kills with 40 rounds and no non-fatal hits.  When that happens it's a pretty sure sign you are seeing a staged psy-op.

An AR-15 is just another rifle.  I suspect that the idiots who think that an AR-15 some magical power to self-aim and shoot around corners have very limited hands-on experience with firearms and it is crystal clear that their brains have been highly affected by well funded public relations campaigns.

Any somewhat clear-thinking gun-grabber will readily admit that they are starting with 'assault rifles' simply for PR reasons, and intend to move on to everything which compromises the ability of the state to monopolize security.  I expect that most of them have really not thought beyond that and asked themselves 'why?' exactly.

AR-15's 'look scary' which is why they are a useful propaganda tools.  They don't have any magical powers at all.  Indeed, firearms in general are sub-optimal to cause significant casualties in crowded areas relative to other technologies.  The biggest 'problem' with guns is probably that they allow individuals to not need to rely on the state for protection.  This is a bigger issue for people in rural areas where law enforcement is spotty and absent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Town_Center_shooting

This one wasn't covered much...didn't help 'advance the narrative' I suppose.  Might be one of the few which wasn't a staged psy-op even.  Once or twice a year there probably is an genuine organic-ish crack-pot who goes on a rampage.

You snipped the important part:

 - pharma execs == morlock
 - useful idiots == eloi

If you have a well trained horse it will comply with your commands at the reigns and often enough will anticipate your desires on it's own.  Like stop and turn at the end of the row that was just plowed.

If you team a well trained horse with a poorly trained one, the well trained one will sometimes discipline the poorly behaving one on it's own.  Like reach over and bite it when it's doing something which is known by the trained one to be against the wishes of the master.  It doesn't even need to be trained to exhibit this behavior.

I'm not accusing you of being 'on the payroll' per-se.

I am saying that it is a big mistake to assume or take in faith without thinking that things are either 'all good' or 'all bad'.  There is nothing in logic which would preclude some modern medicine from being used for 'good' purposes and others to be used for 'bad' purposes.

Beyond that, 'good' and 'bad' are themselves subjective terms which mean different things to different people.  It can be argued that achieving and maintaining 'sustainable' human population levels is, for all intents and purposes, 'doing God's work'.  I can also be argued 'why not make a dime off doing God's work?'...Especially if one is endowed with a more sophisticated ethical framework than the average bear.

  "Only the small secrets need to be protected.
   The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity."

        --- Marshall McLuhan

We tried.  (shrug)

How would one 'straw-man' the conversation?

I have taken the time to listen to probably 100 doctors and scientists who have serious concerns about how vaccines are used.  They gain nothing but grief and ridicule for their efforts, though they probably do sometimes feel a sense of self-respect.

The main doctors and scientists I hear saying what you seem to parrot are either known to be in the pockets of big phrama (e.g., Paul Offit) or very well could be.  Their presentations tend to 'feel' to me very much like the countless other astro-turf marketing campaigns produced by PR firms.  Similarly, the sooth-troll posts on many many comments sections or boards.  Almost never to any of these people demonstrate even the slightest understanding of the science behind the concerns.  All they do is exactly what you do:  regurgitate some assurtions that 'studies prove blah, blah, blah.'  Sometimes they'll throw out a catchy word such at 'herd immunity' as if it demonstrates and actually understanding of anything.  It doesn't.  The principles of 'herd immunity' are rather easy to grasp, but mapping it into reality is quite messy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU

Former CBS reporter.  LOL!

Run along down to MartLaw...oops, I mean WalMart...and get your yearly flu vaccine like a good little eloi.  In fact you can take mine as well.

You are conflating things which don't match on a variety of fronts.  Deliberately or through force of habit I'm sure.  Eugenics pre-dated the national socialist worker's party rise to power in Germany, and they implemented it 1) in one of several distinct forms, and 2) with considerable support from pioneers overseas (esp, the United States.)

Eugenics does seek to promote the generation of 'better' humans or populations of them, but 'better' is not well defined and means different things to different people.  To the the nazis it seemed to mean blonde hair and blue eyes.  At least in their propaganda.  To others in a leadership position it could mean docile and feminized population with allergies which won't push back against leadership and will buy medications by the truck-load.

H.G. Wells was popular among the early eugenics crowd (and likely one himself.)  An idea which had great appeal was the differentiation of humans into several distinct classes which may eventually separate into different species.  He called them the Morlock and the Eloi.  I would call them the 'pharmaceutical company executive' and 'useful idiots' (e.g., criptix, sithara007, etc.)

Yup!  Classic example of Darwin's theory in action.

I don't recall the guy publishing on economics, but I doubt that he explored the unfortunate consequences in 'developed' countries where the so-called 'strong' are compelled to keep the weak alive through tax payer funded 'public health' programs.  From a social engineering perspective this is kind of handy though if one seeks to severely damage an entire society when one's toolkit can mostly just pick off individuals and their immediate progeny.

I'd differ with you on Wakefield.  His defenses seem to hold up as best I can see.  In particular his co-author had half-a-million to spend in court.  His case was nearly identical and the court overturned the panels decisions, restored the guy's medical credentials, and lambasted the panel for gross negligence.  Long story short, it looks to me a lot more like a case of trying to ruin a doctor/scientist who threatened the public health system's plans and/or the pharma industries profits.  Most of the other authors of the infamous study ducked out and continued on to normal careers in the medical/industrial complex as I read things.  That Wakefield's career trajectory differed is, if anything, a testament to his credibility as I see it.

I'm in complete agreement with the importance of making things transparent and removing the mechanisms which can lead to unscientific pressures.  I, and I think most 'anti-vaxers' are not against vaccines at all.  As long as they are not abused, and especially for profit motives, I don't have all that much against them.  I simply want this problem to be resolved BEFORE they are forced upon the population.  I don't see terrible epidemics in nations which use fewer vaccines than we do (which is nearly all of them) so I don't think there is an overriding need to vaccinate everyone for everything on public health grounds.  Let's just get it right on the oversight front first.

One argument which is at least logically sustainable is that we (the government) needs the private sector to maintain a large capacity in order to meet surprise demand (epidemic, biological warfare, etc.)  Because we are a supposedly 'capitalist democracy', we have to rely on the private sector, and in order to do that we need to give them product liability immunity and a lot of orders.  I call bullshit.  If it is that great a need, then the government itself should build and maintain the facilities in mothball state.  I would much rather see my tax dollars go to this than funding jihadist to destabilize the Middle East.

As for corporate greed vs. genocidal depopulation (or modification), we could easily have both simultaneously.  Or one which could be flipped to the other.  Although it is arguable to some looking at the general state of health here stateside, we've not seen a genocidal program yet.  My point of concern is that I don't trust some of these people (and very bad things could be accomplished with 99% of the _insiders_ not knowing what is going on) and I want there to be circuit breakers.  Transparency and good fail-safe oversight which keeps up with the technology would be sufficient for me.  Mandating a state-dictated vaccine regime is going the opposite direction.

Further, 'depopulation' is not the only threat, and this is particularly true as the pace of technology increases.  CRISPR technology, nano-technology, etc, are bound to continue forward.  I don't want some corp/gov bureaucrat deciding that it is best for the humanity under their charge to have their DNA be altered even if they have, or think they have a good and ethical reason to do so.  Especially with the likes of Elon Musk gingerly floating the idea that people maybe should be fitted with a neural lace in order to interface with the hive mind more efficiently (and thus beat back the evil AI in some nebulous way or some weirdo shit like that.)

(The neural lace idea reminds me of yet another (weak) hypothesis about metallic compounds injected, ingested, etc.  This one is not my own.  The idea is that they could be used as building blocks for structures such as a neural lace.)

Thanks for your critique.  It's cumbersome to document complex philosophical framework prior to each use of the word 'believe'.  I do try to use the word carefully and mostly stand by my use though I was not careful and it could be read from one of my sentences that I believe 'all' people in positions of power blah, blah, blah.  That was a mistake on my part.  Other than that I stand by my writings.

In logical analysis I use the method of testing the null hypothesis liberally when possible.  Basically, if a null hypothesis is absurd, I tend to assign high weight to a hypothesis and sometimes shift it to a 'fact' or 'near fact' which I can legitimately 'believe'.

The null hypothesis of hCG laced tetanus vaccines being developed is that they were not.  In this case the null hypothesis is that in spite of documented scientific literature and lack of denials of such a program, it never existed.  That nearly impossible to sustain so I 'believe' that such developments were almost certainly undertaken.  There is an outside possibility that the evidence for them was fabricated for some unknown reason, but that is very difficult to believe.  Especially in light of corroborating observations.  By far the simplest explanation was that such developments occurred, and there are abundant reasons to believe that there were means, motive, and opportunity to do just that.

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As for metals in the body interacting with electromagnetic radiation, like I said from the start it is a 'weak' hypothesis.  Just something I thought up to match against the observation that there seems to be a strong desire to inject them in to humans early and often.  Other hypothesis which are stronger exist including that big brother loves us all, wants the best for us, and will brow-beat the fuck out of anyone who goes against their will.

The observation that some metals (such as iron) tend to be better conductors than others (such as Al) can be weighted against the hypothesis but does not kill it.  In part this is because the hypothetical electromagnetic methods are not known and probably don't even exist at all (which directly applies to the strength of the hypothesis and which is why I consider it 'weak'.  It's filed away, however, because if evidence of electromagnetic population management operations do strengthen, so does the hypothesis about injections.  I would note that in the study of electromagnetism, it is noted that elemental forms of metals behave differently than those found as constituents of more complex molecules like hemoglobin.

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I tend to not spend much time on metaphysical hypothesis (e.g., Christ died to save sinners, or dark matter and alien consciousness control us all) for the same reason I don't drive my car into a bog where it is certain I'll get stuck.  The world is chalk full of more tangible areas of exploration where real progress can be made.

The systematic favoritism/discrimination related to 'evidence' (and more generally, theories/hypotheses) is a different matter all together.  If questioning the official dogma about, say, polio and our hero scientists involved with it leads to loss of employment and any 'evidence' against it is banished from 'scientific' journals, then I consider limited 'evidence' to be explainable by mechanisms outside of the hypothesis I seek to explore.

Due to this thread I ran across another presentation about polio from a person who I have developed a good deal of respect for (for reasons I won't go into in the interest of brevity.)  For those who would like to consider some information from something other than the medical/industrial complex's party line, here you go:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrb1XwI2_JA

Likely this will be labeled 'fake news' and banned by our rapidly expanding Chinese inspired censorship programs here in the U.S. pretty soon if we stay on the present trajectory.  So, see it while you can.