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3901  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists on: September 13, 2015, 03:03:53 PM
Feminism goes hand in hand with Liberalism. They are both mental illnesses. Nothing that mace and tasers can't fix.

That is a very fascist thing to say.

Would you want to live in a society where maces and tasers are used to "fix" everything?


Violence is rarely an answer. Mace and tasers are used in self defense, most of the time by women...

3rd wave feminism is fascism.

Are you analogizing self defense to fascism?


Analogizing? Is that a form of self sodomy?

My analogizing is a fact.


3902  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 87 dead after crane collapses at world’s holiest mosque in Mecca on: September 13, 2015, 03:01:39 PM
107 muslims Martyred till now Sad
It was a very sad incident in the history of Islam , Rip all the victims of Mecca..
There are very lucky seriously, they died in Holy Kaaba.

I don't know whether they consider deaths from building collapse as "martyrdom". Anyway, it was a sad incident. That said, I don't know why they allowed the worshipers inside the mosque, when the construction activity was ongoing.


Money.





You pay for doing worship ? it is just a question , Think before you speak dear.....
Tell me dear you pay when you worship.?


No my dear I do not. I guess this hotel cost nothing to build? Opening in 2017. Use google image to know what it is... If you don't already.

 Smiley




3903  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists on: September 13, 2015, 02:56:58 PM
Feminism goes hand in hand with Liberalism. They are both mental illnesses. Nothing that mace and tasers can't fix.

That is a very fascist thing to say.

Would you want to live in a society where maces and tasers are used to "fix" everything?


Violence is rarely an answer. Mace and tasers are used in self defense, most of the time by women...

3rd wave feminism is fascism.


3904  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: September 13, 2015, 02:48:16 PM
I love Trump, he's exposing the republican party for what it is, a bunch of old white, rich, racist, homophobes who care for nothing but how much money they have lining their pockets.


You have described billhillaryclinton perfectly...


Bill Clinton 2008 on Obama: A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee


http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/09/bill-clinton-2008-on-obama-a-few-years-ago-this-guy-would-have-been-getting-us-coffee/


3905  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 87 dead after crane collapses at world’s holiest mosque in Mecca on: September 13, 2015, 02:45:49 PM
107 muslims Martyred till now Sad
It was a very sad incident in the history of Islam , Rip all the victims of Mecca..
There are very lucky seriously, they died in Holy Kaaba.

I don't know whether they consider deaths from building collapse as "martyrdom". Anyway, it was a sad incident. That said, I don't know why they allowed the worshipers inside the mosque, when the construction activity was ongoing.


Money.


3906  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: September 13, 2015, 02:44:10 PM
Americans think Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton is about as trustworthy as Donald Trump. According to a new Quinnipiac University poll published Thursday, 57% of voters do not view Clinton as "honest and trustworthy," compared to the 37% who believe that Clinton is trustworthy.


Don't forget to include the original link.


Here is the link buddy https://www.google.com/search?q=Is+Hillary+Clinton+Trustworthy%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
check this out if you want and my apologies Smiley





The Ego is a myth created by the Patriarchy
Asking for apologies would annihilate my strong feminist belief and my infinite trust in hillary clit_on.
Thus, there is no need for my forgiveness...


 Smiley

3907  Other / Politics & Society / Re: University of California: The Right Not To Be Upset By The Speech Of Others. on: September 13, 2015, 02:34:05 PM
Can we get a TL:DR?

Universities, like businesses, are entitled to define the attitudes that are expressed and the discussions that are had as long as it doesn't discriminate against protected classes (i.e., race, age, etc.) If their students or customers don't like those attitudes or discussions they can go to a different university or business. University of California is not limiting people's rights, they're defining their culture.

No. 140 characters or less are for people who can't read or think. Everyone in this this forum can. Of course if one likes to form an opinion without reading anything... That's OK too...

 Smiley


Don't be an ass.

In the business world if you can't give someone the answer first they don't have the time to wait for the end of your story to find out. The reason most people on this forum don't respond to your rants is not because they're rants but because they're too damn long! This isn't novel writing, it's a forum thread - get to the point!

Ok...allow me 20 minutes to ready your position paper...

So your point, or question, is the bolded underlined section below?

When these students and faculty members are told that certain views about disabilities, about race or ethnicity, or (by obvious extension) about sexual orientation, sex, or religion have “no place at the University” — and violate others’ rights to be “free from” such “expressions” — will they feel free to openly discuss these topics? Or will they realize that they had best follow the orthodoxy?

My answer: Yes, they'll feel free to speak openly about these topics as long as their purpose of discussion is related to...

"...the course content, teaching methods, scholarship, or public commentary of an individual faculty member or the educational, political, artistic, or literary expression of students in classrooms and public forums that is protected by academic freedom or free speech principles.”

If students don't like these rules, or see them as stifling the education process, they can apply to and attend one of the other public or private schools in the country.

You say you're tenured faculty member - not at UC I presume otherwise you'd be sharing your concern with an audience that actually has a vested interest in the University of California policies (rather than a Bitcoin forum that has an audience that is largely international.) What's your faculty role?

I think a better question for you to ask yourself - if you hold so much contempt for these policies - is what are you doing to change what you think is an injustice or bad course of direction? What are you doing to affect change? What are you doing to cure "this cancer" as you call it?

I look forward to your thoughts, try to be concise.


  • Don't be an ass.
  • The reason most people on this forum don't respond to your rants is not because they're rants but because they're too damn long!
  • try to be concise.


1) Liberalism is a cancer eating everything, then itself
2) The author of this article, not me, is a tenured faculty member
3)  Smiley


3908  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wahhibi Fatwa Permits Sodomy For Jihad on: September 13, 2015, 02:23:11 PM
.

Obviously this is totally disgusting, but here it is right from the Cleric.  This is how bad some of the stuff is that people are being told from supposedly "Islamic Clerics."

Fatwa: Homosexuality may be forbidden in islam, but muslim brothers may engage in sodomy with each other if the goal is to stretch the anus opening so bomb materials can be later inserted for martyrdom operations.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e2f_1342196740#QCt6edXcYEHEAs0t.99

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/wahhabi-fatwa-permits-sodomy-to-widen-the-anus-as-a-means-to-jihad

****

This I find offensive.  Not the repeating of it, and not the use of the word "Islam."  But the actual advocacy of murder of innocent people in the name of a religion, by whatever means.


Can't they use a tool to stretch the anus opening? Why the need to engage in sodomy with each other?






These are mysteries that I do not know and cannot answer.  Might it somehow have a relation to the fact that Islam is Perfect and Man is Imperfect?




Hmm... But since Man already has the perfect tool for sodomy there is no need for another one?


3909  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: September 13, 2015, 02:19:48 PM



EPA Chief McCarthy blames Boston’s ‘worst winter ever’ on global warming – Suggests EPA regs will prevent future massive snowfalls






ADMINISTRATOR MCCARTHY: “So one of the new strategic priorities is climate change mitigation and adaptation, and it’s a good thing. It’s a long time coming, and we are very excited about it. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but I’m most importantly excited about it because this city just a short time ago was buried in snow for far too long. It was like the worst winter ever. So, you have to help me. We have to get busy on climate change because if it gets any worse our cars will be buried for months on end, and our subway system will never work, and I’ll have to hang out with my adult children far too often and for far too long in confined spaces. So, there is a reason we need to move forward.”


http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/09/09/epa-chief-mccarthy-blames-bostons-worst-winter-ever-on-global-warming/





I think it would be totally cool for propagandists such as McCarthy to enlist Hollywood in showing the Glory of the Government's Efforts to Stop Global Warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4H5tjx2Zpg


Those movies are proof the Jooooos are responsible for GlobalWarmingClimateChange for at least 4000 years...

 Wink


3910  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: September 13, 2015, 02:08:07 PM
Trump gives $100K to Boehner PAC

Donald Trump cut a $100,000 check to the Republican super PAC linked to House Speaker John Boehner, POLITICO has learned.

The Congressional Leadership Fund, which recently announced it would spend $13.5 million on House races before Election Day, will report the Trump check with the Federal Election Commission later Monday.

The fund raised $1.14 million in the third quarter of 2012 and has just under $6 million in the bank. An official with knowledge of CLF’s finances told PI to expect “millions more” when the super PAC files its pre-general election report on Oct. 25.

Also donating to the CLF in the third quarter were private-equity executive and major super PAC funder John Childs, who contributed $250,000. J. Christopher Reyes and M. Jude Reyes of Reyes Holdings contributed $100,000 each; Michael Kors CEO John Idol gave $50,000; and businessman and longtime Republican Party leader Ronald Gidwitz also contributed $25,000.

Earlier this year, Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson and his wife gave a combined $5 million to the super PAC, while Texas billionaire Bob Perry donated $1 million.

...http://www.politico.com/story/2012/10/trump-gives-100-000-to-boehner-super-pac-082414


Hmm.. I can see Trump using this check to shut up those who say he is not a conservative...

3911  Other / Politics & Society / Re: University of California: The Right Not To Be Upset By The Speech Of Others. on: September 13, 2015, 02:40:41 AM
Can we get a TL:DR?

Universities, like businesses, are entitled to define the attitudes that are expressed and the discussions that are had as long as it doesn't discriminate against protected classes (i.e., race, age, etc.) If their students or customers don't like those attitudes or discussions they can go to a different university or business. University of California is not limiting people's rights, they're defining their culture.


No. 140 characters or less are for people who can't read or think. Everyone in this this forum can. Of course if one likes to form an opinion without reading anything... That's OK too...

 Smiley

3912  Other / Politics & Society / University of California: The Right Not To Be Upset By The Speech Of Others. on: September 12, 2015, 05:44:11 PM



[...]
So let’s look closely at this:

1. The policy specifically condemns the expression of particular viewpoints as “intolerant,” as having “no place at the University of California,” and a violation of others’ rights to be “free from … expressions of intolerance.” For instance, articulating a view that people with various intellectual disabilities are incapable of various intellectual tasks, or people with various physical disabilities are incapable of various physical tasks, would be condemned by the authority of the University. (“University leaders will take all appropriate steps to implement the principles.”)

Articulating a view that there are cultural (or even biological) differences between ethnic and racial groups in various fields — condemned by the authority of the University, without regard to the arguments for or against the particular assertion. It’s just an up-front categorical rule; whatever you want to say along these lines, we don’t want to hear it, we don’t care what your arguments are, we’ll condemn it, and faculty and students have a right not to hear it. Even “depicting” such a view, whatever that means, is “intolerant” and “has no place at the University.”

Saying that illegal aliens (or noncitizens who are legally here) ought not be appointed to be, say, the student member of the Board of Regents — likewise condemned. And this isn’t limited to situations where the speaker is a participant in a selection decision, which the participants are obligated to make in a nondiscriminatory way. It equally applies to, say, a student newspaper that condemns the appointment of noncitizens to leadership positions. (For a recent controversy along these lines in a local city, which could equally arise at a university, see this story about two illegal aliens named as volunteers to city commissions in an L.A.-area town.)

And these are just examples. The policy obviously extends to the other categories traditionally joined to race, ethnicity, and disability, such as sex, sexual orientation, or religion.

Defending traditional exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage, by arguing that same-sex couples aren’t as good at raising children as opposite-sex couples? (I suspect that view is wrong, but we can only know it’s wrong if people are able to freely debate it.) Discussing purported differences in temperament, cognition, and more between men and women? Sharply criticizing certain religious denominations, and suggesting that people who are genuinely committed to those religious denominations are misguided or morally reprehensible?

Presumably all that, no less than statements about the disabled, is likewise “intolerance” that “has no place at the University of California” and that violates students’ and faculty members’ rights to be “free from … expression or intolerance.” You can’t “depict[] or articulat[e]” such ideas here — we’re a university!

2. The policy does say, “This statement of principles applies to attacks on individuals or groups and does not apply to the free exchange of ideas in keeping with the principles of academic freedom and free speech.” But what does that mean?

“Attacks on individuals or groups,” after all, often are free speech, especially recognizing that “attacks” is used here far beyond physical attacks (or threats of violence and speech that falls within the other narrow First Amendment exceptions). Certainly the third and fourth examples given in the “Addendum” are “free speech” under any existing legal definition of free speech, as is the second. Obviously the authors of the proposal have a much narrower view of “free speech” in mind. Likewise with “the free and open exchange of ideas.” The authors of the proposal love free and open exchange of ideas, until some ideas they dislike about, say, disabilities are expressed.

3. The policy also says, “This statement shall not be interpreted to prohibit conduct that is related to the course content, teaching methods, scholarship, or public commentary of an individual faculty member or the educational, political, artistic, or literary expression of students in classrooms and public forums that is protected by academic freedom or free speech principles.” But note the careful limitations in this language.

A student newspaper isn’t a “public forum” in the legal sense of the term. (“Public forum” is a legal term for government-owned property that has been opened for speech by the public at large, or by some objectively defined group of speakers on some defined topics. A newspaper isn’t open to every student to speak, and is instead subject to the editors’ editorial control, which is why students can’t sue to get access to writing in the pages of a newspaper under a “public forum” theory.)

A student group’s Web site isn’t a “public forum.” An e-mail exchange among a group of acquaintances about, say, supposed biological differences between racial groups isn’t in a “public forum” or “public commentary.” A conversation over lunch in the cafeteria isn’t public commentary or in a public forum. The “This statement shall not be interpreted …” proviso quite clearly doesn’t safeguard this sort of speech.

4. Now I’m a tenured faculty member, and I’ll keep on expressing my views despite this sort of policy. But what about undergraduates? Graduate students, who might be relying on the university for teaching assistant positions, progress in their departments, and more? Lecturers who don’t have tenure? Tenure-track faculty members who don’t yet have tenure?

When these students and faculty members are told that certain views about disabilities, about race or ethnicity, or (by obvious extension) about sexual orientation, sex, or religion have “no place at the University” — and violate others’ rights to be “free from” such “expressions” — will they feel free to openly discuss these topics? Or will they realize that they had best follow the orthodoxy?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/11/university-of-california-considering-recognizing-a-right-to-be-free-from-expressions-of-intolerance/


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Cancer. Spreading.

3913  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: September 12, 2015, 05:18:36 PM



EPA Chief McCarthy blames Boston’s ‘worst winter ever’ on global warming – Suggests EPA regs will prevent future massive snowfalls






ADMINISTRATOR MCCARTHY: “So one of the new strategic priorities is climate change mitigation and adaptation, and it’s a good thing. It’s a long time coming, and we are very excited about it. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but I’m most importantly excited about it because this city just a short time ago was buried in snow for far too long. It was like the worst winter ever. So, you have to help me. We have to get busy on climate change because if it gets any worse our cars will be buried for months on end, and our subway system will never work, and I’ll have to hang out with my adult children far too often and for far too long in confined spaces. So, there is a reason we need to move forward.”


http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/09/09/epa-chief-mccarthy-blames-bostons-worst-winter-ever-on-global-warming/



3914  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: September 12, 2015, 05:01:16 PM
Americans think Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton is about as trustworthy as Donald Trump. According to a new Quinnipiac University poll published Thursday, 57% of voters do not view Clinton as "honest and trustworthy," compared to the 37% who believe that Clinton is trustworthy.


Don't forget to include the original link.


3915  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: September 12, 2015, 04:59:42 PM


Donald Trump Interviews Himself In the Mirror





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2DgwPG7mAA




EDIT: a much more appropriate gif  Smiley






3916  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Muhammed in the Blockchain on: September 12, 2015, 01:54:35 PM
This is interesting, why didn't you tell us you were doing this back in January when you did it?

One thing that has left me questioning how the Islam religion operates globally is why no one from Islam (especially some well known Amam or lslamic leader) has never stood up to speak out agains terrorism conducted in the name of the religion. Plenty people say "Islam isn't violent" but no one takes a public stance or stands united with the rest of the world to fight these people who pervert this religion.


Why do you believe the OP did this?


3917  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Breaking News! European Refugee Crisis Resolved! on: September 12, 2015, 01:51:11 PM
Is Merkel on a sucide mission? This refugee crises has to be the end of Europe the way we know it. The Islamization of Europe is well underway, and its leaders cant see it.

She definitely is! People here are already pissed. Everyday we get brainwashed by media and press which is brought into line. People are clapping and welcoming the refugess in TV. This pictures go around the world and more and more wanna come.Just in this year we will see 1.000.000 refugess coming. The old number of 800.000 has been corrected.

But Merkel is getting confronted with people of her own party and from CSU party in bavaria.I doubt this will help.
The people here are not stupid. We see  and recognise the difference between public opinion and published opinion.
Politics tried to tell us that these are all well educated people, acedemics etc.Really? They don't have any passports or documents.So how can they know?And does Syria, Afghanistan, Irak ever had any big industry? No! So it's all Bullshit I say!
And most of them are all young men.Now guess what? If they get asylum they will bring their families.So we might see 2-4 million of them the next years here.

Even our migrants from 1960s and their second and third generations are pissed. The turks, Lebanese here say this is getting trouble.
It's about the masses who are coming.We will never be able to handle that.We already have parallel societies. No go areas in the big cities where even police is afraid to go.You go there and get called a potatoe!

Merkel and her fat Vice chancelor Gabriel are ruining the country.
I'm far away from being a racist, Nazi or whatever. But this is too much.Germany is running the risk to lose it's identity.And a big part of the society is thinking as I do. They are just afraid to go out because you will get called a Nazi!
Many Germans have lost their courage and pride to shout out what they are.
But what is boiling under the surface is going to explode one day if politics will not act immediately.Very very serious situation.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the german government is not really worried that under all these refugees might be also ISIS warriors or other sleepers. How crazy is that please! They're flooding in completely unregistered.No documents. They can make any bullshit story and our police say they have to believe them.Ridicolous!


Yep.

Good luck!


3918  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: September 12, 2015, 01:48:04 PM
Yes, she is very trustworthy but most of the younger folks don't know the real life - yet grow up and look again.  She worked 35 years as a rep and also she founded the children left behind long ago. she started it and she was an investigator in watergate and also done her duty as first lady.



This week’s WaPo mystery: What, exactly, are Hillary’s accomplishments?




To be fair, the Washington Post’s Karen Tumulty doesn’t frame her story on the struggle to find any Hillary Clinton accomplishments as a mystery. The headline reads, “Hillary Clinton tries to show that her record is more than just talk,” and Tumulty approaches it as a race to see whether Hillary can define herself before her political foes do. Having framed it that way, Tumulty notes that voters can’t name any achievements for Hillary other than winning two Senate elections and becoming a State Department frequent flier. And then, Tumulty proceeds to list … no accomplishments at all:

In polls and focus groups, Republicans are sensing a vulnerability in Clinton’s record that could compound the difficulties she is facing with the controversy over her decision as secretary of state to use a private e-mail account and server rather than a government one.

When Bloomberg News posed the question in May to a focus group of 10 Iowa Democrats, they praised Clinton for strength, experience and competence but could not recall a single thing she had done.

Some Democrats say that they have only a vague sense of Clinton’s actual accomplishments. Liberal activist Arnie Arnesen was the Democratic nominee for New Hampshire governor in 1992, and she often crossed paths with the Clintons as Bill Clinton made his first bid for the White House. But all these years later, Arnesen said: “I don’t really know Hillary. I know Hillary under Clinton. I know Hillary under Obama. And in the Senate she was a workhorse, not a show horse. What does that mean? It means she didn’t take a leadership role.”



Tumulty actually does list a couple of claims from Hillary and her supporters of accomplishments. Unfortunately, they both belong to others. Most recently, Hillary took credit for agreeing to a key concession that allowed for the deal with Iran, which was to accept the Iranian production of nuclear fuel. This concession took place over three years ago, which means that the concession didn’t actually accomplish much at the time. Barack Obama and John Kerry had to give up a lot more, including anytime-anywhere inspections to ensure that those limits were respected, especially at military sites. Besides, the Iran deal has the support of a whopping 21% of the American public, so hitching one’s wagon to that star has some very obvious problems.

In other words, Hillary wants to claim a piece of someone else’s work. The same is true of the only other potential “achievement” Hillary and her team have claimed, an expansion of health insurance access for children during Bill Clinton’s presidency. That, Tumulty explains, was actually the work of two Senators, and she initially helped Bill shoot it down:

Yet some of what she touts as accomplishments have been disputed. In a five-minute video released on the eve of her campaign’s formal launch in June, she suggested that she was the force behind the expansion of health coverage to children in the 1990s.

After her push for universal health care failed, she said in the video, “I was really disappointed. But you have to get up off the floor and you keep fighting. So I got to thinking, ‘Let’s see what we can do to help kids.’ ”

In fact, however, that legislation was created and driven by two senators, Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). At one point, then-President Bill Clinton turned against it, fearing that it would destroy a balanced-budget deal, and Hillary Clinton defended her husband, saying, “He had to safeguard the budget proposal.”



It was only later, when Kennedy and Hatch brought the bill back up, that Hillary lobbied for its passage. That’s not an “achievement” as much as it is a demonstration of influence on her husband during his presidency. That may be laudable, but if those two stolen moments are all Team Hillary can provide, then it turns this question into a real mystery.

Here’s another mystery on top of that. Given the lack of accomplishment — and all of the scandal surrounding Hillary’s time at State — why do her supporters value “experience” over agreement on issues more than other Democrats or Republicans in general?

CNN asked about the importance of on-the-job experience in determining a vote. In the Republican sample, it fell far short in importance than agreeing on issues, 23/65, and slightly worse among supporters of Donald Trump, 21/71 — even though Trump’s positions on issues are significantly different than the conservative agenda. For Democrats in general, experience takes a more significant position, 40/45, and for Hillary supporters, it’s the main consideration at 58/32.

If those numbers were reversed, their support would make sense. As it is, though, the support for Hillary Clinton is every bit as mysterious as her list of achievements.


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/11/this-weeks-wapo-mystery-what-exactly-are-hillarys-accomplishments/


3919  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 87 dead after crane collapses at world’s holiest mosque in Mecca on: September 12, 2015, 01:36:52 PM
HAPPY PATRIOT DAY.
NOTHING TO SEE HERE. PLEASE RETURN HOME TO YOUR GOATS.

God bless motherf**king America. It's payback time.



What have i missed? The crane was from an American construction company or what? Where America is involved in this? People died, and it is sad. They weren't from ISIS or other organization so we can cheer their death.


The crane was owned by the Bin Laden family.

The crane belongs to a German crane company operated by the Bin Laden family’s consortium, who are heading the expansion of the Holy Mosque.

Saudi BinLaden Group was founded by Osama’s Bin Laden’s billionaire father Mohammed and the sprawling construction conglomerate runs a large amount of major building contracts in the Sunni kingdom.

Pictures taken before the disaster show the crane being struck by a bolt of lightning and authorities are in little doubt extreme weather was to blame.

The crane fell into the east side of the mosque, with the top section of the structure crashing into the roof.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3231117/At-62-people-dead-crane-collapses-Grand-Mosque-Mecca.html


3920  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: September 12, 2015, 01:30:39 PM



Will Hillary Clinton’s Emails Burn the White House?



Counterintelligence specialists suspect that the former secretary of state wasn’t the only member of the Obama administration emailing secrets around.
Hillary Clinton’s email problems are already causing headaches for her presidential campaign. But within American counterintelligence circles, there’s a mounting sense that the former secretary of state may not be the only Obama administration official in trouble. This is a scandal that has the potential to spread to the White House, as well.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation can be expected to be tight-lipped, especially because this highly sensitive case is being handled by counterintelligence experts from Bureau headquarters a few blocks down Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House, not by the FBI’s Washington Field Office. That will ensure this investigation gets the needed “big picture” view, since even senior FBI agents at any given field office may only have a partial look at complex counterintelligence cases.

And this most certainly is a counterintelligence matter. There’s a widely held belief among American counterspies that foreign intelligence agencies had to be reading the emails on Hillary’s private server, particularly since it was wholly unencrypted for months. “I’d fire my staff if they weren’t getting all this,” explained one veteran Department of Defense counterintelligence official, adding: “I’d hate to be the guy in Moscow or Beijing right now who had to explain why they didn’t have all of Hillary’s email.” Given the widespread hacking that has plagued the State Department, the Pentagon, and even the White House during Obama’s presidency, senior counterintelligence officials are assuming the worst about what the Russians and Chinese know.

EmailGate has barely touched the White House directly, although it’s clear that some senior administration officials beyond the State Department were aware of Hillary’s unorthodox email and server habits, given how widely some of the emails from Clinton and her staff were forwarded around the Beltway. Obama’s inner circle may not be off-limits to the FBI for long, however, particularly since the slipshod security practices of certain senior White House officials have been a topic of discussion in the Intelligence Community for years.

Hillary Clinton was far from the only senior Obama appointee to play fast and loose with classified materials, according to Intelligence Community insiders. While most counterspies agree that Hillary’s practices—especially using her own server and having her staffers place classified information into unclassified emails, in violation of Federal law—were especially egregious, any broad-brush investigation into security matters are likely to turn up other suspects, they maintain.

“The whole administration is filled with people who can’t shoot straight when it comes to classified,” an Intelligence Community official explained to me this week. Three U.S. officials suggested that Susan Rice, the National Security Adviser, might be at particular risk if a classified information probe goes wide. But it should be noted that Rice has made all sorts of enemies on the security establishment for her prickly demeanor, use of coarse language, and strategic missteps.

However, Clinton should take no comfort from the fact that others may be in trouble with the FBI too. Just how many of her “unclassified” emails were actually classified is a matter of dispute that will take months for the FBI to resolve with assistance from the State Department and Intelligence Community. The current figure bandied about, that something like 300 of the emails scanned to date by investigators contained information that should have been marked as classified, is somewhat notional at this point, not least because the Intelligence Community has yet to weigh in on most of them.

Spy agencies typically take a harder line on classification than the State Department does, including a tendency to retroactively mark as classified mundane things—for instance press reports that comment on security matters can be deemed secret—that other, less secrecy-prone agencies might not. That said, there’s little doubt that our intelligence agencies fear that the compromise engendered by Hillary’s email slipshod practices was significant.

Although it will be months before intelligence agencies have reviewed all Clinton emails, counterintelligence officials expect that the true number of classified emails on Hillary’s servers is at least many hundreds and perhaps thousands, based on the samplings seen to date.

Excuses that most of the classified emails examined to date are considered Confidential, which is the lowest level, cut no ice with many insiders. Although the compromise of information at that level is less damaging than the loss of Secret—or worse Top Secret—information, it is still a crime that’s taken seriously by counterintelligence professionals. Most of the classified emails that Hillary and her staff seem to have compromised dealt with diplomatic discussions, which is a grave indiscretion as far as diplomats worldwide are concerned.

“Of course they knew what they were doing, it’s a clear as day from the emails,” opined one senior official who is close to the investigation. “I’m a Democrat and this makes me sick. They were fully aware of what they were up to, and the Bureau knows it.” That Hillary and her staff at Foggy Bottom were wittingly involved in a scheme to place classified information into ostensibly unclassified emails to reside on Clinton’s personal, private server is the belief of every investigator and counterintelligence official I’ve spoken with recently, and all were at pains to maintain that this misconduct was felonious.

It’s clear that many people inside the State Department had to be aware, at least to some degree, of what Clinton and her inner staff were engaged in. How far that knowledge went is a key question that the FBI is examining. The name Patrick Kennedy pops up frequently. A controversial character, Kennedy is the State Department’s undersecretary for management (hence his Foggy Bottom nickname “M”). A longtime Clinton protégé, Kennedy is believed by many to be the key to this case, since his sign-off likely would have been needed for some of Clinton’s unorthodox arrangements.

Described by more than one insider as “the State Department’s J. Edgar Hoover,” Kennedy is a figure of mystery to many. “I’d put talking to him near the top of my list,” explained a retired senior FBI official, a career counterintelligence agent. “Would Kennedy go down for Hillary? Maybe,” he added, “But will some GS [General Schedule] or FSO [Foreign Service Officer],” meaning a career State Department employee, “go down for Hillary? I doubt it. The FBI will get someone to talk, we always do.”

Where the FBI’s investigation of EmailGate is headed is anybody’s guess. The Clintons do have a long history of hanging tough and outlasting scandals. Obama’s Department of Justice may be able to quash prosecutions, no matter what the FBI finds. But it cannot stifle Congress. And more than one committee is interested in Hillary’s emails, far beyond the Benghazi investigation. Congressional investigators are looking into issues beyond classification, to include possible dirty financial deals orchestrated by Hillary when she was at Foggy Bottom, to benefit her husband and the Clinton Foundation.

“This was about a lot more than just some classified emails,” a senior Capitol Hill staffer told me, “and we’ll get to the bottom of it. But we’re happy to let the FBI do the heavy lifting for right now.” Although many on Capitol Hill are frustrated by a lack of information sharing by the White House about EmailGate, and many other matters, “This is different,” the staffer opined, “now the media won’t let go—and the Bureau definitely won’t. I wouldn’t want to be Hillary right now.”

Another cause for concern is the rising number of questions emanating from even generally pro-Clinton media outlets. Now that the Washington Post has reported that Hillary indeed both sent and received classified information on her personal account—despite her protestations that she did no such thing—this is not a scandal that sufficient incantations of Vast Right Wing Conspiracies can make disappear. While Clinton loyalists may defend Hillary to the end, that may be cold comfort given what any rigorous investigation of EmailGate might turn up.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/02/will-hillary-clinton-s-emails-burn-the-white-house.html








Done and done: Justice Dept says Clinton could erase emails if she liked






Prepare to be shocked. Regardless of what turns up in Hillary Clinton’s emails in the weeks and months to come, you won’t need to worry about the Justice Department coming along and dragging the former Secretary of State off in handcuffs. Deleting all of those emails was, in the opinion of the nation’s top cops, absolutely fine and dandy. (ABC News)

The Justice Department is affirming that former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had the right to delete personal emails from her private server.

Government lawyers made the assertion in a court filing this week in a public records lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch, an advocacy group. The legal filing says “there is no question” that Clinton could have deleted personal emails without agency supervision and could have done so even if she’d been using a government server.



Some additional coverage at Buzzfeed turns up this nugget. (Emphasis added)

The back-and-forth over the preservation order, as part of a narrow FOIA case, does not address the classification issues that still command sustained political coverage about Clinton.

But in terms of the email submission itself, the lawyers argue that, without reason to believe that Clinton was not honest and forthcoming in selecting and turning over her federal records, no government agency would be required to “recover deleted material based on unfounded speculation that responsive information had been deleted.” Such was the case with Clinton, the lawyers say.




That’s a fairly amazing argument summed up in only a few words. On the one hand they offer a nod to the fact that Clinton repeatedly lied about sending and receiving classified data on this account. (Classified? Why would you think that satellite photos of North Korean nuclear installations were classified?) But in the very next breath they argue that retention of all of the emails to sort out what was or wasn’t of value was not required because there was no reason to believe that Clinton was not honest and forthcoming.

The mind doth boggle.

Say… I wonder if the IRS would be willing to allow me to go through all of my tax documents, decide which ones were “relevant” and just toss the rest in the old burn barrel? I mean, there’s no reason to think I wasn’t being honest and forthcoming, so pesky little details such as those should be left to my discretion. Even more to the point, if something of interest to the police takes place on my property and it’s captured by my security cameras, I suppose I can decide which footage is relevant and worthy of retention. This is truly wild.

I’m sure it’s just my suspicious nature cropping up again, but doesn’t it seem like there are some folks in the Justice Department who prefer to take a decidedly hands off approach when it comes to Clinton? It was only this week when we discovered that they had been handed a case which seemed to clearly argue that Clinton’s aide Huma Abedin was going down for embezzlement, but they decided that prosecuting her would be more trouble than it was worth. One has to wonder just how far Clinton can push her luck before their interests are roused to the point of taking action.


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/12/done-and-done-justice-dept-says-clinton-could-erase-emails-if-she-liked/





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